E-3 Image quality -- a mild rant, and a challenge...

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I'm a firm believer that photographers need to use the type of equipment that works for them. All the major camera makers produce good quality cameras and lenses, each with strengths and weaknesses.

That said, I am really sick of posts I see by trolls on this forum, as well as rabid anti-four thirds detractors on some of the other forums, stating that the 'tiny' 4/3's sensor has condemned Olympus, et. al. to a dead end future of less than state-of-the-art image capture. I just read some lame post yesterday on the 'Open Talk' forum claiming that the Micro Four Thirds system is just a convenient way for Oly to back out of the 4/3's DSLR 'failure' into a P&S appeal system that (according to this self proclaimed photography sage) is likewise destined to fail.

Give me a break -- why all the negative anti Olympus bias from these wizards? Interestingly, most of these yahoos don't even have links to their own image galleries.

What does this post have to do with E-3 image quality? That's the challenge part. I challenge anyone who is the slightest bit objective (there's the rub) to visit the 'Imaging Resources' website, click on the camera comparison link, and compare the full sized "Indoor Portrait" image captured by the E-3 with ANY of the other cameras listed -- regardless of brand, or price. Then ask yourself, just how much image quality is being missed by the poor, uneducated four thirds shooters.

Now I'm sure that detractors will claim that all kinds of things could have influenced the outcome of the images on Imaging Resource's site. To that response I would say that I take the owner at his word that all images were captured under carefully controlled conditions to make the comparisons as valid as possible.

I really do wish that all the non-constuctive commentary would go away, and that those who prefer non-Olympus brands would just go out and actually take some pictures with their preferred cameras, rather than waste everyone's time beating the anti-Olympus/anti-four thirds drum.

God Bless,
Greg
http://www.imagismphotos.com
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A lot of the (just a bit smaller) "small" sensor critics have no galleries. What does that say?

:-)

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Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
I compared the E3 Indoor Portrait image to the Nikon D300, Nikon D3, and the Canon 5D. In my opinion, the E3 image was quite a bit sharper and had better skin tone.

The model they used doesn't quite have "flawless" skin so I could see where someone might say they prefer the softer D300, D3, or 5D images. This is ridiculous of course.

I'll take the color accurate, sharp E3 image any day over the other cameras. And if I need to soften a model's skin due to imperfections, I'll do that in Photoshop.

Thanks for the link. I'm sure I'll refer back to it in the future.

Brent J
 
I often suffer similar frustrations and I'm still shooting with a 5mp camera! I try my hardest, as I'm sure do you, to ignore those posts and move on and continue to shoot with the gear that satisfies me and those who view my prints.

I think that the images posted in the Weekly or Sunday threads on this Forum speak for themselves and that we do not need to justify, in any way, the gear we've chosen for professional use (in your case) or for our own pleasure (in my case).

I recently sent a print, 11x14, to my Neice that was a 40% crop of an image made with my E-1. It was a sunset with a sailboat about to dock and the detail in that image impressed me and everyone who's seen it.

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Greg,

Yep the clients are always happy with the brochures and the large prints we issue...("great colours and really sharp")......better not tell them we use amongst other cameras an E3! We'd be out of work as fast as you could say "AA-filter" :)

best,
dab1
 
I compared the E3 Indoor Portrait image to the Nikon D300, Nikon D3,
and the Canon 5D. In my opinion, the E3 image was quite a bit sharper
and had better skin tone.
I just went and did the same out of curiosity. I don't see how any honest person with good eyesight could agree with you. Look at the hair, forehead, etc. for detail.
And if I need to soften a model's skin due to imperfections,
I'll do that in Photoshop.
Not trying to troll here-- but from the looks of those images, you could start by shooting with an E-3. ;)
 
forget it
that clown doesnt even do digital
turns out his idea of FF is a $20 junkshop clockwork film camera

hes neither an industry commentator or an acknowledged camera messiah
he doesnt have any inside inf, he makes up most of what he says
then he cuts and runs when the heat comes on

life in this joint is a whole lot better in recent times
moderators have been busy scrapping the more obnoxious posts
and banning the clearest offenders
on a repeated basis its a permanent ban and they try to make it stick

what to do? complain if they offend and break the rules
or chopper in for a quiet word

i use the army method,
recon the ground, lay quiet and figure out the firepower
get a cav unit to carry out some probing
then poor on the artillery, mortars and minmi
infantry infill on the flanks, never from the front
if it all goes wrong get on the tacbe for air support

....so if i suddenly disappear, you know why :)

for an experience
go check out this site for images
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/sigma-sd14-comparativa,1_3394
most of the way down the page is studio comparison using a model,
not of E3 but 510, 5D, SD14 and some sort of pentax

download the full size images, and just see if you can determine such a great difference to what some of these tossers claim

--
Riley

in my home, the smoke alarm is the dinner bell (just)
 
Yep. I took another look at it. I'm using the "Comparometer". In the split screen I have the E3 Indoor Portrait on one side and the Nikon D3 Indoor Portrait on the other. There is quite a bit more detail in the E3 shot. (I'm using a Dell 2000FP Ultra Sharp Monitor)

If you really think the D3 shot has more detail...well, I'm not going to call you crazy but maybe you have a problem with your monitor. If anybody else reading this wants to offer their opinion, please do. (I realize this is the Olympus forum so it'll probably favor the E3 image)

Here is a link to Imaging Resource:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Like I said before, maybe some people don't want such a sharp image when the model doesn't have smooth skin.

