father called a "pervert" for photographing own children in park

jezsik · Aug 12, 2008

Rootbeer said:
jezsik said:

borisboomboom said:

right...the best choice (most likely) to raise taxes, increase
national bureaucracy, and redistribute wealth. and foreign
policy...can you say OJT?

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On the job training? What do you mean, that Obama doesn't have enough
experience? C'mon, years of doing a mediocre job (McCain) or years
doing a bad job (pre-president Bush) hardly qualifies someone to be a
president, no?

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...Obama is a Jr. Senator who was on the job for 6 months. Prior to
that he was a community activist.

Hmmm, he was also a civil rights lawyer (with a Harvard degree, no less (and I know how hard it is to get into THAT place)) and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Right away that gives him a lot of clout as far as I'm concerned. That fact that he didn't spend a lot of time in DC is even better; he didn't get tainted by lobbyists.

Rootbeer said:
Senator McCain served several terms
as a US Senator, which are 6 year terms,

OK, so he spent a lot of time making friends with lobbyists. I bet he owes some folks some favors.

Rootbeer said:
He was also in WAR,

So? Why do people think this is some sort of qualification for a president? I know plenty of guys who spent time in combat and I wouldn't say they're a better leader for that. Now, if a general (or equivalent), using the power or organization and strategy, pulled off some brilliant victory, I'd say "Wow, that person knows how to get things done!" and might very well support him or her.

Rootbeer said:
Obama ... attended a church for 20 years

Yeah, I'm not impressed with that either.

Rootbeer said:
where he listened to messages from a racist leader

Interesting. See, I've read some of his stuff and don't see him as racist (unless you consider Martin Luther King to be racist too, but then that's your definition of racist). Maybe I'm just more open-minded and can appreciate where he's coming from.

Rootbeer said:
who clearly hates The United States of America.

Really? The guy who quit college to join the marine corp and later, the navy, anti-American? See, I can read his sermons (not just listen to a few hand-picked, decontextualized quotes) and see the point he's trying to make. Of course, I'm pretty literate so I can understand what he's saying and how he's saying it.

Rootbeer said:
you feel that Obama is qualified to be the leader of our Nation..?

Yeah, pretty much. I can think of better leaders, but they wouldn't put up with the nonsense of a campaign.

Rootbeer said:
Rootbeer said:

As far as taxes go, uh, how the heck do you think we're paying for
the occupation of Iraq? We're maxing out our credit cards and at some
point we're going to have to pay for the Republican war.

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.....Oh, it's a "Republican War".. Thanks for being honest. I've long
believed that if it were Gore's war, there wouldn't be an issue .

... because there wouldn't have been a war.

Rootbeer said:
BTW, most Democrats approved of this "Republican war" too..

Mislead into supporting it, you mean. Seriously, how much effort did The Party put into painting a terrifying picture in order to scare people, and their representatives, to support the effort? A lot - and awful lot.

Rootbeer said:
... thanks to the Surge that McCain supported long ago,
even when it wasn't popular with Obama, has shown
to be effective.

Great! So we can leave now? I was pretty sure sending more troops into the region would quell some of the violence, but knew it would not end the problem. So, has the surge worked? Not if we still have to occupy the country, it hasn't.

Rootbeer said:
I'm sorry, but it looks like you guys will have to
wait longer than expected for the USA death toll to rise above 5,000.
It's a shame you can't celebrate that sooner.. ;-)

I'm looking to cap the American death toll to whatever it is now by ending the occupation. How many lives need be sacrificed before you begin celebrating ... and what have we gained in the process?

I'm sorry you were unable to address my other points, but it's been interesting so far.

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
Rootbeer said:

You can vote for Obama, I'm going to vote against you.

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Despite the best will in the world, every study of illegal voting has come up empty. There is no signifigant fraudulent voting. Every attempt to prove it has failed miserably. Highlighting the fact that Anne Coulter voted twice, is not proof of signifigant fraud.

This is an Urban Myth and it's being used to disinfranchise the very poor and the very elderly.

All well and good to make fun of Mayor Daly's Chicago back in 1960 ("Vote early and vote often,") but it's not 1960 anymore.

Dave

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

jezsik said:
jezsik said:

jezsik said:

On the job training? What do you mean, that Obama doesn't have enough
experience? C'mon, years of doing a mediocre job (McCain) or years
doing a bad job (pre-president Bush) hardly qualifies someone to be a
president, no?

