Opinions DRIVING me NUT's

Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
 
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
Dear Barbara

I was the owner of, first E10, after that E20! I sold both off them after a while because I had a lot off complaints. Major problem was the slow working off everything!!! I'am even not speaking about AF.

AF from D60 was something completely different. Although it is not as you shout espect from D1.

My D60 is great thing. You can see some pictures made with first D60 in Benelux on my website if you want.

Keep up the good work!
Geert Soenens

http://homepage.mac.com/geert_soenens/PhotoAlbum2.html
 
Geert,

I am SOLD!!! Your photographs are awesome! My favorites are Big Friends, Flemish Butterflies, Jan from Ghent, Planting Season and THE CHAMP!

I can't wait until tomorrow!!!
Dear Barbara

I was the owner of, first E10, after that E20! I sold both off them
after a while because I had a lot off complaints. Major problem was
the slow working off everything!!! I'am even not speaking about AF.
AF from D60 was something completely different. Although it is not
as you shout espect from D1.
My D60 is great thing. You can see some pictures made with first
D60 in Benelux on my website if you want.

Keep up the good work!
Geert Soenens

http://homepage.mac.com/geert_soenens/PhotoAlbum2.html
 
Thanks Bradley,

I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the 540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
 
Dear Barbara,
Here in the Uk the D60 is considerably more expensive than in the States.

I am a pro photographer and I now never buy a camera unless it is going to meet a real need, and pay for itself very quickly.

The upside is that there should be a Canon day on May 7 at a pro dealer that I trust, and I will insist on taking photos with the D60 on a tripod and with studio flash using a prime lens.

As you know the A1 wasn't a pro camera (I never used it) but I am sure it was far more sturdy than the D60.

I look at the D60 and think "in this polycarbonate body is a built in flash, and the autofocus needs an auto assist lamp". Both points scream 'low end amateur camera" to me. that wouldn't be so bad but I am guessing that it will quickly be outgunned by a replacement at Photokina in September, that and the 1D as well.

I have used a D1X professionally and although it doesn't feel anywhere near as good as a 1D body at least it feels like a pro tool. The other thing I don't like about the D60 is the small dim viewfinder.

Now I could be wrong and I may come home from the trial session on May 7th with a Cd of my shots which scream quality but I won't hold my breath. And by the way, I would never shoot a wedding with a digital camera until the digital storage is far far safer than it is at present.

One can buy bad colour negative film (a British company had to pay thousands to a famous British photographer because the film numbers were in the image area, and the british photographer had gone off to a Polynesian island without checking one roll of film first!) but I have had both smart media go bad on me and I have just had an IBM drive (not microdrive) fail after 2 weeks.

When I think of the cost of digital I just cradle my film cameras and think "I don't want to be an early adopter of slightly wobbly digital cameras and pay the earth for the privilege" Maybe everything will be fine by Photokina but I doubt it.

forgive the long post, but I really would insist on burning some of your own images to CD in the store (if you can) and have them printed off on a photo quality printer and then see what you think.

Your A1 (if you still have it) will outperform the D60 but the D60 will have the edge on convenience until something goes wrong in a way that it never would with film...one last thought, no one ever lost money by not being an early buyer. I sure wish I had been able to come to learn Photoshop on version 6 as opposed to version 3
Best wishes
Jerome Y
http://www.jy-photo.co.uk
 
I thought that today was the day you would pick up your D60...

Reading your reply below you do not sound convinced yet. As per your description as a photographer, I will bet you will not see the camera limitations being raised here at all. Life is a series of compromises, but actually I do not see the D60 as a compromise in your case, just a better tool and an excelent fit.

John
I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
 
Jerome,

Thankyou for your advice. I do not know if I will have time to shoot in the store. I am going to pick it up on m lunch hour. I am purchasing the D60 from a local camera shop where I purchased my first camera that was about 20 years ago. I am sure if I am disappointed I will not have an issue with a return or for that matter I am sure with everyone clammering for the D60 I will be able to sell it.

As stated before I am not a professional photographer, just an advanced amateur with a very good eye. I have not shot with the A1 for years. I shoot with an EOS 620 which has some years on it as well. I am ready for the digital world right now. I have waited 2 years and I am not waiting any longer!!!