That's my opinion, I could be wrong.

Brent Jolly
 
I was looking at the 5D file, sorry. In any event I think they're both nice.
Yep. I took another look at it. I'm using the "Comparometer". In the
split screen I have the E3 Indoor Portrait on one side and the Nikon
D3 Indoor Portrait on the other. There is quite a bit more detail in
the E3 shot. (I'm using a Dell 2000FP Ultra Sharp Monitor)

If you really think the D3 shot has more detail...well, I'm not going
to call you crazy but maybe you have a problem with your monitor. If
anybody else reading this wants to offer their opinion, please do. (I
realize this is the Olympus forum so it'll probably favor the E3
image)

Here is a link to Imaging Resource:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Like I said before, maybe some people don't want such a sharp image
when the model doesn't have smooth skin.

That's my opinion, I could be wrong.

Brent Jolly
 
If you look at this poster's profile, I think that says it all. Personal taste is one thing -- it's totally subjective. Sharpness and detail are another thing -- those issues are objective. If sharpness and detail aren't two critical aspects of a camera system's imaging capabilities then all testing is a subjective joke and I've been totally confused and misled for the past 25 years.

The point of my reference to the Imaging Resource comparometer is not to belittle any other brand, but is rather intended to point out that it's perfectly correct for Oly users to claim image quality as one of their criteria for using the Olympus system. Irrespective of the nonsense post above, you know and I know that the majority of viewers with decent eyesight would choose the E-3 images as the sharpest and most detailed image, on that particular site anyway.

God Bless,
Greg
http://www.imagismphotos.com
http://www.pbase.com/daddyo
 
I think these review/comparison sites can be misleading at times anyway. Look at the endless bickering over the stuffed rabbit's fur, caused by dcwatch.impress or whatever that site is.
 
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Riley

in my home, the smoke alarm is the dinner bell (just)
 
I'm inclined to prefer Phil's tests for the better control and consistency between shots.

At any rate, this just comes to prove how pointless and outdated pixel-peeping ISO100 jpg images is. Each system as it's strengths and it's weaknesses. In that light, such comparisons are worthless. dSLRs have come a long way. As they say, horses for courses.

Forums should not be about CONVINCING the other how wrong he is and how right you are but about SHARING experiences.

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Greg,

I totally agree with you, and I simply can't understand why people feel compelled to criticize and belittle other people's choices -- no matter if it is about a camera, a car or whatever.

I do think there is a psychological aspect to all this, however. Perhaps people use their cameras like a crutch: for instance, a Nikon dSLR owner expects his camera to produce better images simply because it is a Nikon; such a reputable, highly regarded brand and so on. What they forget is that the camera doesn't make the photographer -- and a better camera doesn't make a better photographer.

It thus proceeds that it becomes unacceptable to these people that fantastic images can be produced with anything other than a Nikon. And when this happens, they feel a need to trash the other brand -- once more forgetting that behind every camera there is a photographer.

So I think the trolling results from insecurity. Criticize other brands to feel better about the brand choice they made. It's pathetic.

As you said, within your means choose the equipment that better suits your needs, no matter which brand it is. I've had bridge cameras from four different brands. They were chosen because they offered me resources I needed / wanted at the time. Some of the choices I made were better than others, and that goes for everything in life -- so if I made a bad choice, I only have myself to blame.

My conclusion: it's all about human nature. Sad, isn't it.
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Elsie
'The more I want to get something done, the less I call it work.' - R.B.
 
Some of the differences are also explainable by differences in lighting, DOF and/or focus.
 
Check the focal lengths and aperture values in EXIF and you'll see there is no equivalence at all. I don't know what they mean saying they take "great care" with their comparison shots.

Self illusion and psychology are also added to the mix. To me it seems as some are ready start it all over again claiming that the E-3 can resolve more than the 5D or the D3...

oh well,

Why is it we see so many posts having as provocative as meaningless topic titles? To me it seems as they are made for starting long threads with people arguing with each other for nothing.

--
Jonas
 
I had bother with my E3's and had to get a D300. The E3 has no competition when it comes to portraits. To my mind it is the best portrait cam you can buy. The colours are fantastic, the skin tones are pleasing and they have that 3D look Nikon users can only dream about.
 

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