Does $$equipment get you mugged???

..tell you kids "guns are normal, guns are good, they are dangerous
but a perfectly normal part of life. i walk around with a lethal
weapon on me every day and that's how a normal society works"
Warren,

I was a cop for 14 years so yes, they were a part of my everyday life. I walked around with a "lethal weapon on me everyday" because that's what MY normal day was. My choice was to expose them to it in order to remove the curiosity factor. It's just one approach I took and it worked for me.
i dont think i wanna live in a place like that... i dont have a gun
(thank GOD) and feel perfectly safe, but then i dont know anyone
who owns a gun, or feel anyone is about to break in and attack me,
and thats because guns are NOT a normal part of the society i live
in.
I'm glad you don't live in a bad area and that you feel perfectly safe. It's also great that none of your friends feel threatened by a break in or attack. I would assume then, that you and nobody that you knows owns an alarm system . I guess that wouldn't make sense if one had no fear of a break in....right ??
perhaps if i lived in some anarchic, crime-ridden ghetto where
murders were part of everyday life... well then i guess i'd move
somewhere else. i just cant imagine going everywhere packing heat.
scary stuff.
Well, that's ripe Warren but what about the millions of people that don't have the means to escape to your little Camelot. I guess you're either going to deny them the right to protect themselves or else you intend to move as many of them in with you as possible. You said, "scary stuff". Yep, it sure is but you seem to have the ability to hide in your safe house and dictate to those in less desireable areas.
if people have a domestic argument or whatever without a firearm
present, there is a faaaar lower risk of serious harm being done to
each other.
Well, I guess we can all assume that you've never seen a woman that was battered beyond recognition with a ball bat and this happens FAR more often than shootings. Let's outlaw baseball !!
this is the 21st century you know, crime has always been around,
but we seem hellbent on finding ways of arming EVERYONE against
each other. it's hardly reducing crime and murder... sheesh.
Wrong. In every area that concealed carry is permitted, crime has either remained the same or gone down.
i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
Glad you didn't...
 
Maybe this is a silly question...

I was just wondering how big a problem getting mugged is for those
of you that take this expensive gear out in public. I find myself
thinking about it as I contemplate doing some nature, night
cityscapes, street shots, beach/boardwalk, etc.

Is this a big problem? Any suggestions as to what to do to
minimize the possibility, other than keeping as low a profile as
possible (which of course is hard to do with a 70-200/f2.8 hanging
off a 1D)?

Should I get a shirt that says "FBI/ATF" on it? :)

Thanks,
--
Mike P.
I may be an old fool but I like to involve the people that I make pictures of by using my old crown graphic and the biggest tripod I have. I hate candid photography and walking up to gangs with this old camera and asking for portraits "in the hood" honours them. I use my M645 with a waist lever finder and a tripod works almost as well. I make friends easily and I only take a few bucks and no credit cards and I dress in my favorite outfit. Work pants, a work shirt and rubber sole walking shoes. I have a 40 year old Yashica Lynx that has a very sharp lens and have the images made into digital scans from 100 speed film. I have an old wooden 8x10 view and you can stop traffic with that thing.

If you look scared or out of place you will be attacked any place you go. I have walked the streets of New York wearing a suit and tie taking photos and no one thought I was a tourist. I always leave my camera bag center stage at an "event". In plain view and have not had a problem for 35 years.

Of course I am 6 feet and 260 pounds so I probably do not look like a "victim". I do not take more equipment than I can afford to lose.
--
charleslmims
 