At this point I do not think the Digital will replace my film camera. But one never knows!

But again I appreciate your input!
Dear Barbara,
Here in the Uk the D60 is considerably more expensive than in the
States.

I am a pro photographer and I now never buy a camera unless it is
going to meet a real need, and pay for itself very quickly.

The upside is that there should be a Canon day on May 7 at a pro
dealer that I trust, and I will insist on taking photos with the
D60 on a tripod and with studio flash using a prime lens.

As you know the A1 wasn't a pro camera (I never used it) but I am
sure it was far more sturdy than the D60.

I look at the D60 and think "in this polycarbonate body is a built
in flash, and the autofocus needs an auto assist lamp". Both points
scream 'low end amateur camera" to me. that wouldn't be so bad but
I am guessing that it will quickly be outgunned by a replacement at
Photokina in September, that and the 1D as well.

I have used a D1X professionally and although it doesn't feel
anywhere near as good as a 1D body at least it feels like a pro
tool. The other thing I don't like about the D60 is the small dim
viewfinder.

Now I could be wrong and I may come home from the trial session on
May 7th with a Cd of my shots which scream quality but I won't hold
my breath. And by the way, I would never shoot a wedding with a
digital camera until the digital storage is far far safer than it
is at present.

One can buy bad colour negative film (a British company had to pay
thousands to a famous British photographer because the film numbers
were in the image area, and the british photographer had gone off
to a Polynesian island without checking one roll of film first!)
but I have had both smart media go bad on me and I have just had an
IBM drive (not microdrive) fail after 2 weeks.

When I think of the cost of digital I just cradle my film cameras
and think "I don't want to be an early adopter of slightly wobbly
digital cameras and pay the earth for the privilege" Maybe
everything will be fine by Photokina but I doubt it.

forgive the long post, but I really would insist on burning some of
your own images to CD in the store (if you can) and have them
printed off on a photo quality printer and then see what you think.

Your A1 (if you still have it) will outperform the D60 but the D60
will have the edge on convenience until something goes wrong in a
way that it never would with film...one last thought, no one ever
lost money by not being an early buyer. I sure wish I had been able
to come to learn Photoshop on version 6 as opposed to version 3
Best wishes
Jerome Y
http://www.jy-photo.co.uk
 
Your A1 (if you still have it) will outperform the D60
That statement is probably not true, even if you control film development and color printing as a professional, BUT... it is absolutely wrong if you send out to a commercial (non-custon) lab for processing and printing, like most of us do, advanced amateurs included.

I have experience in both worlds and good quality digital prints can be made by a reasonably experienced digital darkroom practitioner that will outshine what that same person can do with film.

John
Dear Barbara,
Here in the Uk the D60 is considerably more expensive than in the
States.

I am a pro photographer and I now never buy a camera unless it is
going to meet a real need, and pay for itself very quickly.

The upside is that there should be a Canon day on May 7 at a pro
dealer that I trust, and I will insist on taking photos with the
D60 on a tripod and with studio flash using a prime lens.

As you know the A1 wasn't a pro camera (I never used it) but I am
sure it was far more sturdy than the D60.

I look at the D60 and think "in this polycarbonate body is a built
in flash, and the autofocus needs an auto assist lamp". Both points
scream 'low end amateur camera" to me. that wouldn't be so bad but
I am guessing that it will quickly be outgunned by a replacement at
Photokina in September, that and the 1D as well.

I have used a D1X professionally and although it doesn't feel
anywhere near as good as a 1D body at least it feels like a pro
tool. The other thing I don't like about the D60 is the small dim
viewfinder.

Now I could be wrong and I may come home from the trial session on
May 7th with a Cd of my shots which scream quality but I won't hold
my breath. And by the way, I would never shoot a wedding with a
digital camera until the digital storage is far far safer than it
is at present.

One can buy bad colour negative film (a British company had to pay
thousands to a famous British photographer because the film numbers
were in the image area, and the british photographer had gone off
to a Polynesian island without checking one roll of film first!)
but I have had both smart media go bad on me and I have just had an
IBM drive (not microdrive) fail after 2 weeks.