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Lincohn served one term in the House, I'm not aware of FDR's "experience," and even those who hate both of these men, would hardly call them incompetent.

The issue of Obama's experience or for that matter McCains age, are BS...

Dave

borisboomboom · Aug 12, 2008

dave...i'm not aware of any study on the matter. here's what i do know, that my my polling places will not ask me for any form of ID. they merely ask me my name and address. given the above, fraud is certainly possible, in particular in areas where low voter turnout is the norm. but i'm opposed to this practice on principle alone. i think it's un-American.

Chato said:
borisboomboom said:

Rootbeer said:

You can vote for Obama, I'm going to vote against you.

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Despite the best will in the world, every study of illegal voting has
come up empty. There is no signifigant fraudulent voting. Every
attempt to prove it has failed miserably. Highlighting the fact that
Anne Coulter voted twice, is not proof of signifigant fraud.
This is an Urban Myth and it's being used to disinfranchise the very
poor and the very elderly.

All well and good to make fun of Mayor Daly's Chicago back in 1960
("Vote early and vote often,") but it's not 1960 anymore.

Dave

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
dave...i'm not aware of any study on the matter. here's what i do
know, that my my polling places will not ask me for any form of ID.
they merely ask me my name and address. given the above, fraud is
certainly possible, in particular in areas where low voter turnout is
the norm. but i'm opposed to this practice on principle alone. i
think it's un-American.

There were two House investigations, and that's when the House was Republican controlled. Fraud just doesn't amont to much. Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be treated as a crime - Raise the penalty!

Now, no one askes me to provide I.D. either. On the other hand, they did when I registered to vote, and my signature sits in a book that I have to sign when ever I vote.
On the fly faking of a signature is more difficult than faking a photo...

Some people have no idea what it means to be "Poor," and no idea what life is like for the elederly. If a guy is taking home $150, $175 a week, and has to fork over $25 bucks for an id, let alone take time from work to do it, that hurts. While $25 bucks wont even buy me dinner, it's a hell of a lot for someone making $8 an hour. Nor is it easy for very old people to make their way through a burocracy looking for the "right." id.

As someone whose job gets him around I can testify to the truth of both of the above statements.

Dave

borisboomboom · Aug 12, 2008

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/07-21.pdf

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/07-21.pdf

Sheesh, and got rid of the title "Unfortunately."

If you read the entire decision, they are saying that Indianna has a right to make this law, but in no part of that decision is there any statement about there actually BEING voter fraud. In fact, the Court ignored evidence that there was No voter fraud.

In the meantime, the felon restrictions on voters are often misused. In the 2000 elections in Florida, 50,000 non felons were prevented from voting because the State made such a shoddy effort at stopping felons from voting.

And they got caught trying to do the same thing in 2004.

Just because the Court rules that a State has a right to do something, doesn't mean that they Should do something.

If you stop 1,000 false votes in a multi-million vote state election, but in the process deprive 100,000 people of the right to vote - Just who loses?

These laws are simply an up-to-date version of the poll tax.

Dave

puttin · Aug 12, 2008

mirel said:
Leaving aside this paranoia, you may have problems shooting
everything everywhere as a presumed spy, Bin laden terrorist or
paparazzi from police, guards, concerned (idiot) citizens. Myself I
had problems shooting historic buildings or streets; guards near
arrested me for shooting a mall from outside.
This may happen in the most touristic place as Firenze or Paris,
where visitors are taking millions of shots.
My explanation why some people have problems (and others not) is
their kind of camera: if you have a professional (or looks like a
professional ) black big camera with zoom, you are a suspect.( See
the camera that this father used) . With a silver small camera you
are a tourist, an amateur and may shot what you want and where you
want. P&S is safe.
Mirel
'As photographs give people an imaginary possession of a past that is
unreal, they also help people to take possession of space in which
they are insecure. '
Susan Sontag

I think that is part of the problem. Why should you feel guilty if you are using a full size camera ? If I was trying to be sneaky I would use a small p/s not something big to be noticed. The more I read this forum the more I find people afraid to use a DSLR in public. If some paranoid person said something to me, my reply would be f@#k off.

jezsik · Aug 12, 2008

Rootbeer said:
jezsik said:

I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our
government).

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Oh, so my fear of violent crime is "irrational"..?