"if that is the case why does the US COnstitution provide otherwise" lol this is a funny comment, have you ever read or studied the US COnstitution, if so you would notice that is close to 300 years old now, and had a few questionable thigns in it that had to be fixed over time, for instance all men are created equal, hmm what about women, hmm what about blacks. Times change deal with it. The 2nd amendment was proposed to protect against tyranny from the King of England, i don't think we have to worry about an English invasion. The Beatles did little damage in the 60's. Also this amendment was brought about before we had a large military to protect us, we now have a military and police force to protect us. We have the highest crime rate of all industrial 1st world countries, why is that, well most countries in Europe have lower crime rates(rate meaning taking population into account) most have made firearms illegal. Put 2 and 2 together and i think it is worth a shot at trying too. If everyone has a rfight to own a firearm then that means the 50yr old serial killer down the street has the same right to a firearm as you. Not only does the honest , intelligent right minded citizen have a right to a gun, but so does the mentally unbalanced postal worker who just delivered the last Ed MCmahon letter that put him over the edge.
Guns do not have to be illegal but should be kept away from anyone
but law enforcement.
If that is the case, why does the US Constitution provide otherwise?
The lawmen have to protect us and need some
kind of weapons.
Only in very rare circumstances does a law enforcement officer
actually protect a civilian. Their guns are present to protect
THEMSELVES! Yes, it is necessary for them to have guns because
they have to face all kinds of kooks INTENTIONALLY. But the sad
fact is that most police work is done after the fact and rarely are
police present to stop any attack on a private citizen.
Making guns legal means having control to some
degree over who does and who does not have a gun.
Really? Its been illegal to own a handgun in the city of Chicago
for decades, yet Chicago now has the dubious distinction of being
the murder capitol of the US. It now even outpaces NYC.
The proof that
citicens should not have guns is on your paper's front page nearly
every day.
Hmmm... I see it as quite the opposite. FYI, most "gun incidents"
do not involved shot fired. But you are not going to see those
incidents published on the front page, middle or back page of any
newspaper. "Man Shows Gun and Doesn't Get Attacked". That kind of
stuff just doesn't sell newspapers, titilate the or generate a
voting constituency.
I do not trust people with guns. They have them to stay
in control! People only need to be in control when they feel they
have none.
It has nothing to do with control. It has to do with preparedness
and vigilance (not to be confused with vigilantes). Have you ever
had someone break into your house when you were home? What are you
going to protect yourself with when an intruder enters YOUR home,
your tennis racquet? Just a few weeks ago a woman here called 911
because her ex-husband was threatening her. The police responces
took TWENTY MINUTES! They arrived in just time to call the
cororner.
Thos are really bad candidates to own guns.
Hmm again... Most of the gun owners I know are doctors, lawyers,
photographers, pharmacists, carpenters and housewives... Real bad
characters.
It is a sad
society when you no longer believe in the good of your fellow
countrymen.
Yes it is. But it doesn't take crime to show you this. If you make
an agreement with someone verbally, it is every bit as much a
contract as it is in writing. Its just that a written contract is a
document provable in court. Neither is more or less binding... but
in our country we now have to get everything in writing, or the
agreement is worthless. Let me know when we can shake on an
agreement and have it stick... Then we can talk about the more
serious issues.

Today we have security systems on our homes and businesses. When I
grew up (in Chicago PROPER) I didn't even own a key to my house
until I was 14. We never locked the doors because we didn't have
to. Yes, its sad. As I intimated earlier, burglar alarms will
probably get the cops to your door to call the coroner and make out
a report.
Crime rate is on an all time high and it is getting
worse as criminals now need bigger weapons to stay ahead of gun
owners. They will comply!
The statement sounds great, but has no substantive value. Criminals
will get the most firepower they can locate, regardless of how
their targets are or are not armed. The real firepower is already
in the hands of the gangs who overtly sport Macs and Uzis. Do you
think gun ownership by Joe Homeowner poses a threat to anyone?

In closing, I think it would help if you looked at the BIG PICTURE
for a moment. If you think of the millions of guns out there and
then tally the relatively few instances of civilian misuse, you'll
see that the incidence of death and accident by legally owned
firearms is infinitecimal. You'd be far better off making tobacco
illegal... You'll save many more lives.

