Balance in Composition - the basics.

Here's an chain of thought. I was thinking about flash exposures and how the aperture and shutter speed control the ambient lighting of a subject, while the aperture and flash output/distiance control the flash component - so in order to balance the seesaw it needs a bit of thinking along the lines of Alexander Caulder.

And that got me back to balance in composition. I don't know much about Caulder, other than he was the guy who invented the mobile, and subsequently made rather a lot of them, very distinctive and very nice. All those things dangling over baby's cots are a derivative of Caulder's original work.

There's a guy who knows something about balance, could be worth a touch of research.
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... I don't know much
about Caulder, other than he was the guy who invented the mobile, and
subsequently made rather a lot of them...
At first I thought to myself "What?!... That 'invented' the mobile?". But, after reading quite a bit, it seems that your statement is correct.

A little about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ (sculpture)

PS. Don't Google "who invented the mobile?" unless you want to know more about cell phones ;)

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Here's an chain of thought. I was thinking about flash exposures and
how the aperture and shutter speed control the ambient lighting of a
subject, while the aperture and flash output/distiance control the
flash component - so in order to balance the seesaw it needs a bit of
thinking along the lines of Alexander Caulder.

And that got me back to balance in composition. I don't know much
about Caulder, other than he was the guy who invented the mobile, and
subsequently made rather a lot of them, very distinctive and very
nice. All those things dangling over baby's cots are a derivative of
Caulder's original work.

There's a guy who knows something about balance, could be worth a
touch of research.
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I saw an original Calder mobile last year at a SF gallery. 1 milion USD! It was nice, large, but, 1 million? There were stuff by Picasso and other great artists of the past century. For those that live in the SF BA, it's on the lower right corner of Union Square, looking down to Market, if I'm not wrong. Nice place, likely where the rich folks from Silicon Valley get their art from.

Regarding balance, certainly that's the most obvious application in Art, a mobile, since w/o balance it wouldn't work. I still have to train myself to look for that when shooting, it's not that easy.

Since it also includes light balance, color balance, etc, and since w/o light balance and control getting a good image is impossible, it's just like getting the intuitive feeling for light balance that any photog must have. Thus, I think it would also work intutively after some training.

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Which book? At least 2 have been mentioned?

thx

bob
Hi Jeri

Ask away on any aspect - if you post it on here it may be as well to
email me too as I'm trying to cut down on time here. Points raised
should be of interest to many, so I'll happily contribute to any
threads.

I seriously think that this is the only book anyone needs to read
about composition, or maybe even the only book anyone should read.

John
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After reading your post I am realizing that my brain was stuck in analyzing composition in 2 dimensions only - the x and y axis of the photo. Maybe it would venture into the z axis now and again but never into the weight of color, texture and emotion.

Just back from an extended vacation so it will be while before I look through a viewfinder again but it will be a different experience next time I do.

Thanks

Kevin
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Which book? At least 2 have been mentioned?
Photographer's Eye by Michael Freeman - I am not kidding it is REALLY
good. Although it is relatively new I think it will be a "classic".

(Pardon me if you were directing the comment to others.)
yes, that's the one. thx
That one could be fine, I haven't read it, but I can recommend Principles of Composition in Photography by Andreas Feininger without reservation.
 
Ian,

I'm late to the discussion, and I'm replying mainly so I can find it easily later in my threads. You've really put the composition topic within reach for me. I've been struggling with this all summer. My photos for the past few months have mostly been flat, boring, uninspired. I've read it through, and will continue to use it as a reference.

Your post goes above and beyond what I would expect from a forum. You really gave it alot of time and thought. I very much appreciate this tutorial. As I get more and more into this photography stuff, I expect more out of my photographs, and so far I've been trying to figure it out by hit or miss. Mostly miss, as I keep getting photos that look sophmoric in the sense that I'm trying too hard to be "artsy" and not getting anywhere near it. Its pretty frustrating. Tutorials such as yours push me further up the learning curve, so maybe I'll be able to hit some soon.