I dunno, it depends on how fearful you are. If you live somewhere where violent crime is the norm, I'd expect you to take the appropriate precautions ... preferably moving somewhere else!

Rootbeer said:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537198

Very interesting article about Milwaukee from a couple years ago that doesn't offer much in the way of explanation. I wonder what the situation is like today?

What I find interesting is now that more Americans are behind bars then ever before in history, violent crime has gone up. What does this mean? Prison is not a determent? The wrong crimes lead to imprisonment? It's interesting that gun violence has gone up. Your solution is more guns? That might work. Then again, in societies where there are few guns, there are fewer gun crimes (proportionately).

Rootbeer said:
I do the majority of my work in Milwaukee County, where crime is on
the rise, and our public officials aren't doing squat about it other
than asking people not to victimize others./ not much of a plan..

You're right.

Rootbeer said:
I'll bet Jim Doyle thinks just like you do.

I seriously doubt that, but if you have some information on how he thinks, I can tell you if I think the same way.

Rootbeer said:
Why should they carry weapons to defend the lives of
themselves and others

Well, you have to admit that celebrity attracts certain types of people and some of those folks could be dangerous. I have no idea why Doyle thinks he's in any sort of danger. Don't most Governors have police protection of some sort?
if corporate crooks

Rootbeer said:
were the only criminals to be fearful of..?

At the end of your post you suggest I put more thought and logic into my argument. How 'bout you trying to keep up AND be more honest. I stated "I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our government)." Please point out where I suggest they are the only criminals one should fear.

Now, as to fearing corporate criminals and their government, let's see who can do more damage, shall we?

Being victimized by mugging types of crimes can be easily avoided (or SIGNIFICANTLY reduced) by not going into areas with high crime rates. Yeah, it really is that easy. If you ARE mugged you can reduce the changes of being injured by turning over your wallet - which is all the mugger wants. You lose your cash (which shouldn't be too much), your credit cards (which are easily replaced) and your ID (which is the most valuable thing you have). Of course your pride and dignity will also be hurt, but you'll get over it if you're mature.

Being victimized by a corporation or government, on the other hand, can not be avoided. Meticulous records keeping can help, but once your identity has been stolen you can lose your life savings, your reputation and your family.

No doubt you've heard stories of innocent people spending years in jail for a crime they didn't commit. Does that frighten you? It scares the pidoodle out of ME 'cause there's no way to protect yourself.

What would happen if you did a presentation to a group of kids and porn popped up on the projector? Never mind that the computer had been hijacked by a worm and you were not at fault. Never mind that it wasn't even your computer. You endangered children. You stand to lose your job and spend some quality time (like ten years) inspecting the local prison system. Tell me how your guns are going to help you here.

What would happen if you invested your retirement in a highly rated "secure" fund only to watch it dry up because the "secure" part was a bit of a scam. You're out thousands of dollars and no number of bullets will hold the responsible executives accountable.

Whether you believe me or not, check out "People Get Screwed All the Time" by Robert Massi. It's more disturbing than a Steven King novel.

Rootbeer · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
Chato said:

borisboomboom said:

Rootbeer said:

You can vote for Obama, I'm going to vote against you.

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Despite the best will in the world, every study of illegal voting has
come up empty. There is no signifigant fraudulent voting. Every
attempt to prove it has failed miserably. Highlighting the fact that
Anne Coulter voted twice, is not proof of signifigant fraud.
This is an Urban Myth and it's being used to disinfranchise the very
poor and the very elderly.

All well and good to make fun of Mayor Daly's Chicago back in 1960
("Vote early and vote often,") but it's not 1960 anymore.

Dave

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Dave pretends to know things that he doesn't..

In Milwaukee County alone in the 2004 General election, there were over 4,000 more ballots cast (Democrats like Doyle won BIG in Milwaukee County) than there were PEOPLE who voted.

(Two seconds in Google found this)
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=324933

"The newspaper found at least 278 felons who voted statewide, though only a partial review could be completed because of a state law that bars public access to birthdates of voters."

Two seconds in Google Dave.. and your excuse for not finding any such facts are..?? ....what, you didn't check your facts before making up your own..??

BTW, in addition to vetoing overwhelming public support for permit carrying gun owning private citizens, Jim Doyle also vetoed Voter Identification! Yep, you can't rent a movie from Block Buster without an ID, but you can vote..(as often as you can get away with) in Wisconsin without any identification whatsoever.