Best of luck,
Stanton
 
"if that is the case why does the US COnstitution provide
otherwise" lol this is a funny comment
Well, a have to admit I'm not laughing when I read your comments.
, have you ever read or
studied the US COnstitution, if so you would notice that is close
to 300 years old now,
Actually, MUCH closer to 200.
and had a few questionable thigns in it that
had to be fixed over time,
If only Jefferson, Madison, et al had had your superior foresight!
for instance all men are created equal,
hmm what about women
Well, something has certainly changed here - vocabulary. People today seem unwilling to accept "men" as meaning mankind. . . er, better make that humans.
hmm what about blacks.
You don't think they're men?
Times change deal
with it. The 2nd amendment was proposed to protect against tyranny
from the King of England, i don't think we have to worry about an
English invasion.
Cute - but if you read The Federalist Papers you'll discover that was not the reason for the second ammendment.
this amendment was brought about before we had a large military to
protect us, we now have a military and police force to protect us.
THAT is what the second ammendment was SPECIFICALLY designed to protect against! (No, that does not mean I'm on the lookout for black helicopters and preparing to take up arms against the government.)
We have the highest crime rate of all industrial 1st world
countries,
Familiar with the Post Hoc fallacy?
why is that, well most countries in Europe have lower
crime rates(rate meaning taking population into account) most have
made firearms illegal. Put 2 and 2 together and i think it is
worth a shot at trying too.
And why has there been a increase in the crime rate in England after banning private ownership of guns?

Nope - definitely not laughing.

Doctor
 
its pretty simple really. The majority of americans and in my experience close to 100% of those that you find online are incapable of conceiving of a lifestyle that does not allow the 'right' to bare arms. The whole language of that constitutional right is arcane in itself.

There is no point arguing this further since they live in a society of fear and know no different. THey think they understand a free society. Sadly the rest of the world knows a little different.

Despite all their technology they still live in the 18th century . America is still a world of civil war - for those in the south, and independence (from england)' for the others. Much of the language and terminology comes straight from 19th century england.

Its mystifying from those of other societies why americans see themselves as so free, liberated and and enlightened when in general they live in fear, repression and angst...
 
What are you... french?
its pretty simple really. The majority of americans and in my
experience close to 100% of those that you find online are
incapable of conceiving of a lifestyle that does not allow the
'right' to bare arms. The whole language of that constitutional
right is arcane in itself.
There is no point arguing this further since they live in a society
of fear and know no different. THey think they understand a free
society. Sadly the rest of the world knows a little different.
Despite all their technology they still live in the 18th century .
America is still a world of civil war - for those in the south, and
independence (from england)' for the others. Much of the language
and terminology comes straight from 19th century england.

Its mystifying from those of other societies why americans see
themselves as so free, liberated and and enlightened when in
general they live in fear, repression and angst...
 
There is no point arguing this further since they live in a society
of fear and know no different. THey think they understand a free
society. Sadly the rest of the world knows a little different.
Yea, that's America. I wish we had your divine insight but....if it wasn't for our "uncivilized" help 85 years ago, you'd be writing this in German. Oh wait, I forgot. I think it was us that offered you just a small insignificant bit of aid in 1940 also. You're welcome.

We now have "Peace in our TIme". Now there is a bit of divine insight by Neville Chamberlain. I think that was said about 2 years before you came crying to America to help keep your society free. Odd that you would ask a country for help even though we don't understand a free society as the rest of the world does.

Now, you may go stick your civilized head back into the sand and wait until the next Hitler arrives so you can once again look to America for help.
Regards,
John Mitchell
 
i've done a lot of third world country travel, and the fancy gear does make you a preferred target for beggars, touts, and kids hungry for candy and "school pens." you also don't want to souvenir shop with your gear around your neck, as prices will go up with the value of your gear (I swear the rug merchants really know the difference between AF and AFS...)

I've never had crime problems with the gear on my body. i do try to carry my stuff in non-camera-like bags (bike messenger bags, tibetan yak hair shoulder bags, battered cheap german backpacks), so that the only obvious gear is the camera i'm holding at the time. i also minimize lenses taken on each daily sojourn - some gear i always carry (a flash, my 80-400 VR lens and my 28-70) and some i carry only when i know i'm likely to need it (macro lens, second flash with light trigger, 85 1.8, etc) i've sometimes not had the PERFECT lens, but have seldom missed a shot. I subscribe heavily to the "don't carry more than you can run with" philosophy, because sometimes you have to run away from rowdies, rainstorms, or raging animals.