It is interesting to note how your expertise in your profession as an architect translates into your photographs. I now see why your photos are so powerful, its not only the emotion that you capture, its the discipline of knowing what is balanced and what is skewed. What I find most pleasing about your photos is that bit of restraint, how you know when its just enough - which I guess comes from your architecture skills.

well, I just wanted to say thanks for a great tutorial.

best,
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The composition tutorial was very good too, well written and easy to understand. But what blew me away were the B&W photos at the end! Good, strong compositions, and the dramatic B&W is excellent! When you have the time, maybe you should follow up with a B&W tutorial :-)

Is this mostly done by curves and dodging & burning in post, or did you apply any red/orange filters when shooting? I'd love to hear more about it, as I'm struggeling to get that dramatic B&W look and still keeping the tonality like you have.

Thomas.


 
I have spent the last several days reading your thread and studying the golden mean. I think that all of your photos shown fit the golden mean rule.

I guess that means that not only do you see balance but you also see the golden mean at the same time. I agree with someone who stated earlier... It like swimming against Michael Phelps!!! :)
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Thanks Photoshop Mama, I searched for days for something like this!!
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That was a good read.. You got some good drawings right there buddy. Heh.
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Really interesting!

The golden mean or golden ratio is one of those magical geometric relations which never dies in aesthetics. One interesting fact is that the 3:2 proportion of 35mm and APS-C format is not the golden ratio (=1.618), it's quite nice for photography. The closest used frame ratio is 16:9, but somehow it looks too wide for most applications.

Now, read MT's quotation below!!! :)

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The graphic strength of overlaying that lovely snail on Ians photos is very strong.

However, the conclusion is facial. The concept it Greek to me - think of what you area saying here. The Golden Mean is a very precise concept, we're talking square roots here and maths which we don't carry in our heads when shooting. I don't see any relationship between the underlying images and the shots.

I bet there has never been a commercial focusing screen available with the snail etched onto it.
I have spent the last several days reading your thread and studying
the golden mean. I think that all of your photos shown fit the golden
mean rule.
I guess that means that not only do you see balance but you also see
the golden mean at the same time. I agree with someone who stated
earlier... It like swimming against Michael Phelps!!! :)
This cs2 shape is available at http://www.photoshopmama.net
Thanks Photoshop Mama, I searched for days for something like this!!
Kelly
So lets look at number 1. Striking image - it achieves drama from imbalance, so maybe not the best example in the thread. So what of the snail? It doesn't hit anything - OK it goes through the light, but lets face it, draw a long squiggly snail on any photo and it almost bound to pass through a part of the main subject.
Now here you could have something, the prow of the boat does pretty much hit that all importan vertical, and the centre of the spiral does represent exactly what the U-boat captain would want to see through his periscope - but the dynamics of this image are about the line of boats and glorious sky, which largely ignore Brian.

For those out of the UK, Brian was a very likable snail in The Magic Roundabout - a childrens 5min animation imported from France, then given a fresh voice over with no reference to the translation. It had a wonderful surreal quality which was totally lost on the children of the 60s - but was ever so watchable.
Once more Brian works his magic - smack on the fisherman's armpit - a simple crop would get him right on the line so I'll give you that - but in this and the previous shot, surely the key line of both images is the horizon... which totally ignores the major horizontal line of Brian.
Now this one's single point of interest so far as Brian is concerned is where the near shore meets the frame, right on Brian's toe. Errrr, but at the expense of the key element of the image, the primary stanchion. Our U-Boat commander is at it again and scores a direct hit on the deck - provided his torpedoes drink Red Bull®. But that hot spot is a real vague area, I'm not really sure what it is trying to show 'hey, get a part of your subject within this jumble of lines and you get the cigar'. No, I don't think so, Ian's shot is for more complex than the Ancient Greeks suggest.

I've stated elsewhere that I don't understand the mechanics of this composition, and according to my inbuilt aesthetic it doesn't work. I can usually analyse good photos like this and decide why they do work, but with this one I simply trust my emotion. The success of this one is actually due to the post processing (eat your heart out, Aristotle, a man who didn't foresee photoshop), Ian's first version didn't work, yet this one is a gem.
Whatcha think, Kelly? Fair, unfair - am I missing something (such as tact!)?


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