As a matter of fact, every time I vote, I ask who is also registered to my home address and every single time they show names of past residents who haven't lived here in well over 10 years!

Anyone who knows those names could pretend to be one of them and vote!

Oh, and I firmly believe if it weren't for the massive voter fraud in Wisconsin, Jim Doyle wouldn't be in office, and I wouldn't be as burdened as I am with the high taxes & fees that Jim Doyle is responsible for!

Jim Doyle:

JP

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http://www.Myspace.com/JPphotographer

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

jezsik said:
Rootbeer said:

jezsik said:

I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our
government).

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I fear Corporations far more than I fear street crime, but that doesn't make the fear of street crime irrational.

jezsik said:
jezsik said:

Oh, so my fear of violent crime is "irrational"..?

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I dunno, it depends on how fearful you are. If you live somewhere
where violent crime is the norm, I'd expect you to take the
appropriate precautions ... preferably moving somewhere else!

This is not an option for those who are poor. In this sense, Rootbeer is being more of a "liberal" than you are.

jezsik said:
jezsik said:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537198

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Very interesting article about Milwaukee from a couple years ago that
doesn't offer much in the way of explanation. I wonder what the
situation is like today?

What I find interesting is now that more Americans are behind bars
then ever before in history, violent crime has gone up. What does
this mean? Prison is not a determent? The wrong crimes lead to
imprisonment? It's interesting that gun violence has gone up. Your
solution is more guns? That might work. Then again, in societies
where there are few guns, there are fewer gun crimes
(proportionately).

You have a greater chance of going to jail for selling pot than armed robbery. But you are mistaken about guns. The higher the number of legal guns, the lower the crime - The higher the number of ILLEGAL guns and the rate goes up

jezsik said:
Now, as to fearing corporate criminals and their government, let's
see who can do more damage, shall we?

Being victimized by mugging types of crimes can be easily avoided (or
SIGNIFICANTLY reduced) by not going into areas with high crime rates.

Unless of course you call it home, or work in such communities

jezsik said:
Yeah, it really is that easy. If you ARE mugged you can reduce the
changes of being injured by turning over your wallet - which is all
the mugger wants. You lose your cash (which shouldn't be too much),
your credit cards (which are easily replaced) and your ID (which is
the most valuable thing you have). Of course your pride and dignity
will also be hurt, but you'll get over it if you're mature.

Anyone who points a weapon at me is making a statement. The statement is, "I am prepared to kill you."
What will trigger such an act? Who knows? The statement hangs in the air.

jezsik said:
Being victimized by a corporation or government, on the other hand,
can not be avoided. Meticulous records keeping can help, but once
your identity has been stolen you can lose your life savings, your
reputation and your family.

I agree. International Corporations are stealing far more money from me than has even been possible for a mugger to take. And they promote the existance of poverty, which in turn promotes the violent street crime we are talking about.

jezsik said:
No doubt you've heard stories of innocent people spending years in
jail for a crime they didn't commit. Does that frighten you? It
scares the pidoodle out of ME 'cause there's no way to protect
yourself.

You can protect yourself by being RICH and hiring a good lawyer.

Dave

jezsik said:
What would happen if you did a presentation to a group of kids and
porn popped up on the projector? Never mind that the computer had
been hijacked by a worm and you were not at fault. Never mind that it
wasn't even your computer. You endangered children. You stand to lose
your job and spend some quality time (like ten years) inspecting the
local prison system. Tell me how your guns are going to help you here.

What would happen if you invested your retirement in a highly rated
"secure" fund only to watch it dry up because the "secure" part was a
bit of a scam. You're out thousands of dollars and no number of
bullets will hold the responsible executives accountable.

Whether you believe me or not, check out "People Get Screwed All the
Time" by Robert Massi. It's more disturbing than a Steven King novel.

RobertSigmund · Aug 12, 2008

Freedom of photography is, I think, a very good yardstick of general freedom in a society.

I am a liberal and would therefore say: What you are entitled to see you may also photograph.

I know that reality is different and therefore serious photographers will face severe difficulties. Not only in China, unfortunately.

Chato · Aug 12, 2008

Rootbeer said:
borisboomboom said:

dave...i'm not aware of any study on the matter. here's what i do
know, that my my polling places will not ask me for any form of ID.
they merely ask me my name and address. given the above, fraud is
certainly possible, in particular in areas where low voter turnout is
the norm. but i'm opposed to this practice on principle alone. i
think it's un-American.