I have had trouble with attempted thefts of gear left in my room. hotels are theft central. i leave little, lock it in suitcases buried in sweaty clothes, leave it in the safe, or in my guide's car, locked. i've had some suitcases cut open, but they probably couldn't get past the old clothes, because i've never lost anything. yet.

finally, the FBI shirt...maybe in the US (no, probably not) but outside the US you are so much better to look like you're from some other country. people in the US are not terribly popular, and all from the US are believed to be very, very rich. I wear anonymous clothing as much as possible, some bought on other trips. even have gone so far on a recent trip to sri lanka as to answer touts and hustlers in russian or german - if you answer in english, you encourage them. nothing dangerous, just annoying to have two or three hustlers hassle you every block. after i pretended to speak no english, and shrugged them off in russian, i found that NO ONE came to try to sell me things real good real cheap.
One thing I'd like to add is that camera equipment can lead to
your being set up for a con. My experience was in New York and the
con was two guys running a three card monty game. "Sure, you can
join in. Just put those cameras up for the bet." No thanks. I later
saw the two guys plus three others I didn't notice splitting the
winnings off some poor mark.
 
I do carry because you can never find law enforcement when you need them. call 911 about 10 min. to respond. 45 Cal.1911 about 3 seconds to respond.

Bob
Guns do not have to be illegal but should be kept away from anyone
but law enforcement. The lawmen have to protect us and need some
kind of weapons. Making guns legal means having control to some
degree over who does and who does not have a gun. The proof that
citicens should not have guns is on your paper's front page nearly
every day. I do not trust people with guns. They have them to stay
in control! People only need to be in control when they feel they
have none. Thos are really bad candidates to own guns. It is a sad
society when you no longer believe in the good of your fellow
countrymen. Crime rate is on an all time high and it is getting
worse as criminals now need bigger weapons to stay ahead of gun
owners. They will comply!
Rinus
 
Gee Warren did you know most criminals are cowards and will back off when met with resistance such as a 45 Cal. ACP 1911.
Yes is works very well.

911 takes about 10 Min. fore help. 45 Cal. 1911 takes about 3 seconds for help. When you need help now! Which do you want?

Yes guns still have a legitimate place in our society today, Helping citizens stay alive and safe.

Bob
i'm worried about anyone who owns a gun, personally. i just dont
see them as having a legitimate place in today's society. don't you
see that the more people own guns, the more criminals will "need"
bigger/better/deadlier guns to overpower your own armoury?
By golly, Warren, you're right! People need to be aware of wackos
(like me) with firearms. I therefore suggest a law that will let
people know about the danger I present to my neighbors. I should
be required to have a sign in front of my house warning people that
the homeowner is armed. Of course, I'll expect to see a sign in
your yard letting everyone know your place is a gun-free zone.

Gee, I wonder which of us will sleep better at night?

Jerry
 
Predators also live in the city and kill people.
Some time Called Bad guys.
Please to not try to take away my right to keep myself and my family safe.

Bob
I am talking about typical hand guns. The type that can be
concealed. The type that is used to kill people and has no other
purpose. I have no issue with preventative measures in the wild or
on farms to protect livestock from predators. However, there are a
few "tree huggers" out there that would still find issue with that.
Rinus
 
Guns do not have to be illegal but should be kept away from anyone
but law enforcement.
Ok not to start a big argument but had to give my opinion on this one. The primary reason to carry a gun is to not have to use it. Chances are most people who would think of robbing you are scared and have a gun on them. Now the truth is if you have a gun also and have it in view you are going to avoid problems I agee with the fact that if you carry a gun conceled then it will do you no good if the time came where you had to use it you would be dead before you ever got to it. Just my two cents not saying that i am right but felt the need to type something :)
 
