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father called a "pervert" for photographing own children in park
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borisboomboom
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if history is any indicator, America will continue to be number ONE. it will innovate, take responsibility and tackle, head on, all challenges, even if the ignorant children break from their video games to elect a socialist president.
Jeppe76 wrote:
What will become of America?
Jeppe76 wrote:
What will become of America?
Helge Hafting
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Jim Ford
Senior Member
There's a generation growing up that won't have pictures of them when they were young, in public places - which is where many 'fun with the family' photos are taken.
I was looking out a window at the secondary school where I work, at the sports day of the primary school children who share the field. In days gone by, there would have been a camera in the hand of every parent watching, to record the event. Now, none of the parents take cameras.
There's going to be a great gap in the photographic archives in future, that in the past would have had images of children's events.
Jim
I was looking out a window at the secondary school where I work, at the sports day of the primary school children who share the field. In days gone by, there would have been a camera in the hand of every parent watching, to record the event. Now, none of the parents take cameras.
There's going to be a great gap in the photographic archives in future, that in the past would have had images of children's events.
Jim
Brian D. Schneider
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borisboomboom wrote:
elect a socialist president.
--Best thing than could happen to the U.S.
Brian Schneider
elect a socialist president.
--Best thing than could happen to the U.S.
Brian Schneider
Obama is about as "Socialist" as McCain. In the new world we live in, supporting the public library is a step on the road to Communism. Asking for a living wage law, is called Stalinism, and those who want universal health care are supporters of Pol Pot...
Mr. Obama has swung so far to the right that the "substantive" debate now consists of accusing each other of being "celebrities."
Dave
Brian D. Schneider
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--True, but he is still the best choice.Obama is about as "Socialist" as McCain. In the new world we live in,
supporting the public library is a step on the road to Communism.
Asking for a living wage law, is called Stalinism, and those who want
universal health care are supporters of Pol Pot...
Mr. Obama has swung so far to the right that the "substantive" debate
now consists of accusing each other of being "celebrities."
Dave
Brian Schneider
After eight years of Mr. Bush, I wonder why anyone wants to be President.--True, but he is still the best choice.Obama is about as "Socialist" as McCain. In the new world we live in,
supporting the public library is a step on the road to Communism.
Asking for a living wage law, is called Stalinism, and those who want
universal health care are supporters of Pol Pot...
Mr. Obama has swung so far to the right that the "substantive" debate
now consists of accusing each other of being "celebrities."
Dave
Perhaps he is.
But I don't fear Mr. McCain as I do Mr. Bush. He's promised to cease vetoing laws with signing statements, he's pledged to close down Guantanamo - He seems to respect the Constitution.
The 21th Century calls for another Roosevelt. Sad that we are reduced to this kind of choice.
But don't be too sure that he's going to win...
"When you run a Republican against a Republican, the real Republican will win every time"
Harry Truman
Dave
borisboomboom
Senior Member
right...the best choice (most likely) to raise taxes, increase national bureaucracy, and redistribute wealth. and foreign policy...can you say OJT?
but dave is right...obama's language is certainly moving towards the center. he's realizing what's needed to get elected and like most politicians he'll say ANYTHING to do it. what he'd actually do if elected is anyone's guess, but if he decided to revert to his radical-left, america-is-so-unfair, south-side chicago ways (knowing full well he could kiss a second term goodbye) he might be capable of some real damage to our great nation.
but this race is his to lose. obama's handlers must be near cardiac arrest each time he opens his mouth. no wonder he won't debate mccain! this guy is simply pathetic when off teleprompter...stammering, stuttering, searching for words and ideas, only to come up with "america is no longer what it could be, what it once was". outrageous, garbage statements like this are so wrong on so many different levels, that it's hard to believe he's given a pass by the mainstream media, along with the less astute, political-nowhere folks.
but dave is right...obama's language is certainly moving towards the center. he's realizing what's needed to get elected and like most politicians he'll say ANYTHING to do it. what he'd actually do if elected is anyone's guess, but if he decided to revert to his radical-left, america-is-so-unfair, south-side chicago ways (knowing full well he could kiss a second term goodbye) he might be capable of some real damage to our great nation.
but this race is his to lose. obama's handlers must be near cardiac arrest each time he opens his mouth. no wonder he won't debate mccain! this guy is simply pathetic when off teleprompter...stammering, stuttering, searching for words and ideas, only to come up with "america is no longer what it could be, what it once was". outrageous, garbage statements like this are so wrong on so many different levels, that it's hard to believe he's given a pass by the mainstream media, along with the less astute, political-nowhere folks.
jezsik
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On the job training? What do you mean, that Obama doesn't have enough experience? C'mon, years of doing a mediocre job (McCain) or years doing a bad job (pre-president Bush) hardly qualifies someone to be a president, no?
