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JelleNL

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Hello all,

Last week I ordered a timer remote. This is a remote with a build-in timer. It lets you take intervalled shots (just like the K20D can, but then an unlimited amount).

I set up the timer to let my K10D take a shot every 30 seconds. This was the resulting sunset movie I made with iStopmotion:

http://www.jelledobma.com/misc/timelaps.mp4

This is just my balcony view, a heavy compression and poor exposure. This is a very powerfull tool if I can find the right locations, expose it perfectly, use the right interval and view it in High Defenition...

Has anyone else experimented with this?

JelleNL

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Hello all,

Last week I ordered a timer remote. This is a remote with a build-in
timer. It lets you take intervalled shots (just like the K20D can,
but then an unlimited amount).

I set up the timer to let my K10D take a shot every 30 seconds. This
was the resulting sunset movie I made with iStopmotion:

http://www.jelledobma.com/misc/timelaps.mp4

This is just my balcony view, a heavy compression and poor exposure.
This is a very powerfull tool if I can find the right locations,
expose it perfectly, use the right interval and view it in High
Defenition...

Has anyone else experimented with this?
That's pretty cool :D I like the way the clouds (well, the wind) change direction part way through, and the way they roil and stuff, and the way the sun blinks in and out.

I've done something similar using a timer built from a kit:



It was pretty unreliable (possibly due to my poor soldering skills) but for £10 I can't complain too much :)

One tip I thought was useful was to use a lens with a manual aperture ring - that way you ensure a more accurate exposure for each shot. Normally when you're shooting stills it won't be noticeable if the aperture isn't perfectly accurate, but in a video sequence at the usual 24 or so fps, a difference of 1/10th of a stop between frames can be quite obvious.

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I have the K20D and haven't found any limitations with the intervalometer.
So what do you mean by limited?
Hello all,

Last week I ordered a timer remote. This is a remote with a build-in
timer. It lets you take intervalled shots (just like the K20D can,
but then an unlimited amount).

I set up the timer to let my K10D take a shot every 30 seconds. This
was the resulting sunset movie I made with iStopmotion:

http://www.jelledobma.com/misc/timelaps.mp4

This is just my balcony view, a heavy compression and poor exposure.
This is a very powerfull tool if I can find the right locations,
expose it perfectly, use the right interval and view it in High
Defenition...

Has anyone else experimented with this?

JelleNL

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I have the K20D and haven't found any limitations with the
intervalometer.
So what do you mean by limited?
Is there not a maximum number of shots available - 99, iirc? Maybe I misremember.

The other and more fundamental limitation of the K20d's intervalometer, is if you have a K10d instead! ;-(

RP
 
One tip I thought was useful was to use a lens with a manual aperture
ring - that way you ensure a more accurate exposure for each shot.
Normally when you're shooting stills it won't be noticeable if the
aperture isn't perfectly accurate, but in a video sequence at the
usual 24 or so fps, a difference of 1/10th of a stop between frames
can be quite obvious.
While I see your point about the exposure differences, I'm not clear why a manual aperture ring would solve the issue. It still opens an closes with each shot. Is there more play in the body controlled system?

Seems like a screw mount would be ideal as it could be stopped down and left in the exact same spot for the whole series.

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I have the K20D and haven't found any limitations with the
intervalometer.
So what do you mean by limited?
Yes, limited to 99 exposures. That was a great disappointment to me. I experimented, changed the frame size to mimic NTSC resolution (small images), and expected to capture a whole bunch of frames either until the battery ran out, or I filled the card; enough for an about ten minute animation at least. Boy, was I wrong! Ninety-nine frames is pretty worthless. That's a hair more than three video seconds, (at PAL or NTSC frame rates).
Last week I ordered a timer remote. This is a remote with a build-in
timer. It lets you take interval shots (just like the K20D can,
but then an unlimited amount).
Can you tell us more about your timer? Manufacturer? Source?

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This would be something to change on a next firmware. Pentax probably should be aware of this fact and they ought to change it, it should be pretty easy. But in the case they don't maybe we should help them, and make a K20D Next Firmware Wishlist thread??

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Very nice Jelle! I love the way the clouds work, but also the dynamics in the cars is fun.

How many shots did you require for this?

Wim

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I really liked it

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Thanks for the nice comments.

This timer remote makes it possible to take an unlimited amount of pictures, unlike the K20D as said. It has only 99 shots at max.

I'm using the Phottix Timer Remote and I bought it on Ebay at HK Supplies.

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Phottix-Timer-Remote-C1-for-Canon-350D-400D-450D-XT-XTi_W0QQitemZ200213110268QQihZ010QQcategoryZ43443QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

It is the same as for the C*non 350D - 400D - 450D ect.

I paid little over €40,- shipped to The Netherlands. The same device (but with a different brand name) is at Amazon for $99,-.

I'll be expanding my Cokin filter collection now with some more gray grads, a filter bag an one or two hoods. Would make perfect video then :)

I know Cokin is not the best quality in the P-system, but it is the best I can justify now.

JelleNL
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Besides photography, I also do some indie film making in digital video, most of the time as director of photography.

I had to resort to use my K10D to make some time-lapse movies a few times, since not many video cameras are time-lapse capable.

After the usual trial and error, I've come up to some conclusions. So here are my recommendations:

1)

NO AUTO-FOCUS! You don't want your AF hunting and ruining 10 seconds out of a 30 seconds time-lapse clip. Just switch to MF and focus on the proper subject or near infinity or, even better, select an aperture for a good hyperfocal DOF.

Again, NO AUTO-FOCUS.

