Linux users - dpreview's lost tribe

Karl Piers

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dpreview provides no specific forum for Linux users. The current division between "Mac Talk" and "PC Talk" is unfortunate, since it conflates hardware and operating systems.

I would like to request a redivision to "Mac Talk", "Windows Talk", and "Linux Talk".
 
I think PC talk would be the correct forum. I understand your point as Macs these days are just PCs with OS X (Windows and Linux sometimes) so the main differential seems to be the OS

I think its a history thing where a couple of years back buying a Mac meant that you had a whole different system based on PPC™ architecture, really setting them aside in the consumer marketplace.
I wonder what percentage of users use Linux for photography?
I use Mac and Windows personally.
Mark
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http://www.photo-utopia.blogspot.com/
 
dpreview provides no specific forum for Linux users. The current
division between "Mac Talk" and "PC Talk" is unfortunate, since it
conflates hardware and operating systems.
I would like to request a redivision to "Mac Talk", "Windows Talk",
and "Linux Talk".
That would be nice. Even though I don't look for Linux + photography - related information that often in Dpreview (I do use Linux almost exclusively, but I mostly gather the information I need from Usenet/the sites of various applications themselves), it would be convenient to have those discussions in one place, instead of having to search for them in all forums.
 
This, of course, is the problem, dpreview's forum structure pushes us off to other sites. The Linux posts referenced from dpreview's search function are scattered across every forum, making it more difficult to link up on common themes.
 
and type in "Linux". You'll see 18,583+ posts referenced...
And then compare it to other searches:

Windows: 283,719
Mac: 218,854
XP: 91,116
Apple: 90,163
Microsoft: 33,609
Vista: 31,957
Linux: 18,555
iPod: 17,935

So there's fifteen times as many posts about Windows as there are for Linux, and about eleven times as many for Mac. The number of posts about Linux is only slightly more than iPod, so if there's a Linux forum, there ought to be an iPod forum too.
 
and type in "Linux". You'll see 18,583+ posts referenced...
And then compare it to other searches:

Windows: 283,719
Mac: 218,854
XP: 91,116
Apple: 90,163
Microsoft: 33,609
Vista: 31,957
Linux: 18,555
iPod: 17,935

So there's fifteen times as many posts about Windows as there are for
Linux, and about eleven times as many for Mac.
Sure, Linux is still not exactly a mainstream OS, and probably fewer still use it for photography - related tasks. On the other hand, some of the existing forums seem to have just a couple of times more posts than the cited quick approximation of Linux-related posts: Leica forum had 61750 posts, Ricoh forum 50167 posts, Pentax forum 42634 and other digicams forum 32915. Combined with the fairly safe guess of Linux still increasing its usage share (albeit slowly) for now, the idea of Linux forum doesn't seem completely absurd to me.
 
So there's fifteen times as many posts about Windows as there are for
Linux, and about eleven times as many for Mac. The number of posts
about Linux is only slightly more than iPod, so if there's a Linux
forum, there ought to be an iPod forum too.
Meanwhile, a search for 'John' in the Open Talk forum returns 374,755 results. So I guess by the numbers there should be a forum for people named 'John'?

iPods have very little to do with photography. On the other hand, probably 99% of digital camera users use a general purpose computer with an operating system. This is why there are computer boards here - and it's also why dividing them by operating system rather than (near-identical) hardware makes more sense.
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http://flickr.com/photos/iskender
 
The administrators always say that they don't have time to read all of the forums, and tell people to use the feedback form for site suggestions.

If you want a Linux forum: use the form, and remember to be polite.

I already submitted my suggestion.
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http://flickr.com/photos/iskender
 
Sure, Linux is still not exactly a mainstream OS, and probably fewer
still use it for photography - related tasks. On the other hand, some
of the existing forums seem to have just a couple of times more posts
than the cited quick approximation of Linux-related posts: Leica
forum had 61750 posts....
Remember the Leica forum only opened 18 months ago, the PC forum started in 1999 (I think).
Mark

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http://www.photo-utopia.blogspot.com/
 
iPods have very little to do with photography.
Actually, iPods have a lot to do with photography. Other than the shuffle, an iPod is very convenient to store and display photos, and prior to the current models, could be used to copy images off memory cards instead of carrying a laptop (although not a particularly effective one since they weren't really designed for that).
 
Sure, Linux is still not exactly a mainstream OS, and probably fewer
still use it for photography - related tasks. On the other hand, some
of the existing forums seem to have just a couple of times more posts
than the cited quick approximation of Linux-related posts: Leica
forum had 61750 posts....
Remember the Leica forum only opened 18 months ago, the PC forum
started in 1999 (I think).
True. And my comparison wasn't really completely fair in general, as there are of course many comments about Leica and the others outside their corresponding forums as well (for example, in case of Leica, the total is 93131).
 
and type in "Linux". You'll see 18,583+ posts referenced...
And then compare it to other searches:

Windows: 283,719
Mac: 218,854
XP: 91,116
Apple: 90,163
Microsoft: 33,609
Vista: 31,957
Linux: 18,555
iPod: 17,935

So there's fifteen times as many posts about Windows as there are for
Linux, and about eleven times as many for Mac. The number of posts
about Linux is only slightly more than iPod, so if there's a Linux
forum, there ought to be an iPod forum too.
Unfortunately this thread is very likely to be taken over by trolls ... such is dpreview sometimes.

