Nikon's D700....interesting times ahead!

I can only imagine what Canon will bring in the 5D replacement.

Interesting times ahead; competition is healthy; & a benefit for the consumer: US!

The feature set should keep Canon on their toes & give us a better body than that of the 5D; we'll wait & see.

As a user of both systems I'm looking forward to Canon's next release in the FF arena.
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I am only afraid that Canon will need to go back again to the drawing board for the third time in a row now. If the 5DMKII is underspecced compared to the D700. It wouldn't make any sense for them to release it this summer. Not good for the consumer, but it would be for their investors...

On the other hand all the camera manufacturers somewhat know of eachother what's in the pipline of their competitors. This release of the D700 might well be the exact reason why Canon pulled the release of their 5D follow-up last january.

CM_laptop said:

I can only imagine what Canon will bring in the 5D replacement.

Interesting times ahead; competition is healthy; & a benefit for the
consumer: US!

The feature set should keep Canon on their toes & give us a better
body than that of the 5D; we'll wait & see.

As a user of both systems I'm looking forward to Canon's next release
in the FF arena.
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When Nikon lost almost all sales to Canon, their lack of response was not due to lack of interest but due to lack of ability.

Trust me, if Canon had known how to fix the Af problems, they would've.

If they could make good wide angle lenses, they would. There are many other areas where they now trail a bit, and it is not certain that they can keep up just because they need to. Just the way nikon couldn't.

Now, the really good news is that any camera made the last 5 years or so can produce excellent images, so it's only a nuicanse for us photographers, those who merely look at the images are not likely to notice much difference, if any.

Cheers

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Anders

'It is nice to be important but it is more important to be nice'

...just grab your ff and go shooting...

Whatever will show up from Canon or Sony in ff area, theres no chance to lose for us.

Thats the good point

Until recently Canon has had very little incentive in doing anything about the 5D. They more or less created the market segment 3 or 4 years ago, and nobody followed immediately, so they just kept making hay while the sun shone. Now that everyone has caught on (Nikon would not invest in developing the D700 if their market intelligence told them the market was small or unprofitable), and they want a piece of a significant pie that Canon has had to themselves it will be interesting to see how they respond.

The semi pro FF market may actually displace, as price competition stiffens, the prosumer cropped sensor area of the 40D and D300, Sony 700etc, as everyone will want one, APS-C's probably now looking at being in the $1000 region in future rather than $2000 plus.
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hehe, would have liked a new sensor, but nonetheless, there it is. Let's see if you can match. No weather sealing and you'll have sealed your fate!
(pardon the bad pun)

Frank

...OMG! You can get a 5D for $2K (or less), nowadays... in a segment that has not really sold that many cams, anyway...

D700: a little too late in the game.

PIX

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Who knows what will sell?

OR what the manufacturers think?

After all, no one really could predict that Canon would release a camera that couldn't AF in good weather a few years ago...but that's what they did

Those tricky engineers are full of surprices

And now Nikon have given their users the option to pay two different amounts of money for what is basically the same camera for most users. Didn't see that coming either
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PIXmantra said:

...OMG! You can get a 5D for $2K (or less), nowadays... in a segment
that has not really sold that many cams, anyway...

D700: a little too late in the game.

PIX

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I agree with you......without getting carried away with
all the excitement, 5D is now selling around $2k

its a great time to get a 5D, if I were waiting around for a Nikon full frame

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I hear you, but then I was thinking...I made these images the other day with my "obsolete" 5d and "old" 135 2.0/L and "out-of-date" 35 1.4/L. Not sure what a new, modern D700 with whatever lens could have improved. Color me satisfied. Yes, I'm eager to see what Canon comes up with, but mostly for pride's sake (I like to wave the Canon flag), not because I really need a new camera with new features!









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I hope that is true when the 5D replacement is released, but it may not be a $2k camera either.

...But I bet less would be the right move, here, as it will make the D700 really hard to sell, indeed.

PIX

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'What we do in life, echoes in eternity...'

Here's some speculation, based on what people have told me who are in a position to know...

Canon was close to unveiling a 5D successor last year - at Photokina? The big Autumn/Fall show, whichever that was - but pulled it at the last minute because it didn't have Live View and everyone else was launching models that did.

It was planning to unveil a revised version, with LV, this Spring, but pulled it when it heard about the spec/price mix of the D700.

IMHO the company needs to come up with something truly pioneering so it doesn't find itself NPD constantly lagging the competition.

