Oly E series vs. Nikon D100/Canon D60/Etc.

Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Member said:

I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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JJNNBB said:

Or an assumed E-30, for which I still hope if not exactly expect.
The 5700 is to which E-10ers should now look if they really must
have an upgrade now. or soon, along the same lines as their E-10s,
and can't wait till Oly pull their fingers out and tell us what
they're up to.

A well sorted 6MP E-30, much as the E-20 should have been, would
suit me, at least.

John Bunney

It surprises me that

Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Ferenc said:

I think of the 5700 just like a boy being asked to do a man's job.
Very good range of features & functions, but matched to probably
the wrong lens, lack of pro-color neutrality and density, no
optical viewfinder, no manual-control of zoom (critical for quickly
composing), etc...

Again, we all need to really understand what the E10/E20's design
was meant to be... Its combination and balance of photgraphic and
technological ingredients is exactly what made it so special...

Best regards,

Ferenc

JJNNBB said:

Or an assumed E-30, for which I still hope if not exactly expect.
The 5700 is to which E-10ers should now look if they really must
have an upgrade now. or soon, along the same lines as their E-10s,
and can't wait till Oly pull their fingers out and tell us what
they're up to.

A well sorted 6MP E-30, much as the E-20 should have been, would
suit me, at least.

John Bunney

It surprises me that

Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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David Grabowski said:

David Grabowski said:

I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Mike ,

You posted 7 paragraphs. In the last half of the last one you
stated the above. What is it you would like to work on then ? I
suspect that some people may not have gotten past your second
paragraph, figuring you were just whining !

I suggest, if you want a subject dropped, drop it, don't go there
at all. If you want to discuss something, introduce the discussion,
ignor the rest of the people who may be whining about what ever.

Not picking here, merely suggesting, but for instance I thought
your thread header indicated an interest in comparing at least 3
cameras, where actually you may be interested in the work arounds
of the E cameras ?

David

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Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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Michael Warren said:

Member said:

Member said:

I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series

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My point was that the comparisons between the cameras referenced
has little relevance; much in the same way as comparing a Porsche
to a VW. One could conclude that it is not possible to get good or
even great pictures with the E10, which I don't believe to be true.
Mike

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Member said:

My point was that the comparisons between the cameras referenced
has little relevance; much in the same way as comparing a Porsche
to a VW. One could conclude that it is not possible to get good or
even great pictures with the E10, which I don't believe to be true.
I would rather see discussion on how to stretch the capabilities of
the E10, than how much better the latest 4K Nikon is. In the past,
and even now although to a lesser degree, there has been a wealth
of information provided by example, and instructions on how to
maximize ones experience with the E10. As I said upfront, I'm not
an expert, but I do review this forum regularly for information
that can help me take better pictures, or print them (as was the
case with QImage).

Mike

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Jono Slack said:

I've been reading your sensible posts - we aren't there yet, and
the Exx is a great camera, whatever else may be available.

Maybe this autumn - maybe the olydak will answer all our dreams!

kind regards
jono slack

Ferenc said:

I think of the 5700 just like a boy being asked to do a man's job.
Very good range of features & functions, but matched to probably
the wrong lens, lack of pro-color neutrality and density, no
optical viewfinder, no manual-control of zoom (critical for quickly
composing), etc...

Again, we all need to really understand what the E10/E20's design
was meant to be... Its combination and balance of photgraphic and
technological ingredients is exactly what made it so special...

Best regards,

Ferenc

JJNNBB said:

Or an assumed E-30, for which I still hope if not exactly expect.
The 5700 is to which E-10ers should now look if they really must
have an upgrade now. or soon, along the same lines as their E-10s,
and can't wait till Oly pull their fingers out and tell us what
they're up to.

A well sorted 6MP E-30, much as the E-20 should have been, would
suit me, at least.

John Bunney

It surprises me that

Michael Warren said:

I've reviewed some dismay all of the posts comparing/disparaging
the Oly E series vs any number of cameras; and as a reader much
more than poster, offer my following observations and comments.
BTW, I've owned an E10 since 12/2000.

The E10 at the time of it's release, set a new standard in digital
cameras affordable for amatuer photographers like myself; and to a
great degree I believe that still holds true. To compare this with
cameras costing 2-3X the E10 is just unreasonable. It's like
comparing a Porsche to a VW. Both are good autos, but no one
compares them head to head.

When the E10 was released, it set new standards in digital cameras
in regards to features/price. To a large degree, over the last two
years these have been equaled a/o surpassed by competitors. Why
should this be a surprise. Do any of you have a computer from two
years ago that can compete on features/speed with today's models?

While we're talking about features/price let's just accept that the
E20 was a disppoinment in improving on the E10's capabilities. It
doesn't make the E series terrible in any way, it's just
discouraging that Oly didn't build better on the E10 strengths.

When I first started reading this forum, there were a lot of
professional photographers here, using the E10 to earn their
living. Many of them have moved on to the newest generation of
digital cameras as I would expect. I thank them for showing me
that the E10 is capable of taking great pictures.

I am still practicing and learning to improve my skills with my
E10. IMHO, the E10/E20 still offers a good value, and I will
continue to use it and improve my photography skills.

What I don't need is an endless comparison of E10 vs. XXX; which in
many of the cases in this forum is like comparing apples to
oranges. I'd would much rather see discussion on how to best use
the capabilities and minimize or work around the limitations of the
E series. When I first started reading this forum, there was much
more of that.

Mike

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SeanU said:

Michael,

Try not to get upset when someone says "Bye Bye E-10, Hello D100".
Be happy that the person is getting a camera that fills their
needs, and that your camera still fills your needs. There are still
people here using these cameras who are happy to share what they
have learned.

The E-10/E-20 cameras are great pieces of equipment that still meet
the needs of many people (the price drops keep them a viable choice
for many people). For some people, the new technology makes more
sense, especially since it is coming closer to the orignal price
point of these cameras ($2000). I am one of the people torn in the
middle. I own some Nikon lenses, and an E-10. I mostly take
pictures for prints at 5x7 or sometimes 8x10. I personally feel
that 8X10 is pushing a 4mp camera,
3000x2400 (7.2mp) @300dpi and a large sensor would be ideal.

I would love the higher resolution of these new cameras but I ask
myself what do I really need. I am going to try to hold out with
the E-10 for another year or so, and get an SLR when the next
generation appears, hopefully with a 8-10mp full frame sensor. Even
then, the E-10 will still make nice 5x7 and 8x10 prints.

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SeanU said:

Michael,

Try not to get upset when someone says "Bye Bye E-10, Hello D100".
Be happy that the person is getting a camera that fills their
needs, and that your camera still fills your needs. There are still
people here using these cameras who are happy to share what they
have learned.

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JJMACK said:

They are not for me. When I was younger broke my back lugging all
my equipment around. Now that I'm about to retire still like to
hike and take pictures. I will be doing a lot of it. I want a
smaller load a no a hassle unit one that's a pleasure to use. Don't
want interchangeable lenses one is all I will carry. Yes I want a
camera better than the E-10/20 and if some other manufacture
produces it before Olympus does I'll buy it. I wish it was here
today but for my wife broke the Nikon 990 I gave her. So while it
was being repaired I let her use my E-20. Well the 990 is back and
yes she now wants something better. So today I ordered an E-10 for
her. I could afford to buy a D100 or D60 but I believe soon
technologies the X3 or something like it will advance digital
photography to the next level. I will wait till than to drop the
big bucks. Right now the E-10/20 is the best bang for my bucks.
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JJMack

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