Guns do not have to be illegal but should be kept away from anyone
but law enforcement.
Ok not to start a big argument but had to give my opinion on this
one. The primary reason to carry a gun is to not have to use it.
Chances are most people who would think of robbing you are scared
and have a gun on them. Now the truth is if you have a gun also
and have it in view you are going to avoid problems I agee with the
fact that if you carry a gun conceled then it will do you no good
if the time came where you had to use it you would be dead before
you ever got to it. Just my two cents not saying that i am right
but felt the need to type something :)
I'm so Proud of myself for not getting in on this discussion. By The Way, did you all know that most shooting statistics in the us also include police shootings? oops guess I just got in it. : )
Dave
Member NRA, WFDA (world Fast Draw Assoc.) and concealed carry permit holder
 
Tony with your line of thinking plane clothing Cops should not carry guns all will die from being shot by Bad guys.

Bob
Guns do not have to be illegal but should be kept away from anyone
but law enforcement.
Ok not to start a big argument but had to give my opinion on this
one. The primary reason to carry a gun is to not have to use it.
Chances are most people who would think of robbing you are scared
and have a gun on them. Now the truth is if you have a gun also
and have it in view you are going to avoid problems I agee with the
fact that if you carry a gun conceled then it will do you no good
if the time came where you had to use it you would be dead before
you ever got to it. Just my two cents not saying that i am right
but felt the need to type something :)
 
I've had some odd experiences being the target of curiousity out on the country roads in my area. Recently I was stopped by a guy in his beat-up pickup. This was not in an isolated area, fortunately, and nothing bad happened. He lived on a farm down the road and wanted to know what I was doing. When I got to my car, he had parked nearby, and wanted to ask more questions. He sounded curious, not ominous. But it gave me pause.

Now, this is the Bay Area in CA, so I would expect people to know about "photography" ! However, this is making me rethink my next trip.
 
It's curious, really, that you're trying to use WWII analogies to preach the supposed modern gospel that 'proves' that America is the world's peacekeeper, the gentle, benign good guy whose patience and forebearance is the only thing that saves the rest of the uncivilised (and, dammit, unChristian) world from anarchy.

Like you've preserved peace in the Middle East by giving Israel billions of dollars in monetary aid and military armaments. Like the armaments used by US Best Buddy Ariel Sharon to butcher thousands of Lebanese civilians in the '80s in one military attack (many many more thousands than died in the September 11 atrocity, but in the 80s it was only raghead Muslims, not Americans, so they don't count, never mind that American money and American political leanings and American armaments performed the mass murder).

Like you've done such a great job in Persia for thirty-odd years. First you shored up the Shah of Iran because he was in the pockets of your oil industry (never mind how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of Iranians he put down).

Like when you changed sides and your CIA funded and shored up and pushed to the fore Saddam Hussein. Without America, that animal would be nothing today -- a fact that is conveniently forgotten when he is highlighted as one of the laughable 'axes of evil' -- does Austin Powers write Dubya's speeches? Only 12 years ago, Dubya's Daddy used his veto to over-ride America's democracy in order to provide ANTHRAX to Saddam Hussein. Now, a year or more after anthrax hit the States (and, unaccountably, that particular mystery has never been solved), how many people are pointing the finger at Dubya's Daddy's stupidity? None, because your press is as gutless as your electorate is plain stupid.

Like when your 'foreign policy genius' (and common burglar) Nixon and his Doctor of Death Kissinger bombed Cambodia into the dark ages state that allowed the hideous aberration that was Khmer Rouge rule to flower. Recent calls to prosecute Kissinger for the mass murder of the bombings are entirely apt-- but he and Nixon were just as guilty for what the Khmer Rouge pulled afterwards.

And the list goes on. Noriega. A crook and a murderer supported and funded by America until his PR value became too dodgy. Ditto Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines. Ditto the awful human rights abuses of Park Chung-hee and Chun, Doo-Hwan iin Korea; and of Pinochet in Chile (whose murderous rise to power was engineered by the CIA -- and who is still loudly supported by Kissinger). And so on and so on.

