So disappointed with the DP1 after using it.

yvind Strm said:

Duarte Lourenco said:

This thread is unbelievable.

I follow this forum regularly, I have an interest in the technology.

That said, this forum has some very paranoid people. You should take
a step back and look at what you write sometimes. From an unattached
reader point of view, it looks ridiculous. Really. In your defense
for a commercial brand, you sometimes get downright rude. There's no
reason and no excuse for this, it serves no one.

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Read and learn, Seng, Laurence, Güenter and Jim.
You really hurts this forum and Sigma more than you can imagine.

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why don't you get off your high horse and stop and think for for a while...and Clive put it in a way that I cannot put it better here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=26649876

Now you might want to wash the feet of the person who step on your flower bed on purpose but don't expect me to, and knowing that you are not realize that not everyone is living in a homogenous utopian cocoon society I will ask you politely that please stop trying to police how we think...I speak for myself and no more and respect that we will have difference of opinion but please stay helping the newbies that's what you are good at and being appreciate more...and stay out of being social polit bureau, it is tiresome.

yvind Strm said:

yvind Strm said:

Regarding the dp1:

Leaked photos of earlier stage cameras leak from every camera
manufacturer. The foveon seems to need a bit more attention regarding
exposure and WB, so in this type of environment it is clear that the
first time shooter of a beta stage DP1 might have a less than great
experience.

I liked the images that Phil posted, although that first one has the
woman looking a bit "alien-esq". As with any camera in this stage
I'll reserve my judgment for the production camera.

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• Mark Twain

The camera was tethered to the display case. He said he simply took the card out of his camera and put it in the sigma in full view of the attendant. I think if Sigma didnt want the camera being used, they shouldnt have let him. This would be laughed out of court in about 2 sec, except for the fact no lawyer would even bother filing.

DMillier said:

spm: Ah, never mind the reasoned arguments, let's go straight for the
bitchy attacks.

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and you call this a reasoned arguments?

DavidMillier said:

DavidMillier said:

DavidMillier said:

Mastermind, indeed. Mwahhhaahhaa.

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Well tell you what Sir Millier, I think you hit all time low on this "bitchy attacks" of yours comment...but coming from you is a complement...thx

DavidMillier said:

Laurence: Sometimes your obsessive defence of all things Sigma makes
it very difficult for a proper debate to occur.

To the OP: Sorry you felt the product didn't meet your expectations;
in truth many products fail to meet many people's But at least try
and be fair to this one and save your criticisms for the production
model. Attacking an unfinished demo sample is a bit premature.

Come on people, we are talking about nothing more than a product
here, one of billions in the world. It might be good, it might be bad
but in no circumstances is it worth creating WWIII over....

spm said:

NickDavis said:

That the groundwork for this trolling stunt was begun 4 years ago
when I started on this board and continued up until this point, the
culmination of my 4-year plan, to tarnish the fine name of a camera
only under secret development at the time.

Mastermind, indeed. Mwahhhaahhaa.

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people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you,
too, can become great.'

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• Mark Twain

I'm not a Sigma owner but I too recall reading that the Sigma JPEG engine is pretty bad. I don't know why this is, but perhaps it points to a company that is better with hardware than with software. But most Sigma people on this forum seem to know and accept that shooting RAW is the way to go.

That said, I'll still wait for the reviews to judge even the JPEG quality.

I do not know the OP and so will not attempt to theorize or moralize on his intentions. He may have intended nothing more than to score a public information coup by taking a few snaps with a much awaited new camera, or he may have had other intentions - I simply don't know and I suspect none of us whether loyalists or lurkers know that.

OTOH there is what the post accomplished - intended or not. Please note that the OP did not say "Some Early Photos DP1" or something similarly neutral, and follow with a reasoned analysis (good or bad) ending with "overall, I'm disappointed". But that wouldn't have made news and wouldn't have attracted the growing thread of comments.

Also note that regulars here are at odds over forum conduct and tossing bricks at one another. That ain't good either. Let's all pull back from the caffeinated products and the moral outrage and talk about the camera. To my good friends outraged about the etiquette on this forum, please read the tone of your own words.

Obviously (even to my tired eyes) Phil's unquestionably "authorized" photos are pretty good and with no disrespect to Phil I would characterize his DP1 gallery as "informal shooting". For those who are looking for flaws and bent on magnifying them based on anecdotal evidence, there's a field day to be had here. If the OP was serious, surely he could not have expected (authorized or not) to plug a memory card into a tethered camera in the uncertain lighting of an exhibit hall, fire off a half dozen snaps, and claim to have proven anything.

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sandy b said:

The camera was tethered to the display case. He said he simply took
the card out of his camera and put it in the sigma in full view of
the attendant. I think if Sigma didnt want the camera being used,
they shouldnt have let him. This would be laughed out of court in
about 2 sec, except for the fact no lawyer would even bother filing.

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I think it will depends on what evidents and eye witnesses and records and so on.

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yvind Strm said:

take the man instead...

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argument does not sneaking pictures that one does not permit to do so, man does that.

yvind Strm said:

Go out and take some pictures.

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Good advise, why don't you do that. I have more than a 100 pictures here that waiting to be post.

yvind Strm said:

spm said:

NickDavis said:

That the groundwork for this trolling stunt was begun 4 years ago
when I started on this board and continued up until this point, the
culmination of my 4-year plan, to tarnish the fine name of a camera
only under secret development at the time.

Mastermind, indeed. Mwahhhaahhaa.

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people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you,
too, can become great.'