As far as taxes go, uh, how the heck do you think we're paying for the occupation of Iraq? We're maxing out our credit cards and at some point we're going to have to pay for the Republican war.
Actually, he's pretty much already in the center. The problem is that the US is generally right-leaning to begin with.
Radical left? Are you serious? Can you give me some examples of radical left ways? Do you consider universal health care (which is common in England, Switzerland, France and Japan) to be radical?
Really? More than Bush's buddies did? I mean, given the robustness of the American economy, those guys REALLY had to work at it to damage the country.
No disrespect intended (seriously), but how do you define "great"?
Really? Have you seen the record of the stuff McCain says? Of course Bush sets the gold standard for inability to link words together coherently, but McCain has said some astonishingly ridiculous things.
Rootbeer
Senior Member
Me too, but I try to keep in shape and eat well.
....Same here. Hence the reason why I wear a seat belt, and obey the laws of the road.
....Me too, hence the reason why I lock my doors, and pack a Beretta with a 15 round clip filled with hollow point bullets for warning shots, if that is possible.. I also have a revolver that fires 410 shotgun shells that if legal, I'd keep in my car for close range defense, like a car-jacking situation.
....LOL, I have a plan, and a real means of self defense while you are a sitting duck.
....You are right, and I am well armed because I value my life, and wellbeing, as well as the lives of others as well. If only Jim Doyle would not veto my right to carry a gun without being arrested in Wisconsin, I'd be able to help protect other people from lawless individuals too, simply by the threat to criminals of not knowing who is armed or not, which has driven down violent crime in every State where carry permits are allowed.
....First of all, I don't want some criminal to decide for me when it will be my time to die. Just because I carry a nice camera, and a wallet filled with CCs, and $, doesn't mean that he has the right to decide it's time for me to die just so he can have the means of affording his crack addiction.
Second, I take pictures in public, just because you don't doesn't mean that I should not. My job is taking pictures in public for publishers. In the course of my job I have had my LIFE threatened by lawless individuals ranging from gang-bangers, to over-reactive people who normally follow the law. Maybe you live in a world where you aren't in danger of being car-jacked while traveling through a krappy part of town where hookers and drug addicted gang bangers roam.
What is your job like..? Are you in a safe cubical, or a safe class room, or a safe factory, or out in public, doing things that may inadvertently upset people who aren't "normal" / mentally ill, who may have their decisions influenced by alcohol or other drugs? FYI, I don't have any children. I don't run around taking pictures of other people's children, unless the assignment requires a shot that may involve children being in it. Additionally, sometimes other people's children get in my photos, and or maybe they are in public scenes that I am photographing. I take it you've never seen a newspaper..? Most of the threats however didn't involve me photographing children whatsoever.
JP
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Rootbeer
Senior Member
......No kidding, that is what the media is intended for. To tell stories. To inform people. I assume this individual wanted to share his experience in the media where he could tell many more people than he ever could on his own.
What do you feel he should do, keep quiet about it..? Keep it to himself..? Heck, I had a similar experience where I shared about it right here on DPReview.com that involved the Police officers from the City of Brookfield, Wisconsin who acted very unprofessionally towards me after responding to a "suspicious person" call. I've had several experiences with law enforcement officers in the past where they responded to similar calls where they acted professionally and left without incident. As a matter of fact, I recently wrote about one such incident on my Myspace page, which I include a photograph of a 21+ year old model who I photographed in a public place where the police were called and left us alone after he learned that we were legit. The Brookfield police department however, decided that since they couldn't arrest me, or get me upset in order to justify arresting me, they would ticket me for something really lame; not displaying my front plates. I'll bet they don't pull over every guy with a BMW for not displaying the ugly Wisconsin plate on the front bumper either.. They began pelting me with questions like "Do you have any children of your own", or "Imagine how the parents must feel because of you". A friend of mine who is a former police officer for the City of Milwaukee, and former professional photographer, who has had to deal with much more serious matters confirmed that the officers from The City of Brookfield conducted themselves inappropriately based on my side of the events that took place, which is backed up by my photos, and their own dispatch notes which I have a copy of.
......You know,...I just responded to you a second ago, where you tell me to not liver in fear. If I were to do what you are suggesting in every situation, I doubt if I would be alive today. There is a way to diffuse a situation, and getting in someone's face isn't one of them. You come across as a very reckless individual.