Great shots Jeff and excellent gallery.

I have the 35 f1.4 too but am a bit disappointed with CAs higher than I expected. I use the latest iteration of DPP for PP and it doesn't completely elimination the CAs. How do you get round them? Otherwise my lens is pin sharp with deep rich colours. I bought it really to use with a FF camera (I love a fast 35mm lens on FF) but currently use it with a 40D. I'll wait to see what the 5D MkII delivers before deciding whether to go with the MkI, which is great VFM at the moment.

Michael

There was no Photokina last year. It's bi-annual.

I agree that Canon is playing catch-up. When it had market leadership for so long in DSLRs, it succumbed to complacency, which is the Achilles heel of all market leaders. Now it's just reacting to events which is usually a recipe for mistakes, with products being rushed to market before they've been properly and rigorously tested. Hence the 1D MkIII.

Michael

PIXmantra said:

...OMG! You can get a 5D for $2K (or less), nowadays... in a segment
that has not really sold that many cams, anyway...

D700: a little too late in the game.

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What you are missing is that there are a lot of Nikon shooters that did
not switch to Canon, and are using their Nikkor lenses on DX cameras.
They would buy a D700.

It is not (only) about winning new market share. It is also about
"milking" own customers, and of course also about stopping the
migration to Canon (which the D3 and D300 undoubtedly helped
stop already).

Nikon is probably gearing towards having a similar setup as Canon:
two pro bodies, one with a high-density sensor and one with a
low-density sensor but high ISO and speed, and a third, semi-pro,
lighter body more focussed on IQ that on other features.

Canon's 5D replacement is probably about to come, and will also
cost more than what the 5D now costs.

best
Roberto

PIXmantra said:

...But I bet less would be the right move, here, as it will make the
D700 really hard to sell, indeed.

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One owes you respect for maintaining the fanboi- dom as long as you do. This is quite an achievement. It must have been quite hard for you these months. 1ds3 put to shame, a wave of agencies, sport pro shooters switching over to Nikon D3 and Canon loosing ground in the professional world (no only due to quality problems, that's true, corporate attitude was contributing a lot too)...

After a few years of advance (this is what it actually was) Canon has hit a kind of quality brick wall, specially in the pro segment, it is particulary their top 1d line that has become so vulnerable. And naturally now that they cannot keep the competition of coming closer and closer. Not everbody tries to convince himself by saying that it is just Nikon's better marketing, and actually, here in Germany the only camera maker that is making strong advertisement is Canon. For the 400/450d mostly.

Hey, 10min ago I read the blog entry on diglloyd about the 1ds3 noise in ISO200. Well.. well.. well... there were days when things were brighter for Canon. But I guess they will survive nevertheless. There is room for more than one

regards
Bernie

This looks to be a sweet camera. If I hadn't already invested in Canon glass I would definitely look at this camera over the current 5D. I particularly like the ability to use both FF lenses and 1.5x crop lenses on the same camera. Add to that 8 fps and the weather sealing / build advantages of a proffessional camera, ISO up to 256000... very nice.

With statements like this, in light of Nikon's announcement, Canon is living in the past! The Nikon is $1000 dollars more, yet has actual, tangable modern features. And if it's IQ is close, then you have a more rounded camera which people will buy. Who cares about $1000 difference, if the IQ is close and you get a better body and feature set, you end up the decision: do I want to buy old tech(and in DSLR terms, the 5D is really old) or do I want to buy new. At this point, it doesn't matter if Canon has already "been there", Nikon is the company that is on a roll and showing of the two that it is the most "improved" company. Sure Nikon had to get their act together, but just the same, Canon needs no be showing that they still have the huge lead their rabid, raving fanboys love to always state. Now do you really think Canon can produce something that is once again 3 years ahead without cutting into their 1D line that they are so afraid to touch. Something that is going to leapfrog Nikon. Nikon had nowhere to go but up, but that still doesn't excuse Canon. They created the affordable FF segment, they had the huge lead, they had the time, yet will most likely squander it, in part due to their roadmap and current lineup, with a model that should have been out a year ago.

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It sounds as though the D700 is the perfect cam between the two. How many people really need 9 fps and who wants noisy 1.6 if you can have super clean FF for $1K more? The D700 size and weight are also much more appealing than the D3. It would seem to me the D700 will dampen sales for the D3 and D300. Interesting strategy by Nikon but one would think they know what they're doing.

Bob
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