So save us the simplistic God Bless America, saviours of the unappreciative masses, John. It might work in a country that accepts a numbnut president who didn't even win his presidential election. But it don't wash in the world of the thinking being.

ron mcmillan

p.s. And, for your information, America entered WWII, not in 1940, but in 1942 -- after two extra years of horrific bloodshed in Europe that, it seemed to American leaders, didn't matter to America. Then came the December 1941 Pearl Harbour attack. And suddenly America was Freedom's Friend.
There is no point arguing this further since they live in a society
of fear and know no different. THey think they understand a free
society. Sadly the rest of the world knows a little different.
Yea, that's America. I wish we had your divine insight but....if it
wasn't for our "uncivilized" help 85 years ago, you'd be writing
this in German. Oh wait, I forgot. I think it was us that offered
you just a small insignificant bit of aid in 1940 also. You're
welcome.
We now have "Peace in our TIme". Now there is a bit of divine
insight by Neville Chamberlain. I think that was said about 2 years
before you came crying to America to help keep your society free.
Odd that you would ask a country for help even though we don't
understand a free society as the rest of the world does.
Now, you may go stick your civilized head back into the sand and
wait until the next Hitler arrives so you can once again look to
America for help.
Regards,
John Mitchell
 
It's curious, really, that you're trying to use WWII analogies to
preach the supposed modern gospel that 'proves' that America is the
world's peacekeeper, the gentle, benign good guy whose patience and
forebearance is the only thing that saves the rest of the
uncivilised (and, dammit, unChristian) world from anarchy.

Like you've preserved peace in the Middle East by giving Israel
billions of dollars in monetary aid and military armaments. Like
the armaments used by US Best Buddy Ariel Sharon to butcher
thousands of Lebanese civilians in the '80s in one military attack
(many many more thousands than died in the September 11 atrocity,
but in the 80s it was only raghead Muslims, not Americans, so they
don't count, never mind that American money and American political
leanings and American armaments performed the mass murder).

Like you've done such a great job in Persia for thirty-odd years.
First you shored up the Shah of Iran because he was in the pockets
of your oil industry (never mind how many thousands or hundreds of
thousands of Iranians he put down).

Like when you changed sides and your CIA funded and shored up and
pushed to the fore Saddam Hussein. Without America, that animal
would be nothing today -- a fact that is conveniently forgotten
when he is highlighted as one of the laughable 'axes of evil' --
does Austin Powers write Dubya's speeches? Only 12 years ago,
Dubya's Daddy used his veto to over-ride America's democracy in
order to provide ANTHRAX to Saddam Hussein. Now, a year or more
after anthrax hit the States (and, unaccountably, that particular
mystery has never been solved), how many people are pointing the
finger at Dubya's Daddy's stupidity? None, because your press is as
gutless as your electorate is plain stupid.

Like when your 'foreign policy genius' (and common burglar) Nixon
and his Doctor of Death Kissinger bombed Cambodia into the dark
ages state that allowed the hideous aberration that was Khmer Rouge
rule to flower. Recent calls to prosecute Kissinger for the mass
murder of the bombings are entirely apt-- but he and Nixon were
just as guilty for what the Khmer Rouge pulled afterwards.

And the list goes on. Noriega. A crook and a murderer supported and
funded by America until his PR value became too dodgy. Ditto
Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines. Ditto the awful human rights
abuses of Park Chung-hee and Chun, Doo-Hwan iin Korea; and of
Pinochet in Chile (whose murderous rise to power was engineered by
the CIA -- and who is still loudly supported by Kissinger). And so
on and so on.

So save us the simplistic God Bless America, saviours of the
unappreciative masses, John. It might work in a country that
accepts a numbnut president who didn't even win his presidential
election. But it don't wash in the world of the thinking being.

ron mcmillan

p.s. And, for your information, America entered WWII, not in 1940,
but in 1942 -- after two extra years of horrific bloodshed in
Europe that, it seemed to American leaders, didn't matter to
America. Then came the December 1941 Pearl Harbour attack. And
suddenly America was Freedom's Friend.
oh, so we were supposed to jump in then, but not in any of the other situations you just described? When your little piece of the world needs help, who do you think it will turn to?
 
