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No I'm not surprised. It's same her in Sweden with photomagazines. I usually buy the english photomagazine "Digital Photo" but the Swedish version and they have already reviewed the Nikon D3, D300, D700 and D90. But not the 1D MkIII, 1Ds MkIII and the 50D.

Also here in Sweden, Nikon has a far more aggressive advertising then Canon.

Daniel
 
Stollen123 said:
today Nikon D90 is on dpreview..anyone surpeised ??!!
as most of the times we see Nikon reviews before canon reviews on
Dpreview
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Even when models are announced on the same day, they do not go into production or become available at the same time. D90 and 50D were announced on the same day, but I think the D90 was available for several weeks sooner. In the meantime there is a fairly thorough 50D preview available based on a pre-production model.

Even if dpreview sits on their hands wrt Canon models, so what?
 
I do not feel that there is an more aggresive Nikon advertising in sweden, how many commercials on tv do you see about nikon? Canon at least runs TV-commecials which is much broader than adds and magazines.

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Not the panacea many people thought.

I too believe DPR (at least Phil) has a bias toward Nikon. If I remember correctly he actually admitted that he has a "soft spot" for Nikon in a review a few years back but IMO they really stretched to put as much of a positive spin on this review as possible.

The D90 is a good camera and very capable but many were expecting a D300 on the cheap of which it is not. Even Nikon is not that stupid to compromise sales of their flagship models. Maybe they've learned more from Canon than just what type and size a makes the best sensor.

Bob
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We received a production D90 before we got a production 50D, it's that simple.

Richard - dpreview.com
 
downplaying raw detail levels vs. the 450D IMO as usual.

i'm sure if the cams had been swapped they wouldve ragged more on the raw output from the 450D being terribly soft compared to the vastly superior nikon.
Stollen123 said:
today Nikon D90 is on dpreview..anyone surpeised ??!!

as most of the times we see Nikon reviews before canon reviews on
Dpreview
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bronxbombers said:
i'm sure if the cams had been swapped they wouldve ragged more on the
raw output from the 450D being terribly soft compared to the vastly
superior nikon.
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Lol.. :) ..probably they would have.

Here´s a guy saying that dpreview mixed up the 450D JPEG´s vs RAW´s in the review.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=29681711

And this time It is probably because they got a D90 before a 50D for review.
But in the past, this had nothing to do with it..

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I agree there is a bias towards Nikon on dpreview. Their D90 review did not consider much different between its and 450D in IQ and even went on to make a bigger fuss about 450D weaker AA producing more moire as bit of a downer. In previous reviews of Pentax weaker AA was the rave, well it is unless you are going against Nikon. There was about as much different between D90 and 450D as there are between D90 and D300. I thought 450D hold just about the same details at base ISO RAW as D300 and both trumped D90. As for blowing out highlight and unreliable metering concerning D90, well this is also true with D300. Maybe different reviewer had different takes?
rwbaron said:
I too believe DPR (at least Phil) has a bias toward Nikon. If I
remember correctly he actually admitted that he has a "soft spot" for
Nikon in a review a few years back but IMO they really stretched to
put as much of a positive spin on this review as possible.

The D90 is a good camera and very capable but many were expecting a
D300 on the cheap of which it is not. Even Nikon is not that stupid
to compromise sales of their flagship models. Maybe they've learned
more from Canon than just what type and size a makes the best sensor.

Bob
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and sends new cameras faster to tests ...

But tests are quite boring if you are not buying anything in near future - just took 10 sec to view the last page of D90 review. Good camera - like all other good cameras from Canon or Nikon.

Has anyone seen a "bad " Canon or Nikon DSLR camera lately. They are all better than we ( me!) as photographers...

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Taikonaut said:
I agree there is a bias towards Nikon on dpreview.
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It's always been the case here that the fans of a company getting not-so-rave reviews of their products claim bias. When Nikon lagged, it was the Nikon fans shouting bias, but now that their products are up to or surpassing Canon's, the Canon fans are feeling a little insecure. The truth is that Nikon have released a raft of spectacular products that are getting rave reviews from sites and end-users, while Canon have faltered somewhat of late, with the 1DIII fiasco and ongoing complaints about endless minor upgrades and feature crippling.

In your case, you are so blinded that it wouldn't matter how many people tell you you're wrong and post photos to prove it, you still dispute it, or run away....

If you go back 5 years you'll find it was the Nikon fans claiming pro-Canon bias at dpreview. And Oly and Pentax fans feel the same as well on occasion. Here's a couple of examples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4596568
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=25418778

But, just as was the case then, there is no bias now. It's just that the truth is often hard to hear, especially for blind fanboys.
Taikonaut said:
...went on to make a bigger fuss about 450D weaker AA producing more
moire as bit of a downer. In previous reviews of Pentax weaker AA was
the rave, well it is unless you are going against Nikon.
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If you read the D70 review:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD70/page17.asp

You'll see Nikon got criticized by Phil for having a weak AA filter causing Moiré [see the conclusion].

There are pros and cons to a weak AA filter. Sharpness is the pro, but moiré is the tradeoff. After being criticized for the D70, Nikon have had stronger AA filters ever since. Whether you agree with their decision depends on how affected you are by the problem, I guess.
 