• Mark Twain

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• Mark Twain

sometimes dpr forums remind me of european football crowds - I would think photography requires more brainpower/

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J1000 said:

I'm not a Sigma owner but I too recall reading that the Sigma JPEG
engine is pretty bad. I don't know why this is, but perhaps it points
to a company that is better with hardware than with software. But
most Sigma people on this forum seem to know and accept that shooting
RAW is the way to go.

That said, I'll still wait for the reviews to judge even the JPEG
quality.

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J1000,

That's one of the downsides of the internet and instant global communication. Repeat something enough regardless of whether it has a basis or not in fact and it begins to become believable. This is no criticism of your question - just the availability and force of pseudo-facts on the 'net.

My personal experience and that of a number of posters on this forum is that while the jpeg engine isn't as good as shooting RAW and post processing in all the situations in which RAW may excel, one can take very good photos with the in-camera JPEG in a variety of situations. IF I were primarily interested in shooting jpeg, I might not buy a Sigma nor for that matter a camera with RAW as it's stock in trade. OTOH I frequently shoot jpeg in my SD14 when I need to take a larger number of photos for quick availability and ultimate print or onscreen quality isn't as high a priority.

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This is more of a moral issue with me rather than a camera "thingy". Obviously the man took things under his control to take tape off the camera to insert a CF card that he "knew" that he shouldn't. Either the OP is not very intelligent or he has underhanded motives. I can't give him the benefit of the doubt since moral people would ask for permission since there was tape covering the CF door. It's so obvious.

Regards,
Larry

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...but there are a lot of people who wait until the light is switched off and blame the cam it can't produce a decent pic.
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Facts:

On March 29, 2007 I posted the following on my personal blog:

http://www.nickdavis.com/My-Next-Camera-Sigma-DP1

.....What that means is better dynamic range and low-light performance. And it'll fit in our pocket. Can't wait.....

Yes, people, I'm just here to trash this camera that I've been waiting for for the past year.

On February 1, 2008, at 10:00 AM, I walked up to a nearly-empty Sigma booth and began playing with the DP1. There were 2 cameras at the counter, and one girl behind it. At the time (As you can see in the photos), the Sigma booth was by no means crowded. I looked at the bottom of the camera, and there was no tape whatsoever. In fully visible view, I removed the card from my P&S and put it in the DP1 and began to shoot. There were no objections from the Sigma staff. I continued to shoot for a few minutes, including the video (and at one point even asked the clueless girl for some help on choosing my aperture). Once I was thoroughly disappointed, I removed my card, set the camera back down, and left the booth.

Nowhere was there a sign or any information saying that I could not take the photos. Nowhere even mentioned that this was a "beta" model as you all suggest (I mean, to meet a "Spring" delivery, this thing should be in production ASAP if not already). No one asked me not to insert my card, and no one asked me to remove it once I did.

This is all the justification I will provide. I consider this matter closed, and if someone wants to attack my character, then provide me your personal details. I have shared with you my personal flickr account, and links to my blog, which contains everything you'd ever want to know about me and my family. Hell, my username is my real name. So, tell me again how I'm a troll?

New York just had to win, only because I had picked them to win over the Patriots :Þ

It was a mighty fine game. I had to cheer for hte underdawg

LMC54 said:

Regards,
Larry

CSJC said:

it gets even better.

LMC54 said:

Oh the horrors This is getting better than the super bowl.

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Larry, the only moral issue I see here is your ability to know all the facts without actually knowing anything, and then proceeding to pass judgment based on absolutely nothing.

Is there an address I can use to send you guys more Kool Aid? Seriously, you guys might want to step back a bit and get a sense of reality.

that if one helps another not to sin, that a multitude of his sins will be covered :Þ With that in mind, I will help by saying. It is not nice to remove the Tape from the CF card on a camera.... Repent while you have a chance....

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When something doesn't belong to you, don't you ask permission to try it out? As far as I'm concern you publicly put your adventure for public scrutiny. If I would had done what you did and have very little knowledge of the camera nor didn't know if this was a Beta or Production camera I would had kept it to myself. But for what you did I can't respect you as a person.

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Maybe you should read the bible again.

You guys caught me. I peeled away the tape in full view of the Sigma reps, while there were a whopping 3 customers at the booth. I'm amazing like that.

Obviously you've never been to a show like PMA, where the manufacturers spend millions of dollars hoping people will try out their equipment.

They put everything out on counters, and hire people to help you try it. I'm pretty sure that's their intention. If not, their efforts might be better spent on something else.

I'm completely devastated that I don't have your respect. Perhaps I'll go jump off a bridge, for life is no longer worth living.

It's obvious you don't know when to ask.

NickDavis said:

Obviously you've never been to a show like PMA, where the
manufacturers spend millions of dollars hoping people will try out
their equipment.

They put everything out on counters, and hire people to help you try
it. I'm pretty sure that's their intention. If not, their efforts
might be better spent on something else.

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Yes, SPM, I bow to your whim. I sure hope to get your approval.

spm said:

NickDavis said:

I just put mine in from my other camera. I wasn't aware that I wasn't
supposed to. No one was really watching or paying attention. The girl
at the counter (not the one in the pictures, that's my wife) didn't
know much about the camera.

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Oh really? and you happen to just have 6 pictures from dp1 on your
flickr account? you creates a special account just for this...how
special treatment...where are your others Canon's pictures? love to
see them...I am interest because dp-1 mostly attract serious shooters
and they don't often just check out the camera for just iso800...
How long did you get to handle this dp1? 2 minutes, 5 minutes?
Did you went to PMA just for this? no others pictures from other
cams? since you sounds like someone who really knows what he is
doing, I love to see your other pictures from other cams as well.

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