It's curious
Ron,

It's really quite hot here today so i decided to let the dogs take a swim in the nearby river. Thank goodness the woman down the road didn't paint her house red.
Kind regards,
John Mitchell

p.s. With the price of peaches being as they are, I thought I'd bake three pies instead of two.
 
Ron,
It's really quite hot here today so i decided to let the dogs take
a swim in the nearby river. Thank goodness the woman down the road
didn't paint her house red.
Kind regards,
John Mitchell
p.s. With the price of peaches being as they are, I thought I'd
bake three pies instead of two.
mmmm peach pies; don't be carrying too many of them around with you, in case envy gets the better of your fellow citizens. Peach pies, digital cameras, what's the difference?
 
It's curious, really, that you're trying to use WWII analogies to
preach the supposed modern gospel that 'proves' that America is the
world's peacekeeper, the gentle, benign good guy whose patience and
forebearance is the only thing that saves the rest of the
uncivilised (and, dammit, unChristian) world from anarchy.

Like you've preserved peace in the Middle East by giving Israel
billions of dollars in monetary aid and military armaments. Like
the armaments used by US Best Buddy Ariel Sharon to butcher
thousands of Lebanese civilians in the '80s in one military attack
(many many more thousands than died in the September 11 atrocity,
but in the 80s it was only raghead Muslims, not Americans, so they
don't count, never mind that American money and American political
leanings and American armaments performed the mass murder).

Like you've done such a great job in Persia for thirty-odd years.
First you shored up the Shah of Iran because he was in the pockets
of your oil industry (never mind how many thousands or hundreds of
thousands of Iranians he put down).

Like when you changed sides and your CIA funded and shored up and
pushed to the fore Saddam Hussein. Without America, that animal
would be nothing today -- a fact that is conveniently forgotten
when he is highlighted as one of the laughable 'axes of evil' --
does Austin Powers write Dubya's speeches? Only 12 years ago,
Dubya's Daddy used his veto to over-ride America's democracy in
order to provide ANTHRAX to Saddam Hussein. Now, a year or more
after anthrax hit the States (and, unaccountably, that particular
mystery has never been solved), how many people are pointing the
finger at Dubya's Daddy's stupidity? None, because your press is as
gutless as your electorate is plain stupid.

Like when your 'foreign policy genius' (and common burglar) Nixon
and his Doctor of Death Kissinger bombed Cambodia into the dark
ages state that allowed the hideous aberration that was Khmer Rouge
rule to flower. Recent calls to prosecute Kissinger for the mass
murder of the bombings are entirely apt-- but he and Nixon were
just as guilty for what the Khmer Rouge pulled afterwards.

And the list goes on. Noriega. A crook and a murderer supported and
funded by America until his PR value became too dodgy. Ditto
Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines. Ditto the awful human rights
abuses of Park Chung-hee and Chun, Doo-Hwan iin Korea; and of
Pinochet in Chile (whose murderous rise to power was engineered by
the CIA -- and who is still loudly supported by Kissinger). And so
on and so on.

So save us the simplistic God Bless America, saviours of the
unappreciative masses, John. It might work in a country that
accepts a numbnut president who didn't even win his presidential
election. But it don't wash in the world of the thinking being.

ron mcmillan

p.s. And, for your information, America entered WWII, not in 1940,
but in 1942 -- after two extra years of horrific bloodshed in
Europe that, it seemed to American leaders, didn't matter to
America. Then came the December 1941 Pearl Harbour attack. And
suddenly America was Freedom's Friend.
oh, so we were supposed to jump in then, but not in any of the
other situations you just described? When your little piece of the
world needs help, who do you think it will turn to?
If you're only up to reading the last two lines, and basing your vapid response accordingly, David, best just go back to ironing your Stars and Stripes, if that's what makes you feel good
 

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