I would have to say I am a casual user of this site and by chance a convert to Canon DSLR from a Nikon P&S. That was almost a random thing as the 20D was my first SLR, I have no religion on it, just a choice I happen to make. But I remember when I first started reading the Canon forums all the Nikon people would come and rant about the pro- Canon slant o fthe site. It's all perception as people feel they are being slighted when they don't see an immediate feedback on their platform of choice. I think that part of it is people want to be reassurred that they made the best choice and anyone who didn't make the same choice must be fools.

I will say I was amused to discover that "professionals" are just as prone to abusive and at times childish behavior in posting in these forums as I had seen in my computer user forums from my past involvement in computer user groups.
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Not.
Now go back to your forum fanboy!
Tuvok said:
Taikonaut said:
I agree there is a bias towards Nikon on dpreview.
Click to expand...
It's always been the case here that the fans of a company getting
not-so-rave reviews of their products claim bias. When Nikon lagged,
it was the Nikon fans shouting bias, but now that their products are
up to or surpassing Canon's, the Canon fans are feeling a little
insecure. The truth is that Nikon have released a raft of spectacular
products that are getting rave reviews from sites and end-users,
while Canon have faltered somewhat of late, with the 1DIII fiasco and
ongoing complaints about endless minor upgrades and feature crippling.

In your case, you are so blinded that it wouldn't matter how many
people tell you you're wrong and post photos to prove it, you still
dispute it, or run away....

If you go back 5 years you'll find it was the Nikon fans claiming
pro-Canon bias at dpreview. And Oly and Pentax fans feel the same as
well on occasion. Here's a couple of examples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4596568
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=25418778

But, just as was the case then, there is no bias now. It's just that
the truth is often hard to hear, especially for blind fanboys.
Tuvok said:
...went on to make a bigger fuss about 450D weaker AA producing more
moire as bit of a downer. In previous reviews of Pentax weaker AA was
the rave, well it is unless you are going against Nikon.
Click to expand...
If you read the D70 review:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD70/page17.asp

You'll see Nikon got criticized by Phil for having a weak AA filter
causing Moiré [see the conclusion].

There are pros and cons to a weak AA filter. Sharpness is the pro,
but moiré is the tradeoff. After being criticized for the D70, Nikon
have had stronger AA filters ever since. Whether you agree with their
decision depends on how affected you are by the problem, I guess.
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Tuvok said:
Taikonaut said:
I agree there is a bias towards Nikon on dpreview.
Click to expand...
It's always been the case here that the fans of a company getting
not-so-rave reviews of their products claim bias. When Nikon lagged,
it was the Nikon fans shouting bias, but now that their products are
up to or surpassing Canon's, the Canon fans are feeling a little
insecure. The truth is that Nikon have released a raft of spectacular
products that are getting rave reviews from sites and end-users,
while Canon have faltered somewhat of late, with the 1DIII fiasco and
ongoing complaints about endless minor upgrades and feature crippling.
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No discussion of "why D90 crippled" in Nikon forums ???
Tuvok said:
In your case, you are so blinded that it wouldn't matter how many
people tell you you're wrong and post photos to prove it, you still
dispute it, or run away....
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I think we should take these reviews as what they are, source of information. Here in dpreview we get all the pics and each of us can look and judge - using whatever color glasses one wish.
Tuvok said:
If you go back 5 years you'll find it was the Nikon fans claiming
pro-Canon bias at dpreview. And Oly and Pentax fans feel the same as
well on occasion. Here's a couple of examples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4596568
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=25418778

But, just as was the case then, there is no bias now. It's just that
the truth is often hard to hear, especially for blind fanboys.
Tuvok said:
...went on to make a bigger fuss about 450D weaker AA producing more
moire as bit of a downer. In previous reviews of Pentax weaker AA was
the rave, well it is unless you are going against Nikon.
Click to expand...
If you read the D70 review:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD70/page17.asp

You'll see Nikon got criticized by Phil for having a weak AA filter
causing Moiré [see the conclusion].

There are pros and cons to a weak AA filter. Sharpness is the pro,
but moiré is the tradeoff. After being criticized for the D70, Nikon
have had stronger AA filters ever since. Whether you agree with their
decision depends on how affected you are by the problem, I guess.
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Can anybody clarify to me the review statement "think back to the JPEG and there was also a hint of color moiré (the frequency of the pattern on the bottle interfering with the spacial frequency of the photosites on the sensor - precisely what an AA filter aims to reduce)." I tried to look the 450D JPEG but could not find any moire there - can anybody pinpoint to me where to look ?

And just after the moire explanation statement "And that appears to be the only difference." I just wonder what this is ment to say. Any ideas ?
 
And could not find it on the 450D shot provided. I did think it was odd that the 450D looked very very similar to the D300 as to detail/pixel but on Nikon it was the result of a higher quality and more expensive AA filter and ont he 450D it caused some invisible Moire. A small bit on the resolution chart but that is all.

Personally, I pixel pitch has gotten tighter and tighter, the need for the AA filter is going down quickly.

Steven

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Not a bash on this site at all. I am just curious. Is it because of the autofocus problems? It has been out for months and supposedly the AF issue was dealt with.

I don't much care which reviews come out first. It will be a while before I get a new body but I enjoy reading them.
great site, great reviews, Thanks for the work,

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