JP
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He wasn't THAT radical to begin with, and as he's moved to the Right, his numbers are dropping like a stone. He was in fact increasingly popular because he was taking popular positions. You might think that the tax burden should fall on the Middle Class, the American People do not. Nor do the American People want a continuation of our slavery to NAFTA and the WTO, and he's swtiched to McCains position here as well.
Now, it's hard to tell the difference between the two men, at least politically...
Since Obama is no longer promising change, he's created a choice between two personalities, no longer two positions.
At any rate, I WAS planning to vote from him, and I'll now vote for either Nader or Barr.
Dave
mamallama
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Now that's smart, wouldn't you say? To do otherwise would be dumb. Are you faulting him for being smart?
Lots of "ifs" there, but one thing is certain: While still great, this nation is not as great as it was 7 1/2 years ago. Bad economy, shrinking US dollar, Negative world opinion, stupid administration, ....
There WILL be a series of presidential debates after the conventions. And we shall see who stammer and stutter.
--mamallama
jezsik
Senior Member
It's funny, I don't know anyone who's been killed, or even injured, by a "crook." On the other hand, I know a few who have suffered from identity theft (and not from doing something stupid), a couple who lost significant amounts of money from the collapse of certain "sound" corporate organizations and one couple that lost their home as a result of a miscommunication. How do you protect against THAT?
I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our government).
I don't fear street thugs, I fear corporations and their lapdog (our government).
Rootbeer
Senior Member
...Obama is a Jr. Senator who was on the job for 6 months. Prior to that he was a community activist. Senator McCain served several terms as a US Senator, which are 6 year terms, He was also in WAR, unlike Obama who never even served, not even in a National Guard unit, but attended a church for 20 years where he listened to messages from a racist leader who clearly hates The United States of America. Thus you feel that Obama is qualified to be the leader of our Nation..? You can vote for Obama, I'm going to vote against you.
.....Oh, it's a "Republican War".. Thanks for being honest. I've long believed that if it were Gore's war, there wouldn't be an issue . BTW, most Democrats approved of this "Republican war" too.. I just you should be reminded of that. & thanks to the Surge that McCain supported long ago, even when it wasn't popular with Obama, has shown to be effective. I'm sorry, but it looks like you guys will have to wait longer than expected for the USA death toll to rise above 5,000. It's a shame you can't celebrate that sooner.. ;-)
JP
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Rootbeer
Senior Member
Oh, so my fear of violent crime is "irrational"..?
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537198
I do the majority of my work in Milwaukee County, where crime is on the rise, and our public officials aren't doing squat about it other than asking people not to victimize others./ not much of a plan..
I'll bet Jim Doyle thinks just like you do. He can afford to. He works & lives with protection from several armed state troopers. Now, why would that be..? Why are the police armed..? Why should they carry weapons to defend the lives of themselves and others if corporate crooks were the only criminals to be fearful of..?
My suggestion is to put a little more thought/ logic into your arguments.
JP
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borisboomboom
Senior Member
most liberal voting record aside, he and his wife continue to leak these racist, polarizing, divisive statements. they just can't seem to control themselves. i consider their over-the-top, trashing of America to be radical. snippets from their pasts indicate that they truly believe what they slip-say. and their academic-bread racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.
tax burden and middle class? come on... how do you think the chosen one's going to pay for universal health care? you think the middle class is burdened now?
obama supporter switching to nader or that other guy. sounds good.
tax burden and middle class? come on... how do you think the chosen one's going to pay for universal health care? you think the middle class is burdened now?
obama supporter switching to nader or that other guy. sounds good.
He's not in favor of Universal Health care - I only wish such was the case. If your not aware that taxes on working people and the Middle Class have gone up, what State do you live in? While my "benefit" from the Bush tax cuts consisted of an extra $100 bucks, the lowered Federal aid to the States have caused them (and the Cities and Counties) to raise THEIR taxes, and almost of all of that tax hike has been on working people and the Middle Class.
Obama's "liberal" voting record is a product of nothing liberal to vote on. Almost a no brainer. Russ Feingold, whose much more liberal than he is, has a far more "Conservative" voting record.
But the point has been made by another posted - Just who is going to Eventually pay for the Credit Card tab we've been building up for the past eight years?
While it seems to be a mantra to repeat the words, "Taxes are your money," I'm always left with the impression that the National Debt is owned by residents of Alpha Centauri... Which is good, because It's going to be real hell when the Chinese forclose...
Dave
borisboomboom
Senior Member
he claims he's canadian, so HOPEFULLY he won't be voting. but who knows, since many polling places won't dare ask you for ID, he could visit about that time and actually cast a vote.
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