The suggestion is simply to add a forum for Linux, the numbers I quoted show there is substantial interest in Linux. If Linux makes you feel so uncomfortable, then the idea of separating out our posts from yours may give you some comfort. Bear in mind, no-one's trying to persuade you to change your o/s, or what you do. We'd just like a forum for Linux.
 
The administrators always say that they don't have time to read all
of the forums, and tell people to use the feedback form for site
suggestions.

If you want a Linux forum: use the form, and remember to be polite.

I already submitted my suggestion.
--
http://flickr.com/photos/iskender
I'm over a year in front of you on this one. Unfortunately my suggestion went into the cyber black hole that is dpreview's suggestion box and was never heard of again.
 
So there's fifteen times as many posts about Windows as there are for
Linux, and about eleven times as many for Mac. The number of posts
about Linux is only slightly more than iPod, so if there's a Linux
forum, there ought to be an iPod forum too.
Meanwhile, a search for 'John' in the Open Talk forum returns 374,755
results. So I guess by the numbers there should be a forum for people
named 'John'?

iPods have very little to do with photography. On the other hand,
probably 99% of digital camera users use a general purpose computer
with an operating system. This is why there are computer boards here
  • and it's also why dividing them by operating system rather than
(near-identical) hardware makes more sense.
--
http://flickr.com/photos/iskender
Well said, Iskender,right on the mark.
 
iPods have very little to do with photography.
Actually, iPods have a lot to do with photography. Other than the
shuffle, an iPod is very convenient to store and display photos, and
prior to the current models, could be used to copy images off memory
cards instead of carrying a laptop (although not a particularly
effective one since they weren't really designed for that).
Another spoiler. This thread is just a reasonable request for a forum.
 
I think PC talk would be the correct forum. I understand your point
as Macs these days are just PCs with OS X (Windows and Linux
sometimes) so the main differential seems to be the OS
I think its a history thing where a couple of years back buying a Mac
meant that you had a whole different system based on PPC™
architecture, really setting them aside in the consumer marketplace.
I wonder what percentage of users use Linux for photography?
I use Mac and Windows personally.
Mark
--
http://www.photo-utopia.blogspot.com/
Linux runs on PC's, both 32 bit and 64 bit, as well as on all Mac's, Intel and PPC™ architecture, but also Alpha ,mainframes, NASA supercomputers, Sun Spark, game consoles, routers, refrigerators, coffee machines and toasters ;-), almost anything with a CPU.

Though this portability of linux has very little to do with photography, I don't understand your point. Linux has as much to do with PC's as with Mac's, it runs on both.

There is however an enormous amount of Linux related info available on the net, no need for a linux section on dpreview imo, unless it is photography related.

JohnnyWB
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pleeze ignore ze typo's ;)
 
...
Windows: 283,719
...
Linux: 18,555
...
So there's fifteen times as many posts
about Windows as there are for Linux ....
Please take a look at the search results. 283,719 is not an
accurate estimate of the number of posts that refer to MS Windows.

It is not even a correct count of the number of posts that contain
the word "windows". Those 283,719 search results also include all
posts that contain "window" (singular). (Whether you search for
"window", "windows", "windowed", or "windowing", you'll get the
same set of 283,719 results from the DPR search engine.)

We don't know how many posts contain the plural "windows".
Currently there is no easy way to count them. Even if we
could count them, many of them say nothing about MS Windows.

-- omr
 
Linux runs on PC's, both 32 bit and 64 bit, as well as on all
Mac's, Intel and PPC™ architecture, but also Alpha ,mainframes, NASA
supercomputers, Sun Spark, game consoles, routers, refrigerators,
coffee machines and toasters ;-), almost anything with a CPU.
Though this portability of linux has very little to do with
photography, I don't understand your point. Linux has as much to do
with PC's as with Mac's, it runs on both.
Yes exactly - one of Linux's strengths is the range of h/w it runs on. The "PC Talk" forum is based on the outdated assumption that anyone with a PC is using Windows. And simply having one forum for people using the same hardware misses the point that we mainly use different software, and usually face entirely different issues and challenges.
There is however an enormous amount of Linux related info available
on the net, no need for a linux section on dpreview imo, unless it
is photography related.
JohnnyWB
Although there are many sites across the Internet for Linux, very few are particularly good w.r.t. photography. The 18,500 posts referring to Linux on dpreview are spread throughout its forums, showing not only a great interest in Linux, but also a need for one forum in which they should be located. dpreview is probably the leading site for photographic discussion, and having a forum here for Linux, would provide a central point for photographic information pertaining to Linux.
 

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