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The Georgia Thompson prosecution

In January 2006, under Biskupic's direction Ms. Georgia Thompson a Wisconsin state procurement supervisor was prosecuted for corruption charges related to a state travel contract. She was convicted and sentenced to eighteen months. This conviction; however, was recently thrown out by a appellate court panel in Chicago after 20 minutes of oral argument. Jason Stein from the Wisconsin State Journal notes:

"In a stunning reversal, a federal court of appeals struck down a state worker's fraud conviction that Wisconsin Republicans used in efforts to paint Gov. Jim Doyle's administration as corrupt. Attorneys on both sides of the case said the three-judge panel likely overruled the trial jury's conviction of former state purchasing officer Georgia Thompson within hours of oral arguments due to a simple lack of evidence. The decision by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, which will explain the judges' reasoning, was not immediately available. During oral arguments Thursday, one of the members the three-judge panel said the charges against Thompson were unfounded. "I have to say it strikes me that your evidence is beyond thin", federal Appeals Judge Diane Wood told prosecutors. "I'm not sure what your actual theory in this case is."[5]

[edit] Update on Appeals written opinion

In an April 20, 2007 article TPM muckraker reporter Paul Kiel noted:"the federal appeals court released its written opinion on the case. And it wasn't any more sparing than the verbal remarks (e.g. that the evidence was "beyond thin") of the judges when they made the ruling. The prosecution was based on a reading of the law by which "simple violations of administrative rules [by bureaucrats] would become crimes", the judges wrote. By that interpretation, "it is a federal crime for any official in state or local government to take account of political considerations when deciding how to spend public money" -- a "preposterous" idea, they wrote."[6] Mr. Kiel also notes that the House Judiciary Committee has now invited Biskupic to tell his story to Congress. Gregory Stanford from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel frames the concern about the unknowns surrounding this case and its importance for all citizens thusly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Biskupic

borisboomboom · Aug 12, 2008

your government is not our government.

but to hear you gripe, I'd think things were really bad. what's wrong, your socialized medicine isn't enough to keep you happy up there in the land of milk and honey?

jezsik said:
I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our
government).

borisboomboom · Aug 12, 2008

jezsik said:
Being victimized by a corporation or government, on the other hand,
can not be avoided. Meticulous records keeping can help, but once
your identity has been stolen you can lose your life savings, your
reputation and your family.

i've heard of criminals stealing ID, but not the governments or corporations. fwiw, several services available that help folks prevent ID fraud in the first place.

jezsik said:
No doubt you've heard stories of innocent people spending years in
jail for a crime they didn't commit. Does that frighten you? It
scares the pidoodle out of ME 'cause there's no way to protect
yourself.

talk about irrational fear. i'm sure that statistics would show that anyone is far more likely to be a victim of violent crime vs. spending years in jail for a crime they didn't commit.

jezsik said:
What would happen if you did a presentation to a group of kids and
porn popped up on the projector? Never mind that the computer had
been hijacked by a worm and you were not at fault. Never mind that it
wasn't even your computer. You endangered children. You stand to lose
your job and spend some quality time (like ten years) inspecting the
local prison system. Tell me how your guns are going to help you here.

again, extremely far-fetched...1- that it would even happen and 2- that it wouldn't get sorted it out, if it did.

jezsik said:
What would happen if you invested your retirement in a highly rated
"secure" fund only to watch it dry up because the "secure" part was a
bit of a scam. You're out thousands of dollars and no number of
bullets will hold the responsible executives accountable.

Whether you believe me or not, check out "People Get Screwed All the
Time" by Robert Massi. It's more disturbing than a Steven King novel.

does he address all the people that get mugged and robbed?

jezsik · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
your government is not our government.

Oh? And by which brilliant feats of deductive reasoning do you arrive at that conclusion?

borisboomboom said:
but to hear you gripe, I'd think things were really bad.

Depends on your definition of really bad, doesn't it? How's the price of gas? Really good or really bad? How's the US dollar trading? Really good, or really bad? How's the housing market looking, really good or really bad? How's the banking industry doing, really good or really bad? How's consumer confidence? How's the national debt doing? How happy are the armed forces?

borisboomboom said:
what's wrong, your socialized medicine isn't enough to keep
you happy up there in the land of milk and honey?