2)

Use a ND filter when shooting in daylight. I suggest at least a ND 8X (0.9) filter. This will allow you to achieve slower shutter speeds, which will give the clip a much smoother appearance. If the shutter speed is 1/15th of a second or faster, "blimps" might appear and can become intrusive at times. "Blimps" are moving subjects that seem to blink from one place to another.

If do you want "blimps", choose a faster shutter speed, like 1/60th of a second or faster.

3)

When shooting over a long period with some big differences in lighting conditions (like from afternoon to night), mount a low contrast filter on your lens as well. This kind of filter is used in the video industry to mimic the results of film, since digital video is often too contrasty. This filter helps achieve the smoother tonal variations we're used too see in film.

Using such a filter will reduce contrast and lift up details in shadows, so you can under-expose a bit to decrease the risk of highlight clipping (to some extend). In some circumstances, it will give you about a stop of additional dynamic range in the shadows.

4)

When possible, use the AE-lock to prevent the sometimes less accurate exposure metering of the evaluative metering system, which will result in inconsistent lighting of the time-lapse sequence. IMO, the Pentax evaluative metering isn't very reliable for such use and can sometimes go "berserk", overexposing or under-exposing a few shots here and there. (There isn't any DSLR with a metering system suited for such use, IMO.)

Better, expose using spot metering (and whatever exposure compensation that is needed) on a part of the frame that can provide consistent results for the whole frame and the whole duration of the clip.

An example? If you shoot a high-rise building under the autumn sky from dawn to noon, metering on the concrete wall will result in a building lit with much more consistency than if you're metering the sky or the windows. That's if you want the building to be properly lit, of course.

5)

In any exposure mode but M (manual), I suggest you use an average ISO (400 is often best) setting for extended shootings, especially those going from day to night or night to day. You'll see less difference in shutter speed variation (in Av mode) or field of depth changes (in Tv mode).

If shooting on shorter periods, with less important changes in lighting conditions, I suggest you select the lowest ISO, so you can achieve longer shutter speeds and reduce the risks for "blimps" to appear.

6)

Use either M (manual), Av (aperture value) or Tv (time value) exposure mode.

M mode means your aperture and shutter speed remains constant. However, since most DSLRs can only handle about 8-9 stops of dynamic range (about 9-10 with the low contrast filter mentioned above), extended time-lapse photo can become less interesting, because the initial exposure, which could have been good at noon, just might have gone completely wrong at sunset. Going from a sunny noon to past sunset in summer often means going throught 12 stops of dynamic range.

Av mode means constant aperture and depth-of-field, but higher risks of seeing "blimps" appear. It does however prevents overexposure most of the time (the shutter might go up to 1/250th of a second to prevent that) and is well suited for extended time-lapse photography.

Tv mode means constant shutter speed, so no "blimps" there. However, depth-of-field might change during the time-lapse clip. This can be troublesome if your subject is close to the camera, but shouldn't be a problem if you focus on or near the infinity. The other risk is to get some overexposure (since the aperture can only go down to F/22, F/32 or F/45), especially if you choose a long shutter speed (like, say, 1/4th of a second).

7)

Last but not least, cloudy days are just the best for shooting time-lapse clips, since the constrast is lower and the exposure variations are much smoother. (Especially if the sky is clearing at night to reveal the stars — then: bingo!)

And I would never recommend shooting around noon in summer unless you have a very strong ND filter, since even at F/22 you'll often experience blimps or get some overexposure (or clipping), or get... both problems!

Winter, with its shorter days and weaker sunlight, is much better for shooting time-lapse clips at noon (and for time-lapse photo in general).

Hope it helps.

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I like that storm that passes over.

This looks like something I'd like to play with, is the software costly or can you get freeware?

Also, do you have to leave the camera permanently on (powersave off) during the entire time (probably means a mains adapter is needed?).

Thanks,

Rod

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No, you don't have to leave the camera off the power save. Though the power switch has to be 'on' of course. The timer automaticly sends a signal to the camrera just before it takes the shot ( i guess to meter the light) so the camera switches on again.

For software, I used Boinx iStopmotion. Starts at $49,- Though it is Mac only I think.
http://www.boinx.com/istopmotion/overview/

JelleNL

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The remote assistant works with the K10D and has an intervalometer function. I've never tried it, but it would seem reasonable that it wouldn't have a max number of exposures.

Tim
 
Does anyone know of any Windows software to use with this device?
Hello!

Maybe the program Movie Maker from Windows. I have windows XP. If you click on START, then ALL PROGRAMS, then ACCESSORIES, then you should see Windows Movie Maker icon.

I never used it, be it seems like it could do it. Never felt the need to use it before, but this remote timer seems very interesting. I think I will order it.

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Thanks for the link, Jelle. Looking at the advert, do you only get 399 frames, or it is truely "unlimited". The text and images seem to indicate "Number of Shots: 1 to 399 (+ unlimited)" but then elsewhere say "Set total shooting times (1-399)". What does this mean? Have you shot more than 399 frames?

What resolution do you shoot at? PAL video resolution?

By the way, I ordered one. If I can get more than 399 frames, I'll be in "happyland".

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Steven
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One for the printer. Lots of good dope in your post.

Can you tell me more about a low-contrast filter. Never heard of them before. Fairly easy to find in the local shop?

I feel some experimentation coming on soon.

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Steven
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Does anyone know of any Windows software to use with this device?
I use Adobe Premiere, or Adobe Premiere Elements. PE is a whole lot less expensive than the full blown package. Less than a hundred bucks, and in my opinion, much easier to use when making video DVDs.

The program has the capability to read in a sequence of frames, but make sure there is no break in the numbering of the frames. If you have several thousand frames, and you deleted one somewhere in the middle, it will stop import at the missing frame.

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