Sorry, but are you attempting to make a point? If so, you've failed completely. If you're not trying to make a point, please, amuse yourself elsewhere.

mamallama · Aug 12, 2008

Rootbeer said:
I do the majority of my work in Milwaukee County, where crime is on
the rise, and our public officials aren't doing squat about it other
than asking people not to victimize others./ not much of a plan..

It's not just Milwaukee County, crime is on the rise everywhere in the US. It's directly related to the US economy that has been run into the ground by this Republican administration. Crime of all types, but especially violent crime is directly related to the jobless rate which is economy driven. Your national public officials are doing something about it; they are aiding and abetting the increase in crime by continuing to drive this economy into the ground.

Now it's not just where you reside, it's everywhere. It spreads into the affluent neighborhood when the economy is really bad as it is now. The current "fad" is takeover robberies in good restaurants. So when you go dining at a restaurant, you should pack some heat.

--mamallama

jezsik · Aug 12, 2008

borisboomboom said:
i've heard of criminals stealing ID, but not the governments or
corporations. fwiw, several services available that help folks
prevent ID fraud in the first place.

You mean like "free credit report dot com"? No they don't steal your identity, they just ... well, I'll let you conduct your own research to see how companies like these work really hard to bilk people out of their money using legal loopholes and questionable policies. You may want to start at http://www.consumerist.com .

borisboomboom said:
talk about irrational fear. i'm sure that statistics would show that
anyone is far more likely to be a victim of violent crime vs.
spending years in jail for a crime they didn't commit.

Except that violent crime can generally be avoided. Unless you live in a cave, you can't prevent being victimized by a soulless corporate and legal system. Sure, your chance of being put in jail is not very high, but the chance of your having your identity stolen is much higher than you realize.

borisboomboom said:
borisboomboom said:

What would happen if you did a presentation to a group of kids and
porn popped up on the projector? Never mind that the computer had
been hijacked by a worm and you were not at fault. Never mind that it
wasn't even your computer. You endangered children. You stand to lose
your job and spend some quality time (like ten years) inspecting the
local prison system. Tell me how your guns are going to help you here.

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again, extremely far-fetched...1- that it would even happen and 2-
that it wouldn't get sorted it out, if it did.

Don't bet on it, buster. Check out the story of Julie Amero, a substitute teacher in Connecticut.

The problem is that it really ISN'T far fetched. Legal systems (the government) too easily become bureaucratic juggernauts crushing all in its path.

borisboomboom said:
borisboomboom said:

Whether you believe me or not, check out "People Get Screwed All the
Time" by Robert Massi. It's more disturbing than a Steven King novel.

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does he address all the people that get mugged and robbed?

ALL the people? Wow, you're really into extremism, aren't you? How could a book POSSIBLY address all the people who are mugged and robbed? You know, I'd accept that kind of question from a second-grader, but maybe I give you too much credit. For your edification, he does discuss situations where people are robbed. Wanna know the interesting part? The robbery was insignificant to what happened later.

Tell me something, how many times in the past ten years - no - make that twenty years, have you been accosted by a mugger with a gun? I don't mean someone walking on the street with you and you were all scared, I mean someone coming right up to you brandishing a weapon. How many times in the past twenty years?

kevin wilkins · Aug 12, 2008

i say he did the right thing, through the paranoia into the media and make this lady feel stupid.

the world needs to know that unless you can prove the wrong doing its not worth accusing someone.

ive had odd looks, people hiding and sa far no confrontations. if its not an important image then if they object before the photo then i will leave and if i have taken the photo i will just say its to late i got a picture and then turn the camera off. safe in the knowledge that the law allows me to keep the photo

--
if you can imagine the picture, then do all you can to make it

OldNick · Aug 12, 2008

Interesting when it's put that way. If I can stand there and see it, why can't I see it again?

When I see some of the stuff shown on TV "in the public interest" (love that term) where people who are in absolute misery or degradation are harassed and publicised, I really wonder what harm a photo can do, and what percentage of photos are misused.

I suppose there is the problem that the people in a public place (or a private place where the public are allowed) expect to be seen by people that are "decent" in their eyes, by and large, and to limit that audience. The Web has allowed a lot more other people to see them, without control or choice, for ever.

Is that last part the fear, rather than actual perversion?

Nick

father called a "pervert" for photographing own children in park

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