When I think of the cost of digital I just cradle my film cameras
and think "I don't want to be an early adopter of slightly wobbly
digital cameras and pay the earth for the privilege" Maybe
everything will be fine by Photokina but I doubt it.

forgive the long post, but I really would insist on burning some of
your own images to CD in the store (if you can) and have them
printed off on a photo quality printer and then see what you think.

Your A1 (if you still have it) will outperform the D60 but the D60
will have the edge on convenience until something goes wrong in a
way that it never would with film...one last thought, no one ever
lost money by not being an early buyer. I sure wish I had been able
to come to learn Photoshop on version 6 as opposed to version 3
Best wishes
Jerome Y
http://www.jy-photo.co.uk
 
I was supposed to pick it up today but I needed some time to get my banking in order, plus the salesman I was working with was off today and I wanted him to get credit for the sale.

I feel confident in my decision to purchase the D60 and hope to post some beautiful pix very SOON!!!

I am picking it up at LunchTime tomorrow!
Reading your reply below you do not sound convinced yet. As per
your description as a photographer, I will bet you will not see the
camera limitations being raised here at all. Life is a series of
compromises, but actually I do not see the D60 as a compromise in
your case, just a better tool and an excelent fit.

John
I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
 
Barbara, hehe, I can cause more confusion and put up shots of the E-10 and E-20 for you if you want! I figured that if someone was going to badmouth the E-10 and E-20 to promote the D60, that it was only fair to show they are not being that realistic. I have no idea what type of photography you like to do, and all the camera's listed above do a good job in their own element. Here is an E-10 sample just to tease you and confuse you some more.

Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!
 
I suspect that by looking at your E10 picture Barbara will not be confused ;). No other comment otherwise. Nice looking picture though.

John
Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
 
Well John Delude yourself you want to. I have others I can post as well. You forget I own a 1D and I had a D60 previous to that. You do not have to bad mouth the E-10 or E-20 in an attempt to make the D60 look appealing. The camera's fill different niches in the market. The e-10 and E-20 DSLR's are quite good for the money. If you consider the lens that is used in Ex series and can even find and price a similar lens to it you would see they are a good value for the money. The D60 is a good value in its market(interchangable lens DSLR). Consider the cost of just one 70-200L IS lens ($1680 +) and then tell me what gives you more bang for the buck! Lets keep things in perspective please.

Thanks

Jason
John
Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!
 
Thanks A LOT!!! BUT... I am sticking to my guns and going with my gut which is the D60! I am a canon gal from day one and being that I have some Ultrasonic lenses I can start with, I think that is the likely choice. I am pickin up the bad boy D60 tomorrow!!!!
Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
 
Barbara are you Sure????? (laugh) after all you started all this confusion! You cannot blame me for helping you along!

Jason
Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!
 
Jason:

Allow me to reply... I am not bad mouthing the Olympus E10 - I like the camera. You inferred that I made a judgment value regarding that camera when I did not. I simply stated that there is no confusion between the output of the 2 cameras. That is a true statement that stands on its own.

And I fully agree with you - 2 different cameras, 2 different applications, 2 different markets.

John
Thanks

Jason
John
Jason


I think I will be fine. I am not a professional Photographer. I am
an advanced amateur with a damn good eye. I am not going to be in
low light situations too often. I assume if I use a Flash like the
540EZ that the low light situation will notbe a major issue.

Besides, I can't afford the next level up... I guess I will have to
live with the D60.
Barbara,

First off, let me say that I am one of the people who belives that
the AF on the D30 (and, by extension the D60) is woefully
inadequate. (From what I've read, though, I think my opinion may
be in the minority).

That being said, the best advice I can give you is to try it when
you go into the store. One thing the D30/60 AF issue has brought
to light is that not everyone demands the same performance from
their cameras.

The most unbiased advice I can give you is to use it in the store
and out before you buy it, with the lenses you're most likely to
use. If it's not up to snuff for you, you'll know. But if it
works well for you, then I think you will fall in love with the
camera.

Good luck!
Bradley Phillip
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!
 
Just to help you out this is my first one I took from the D60 when I had it.

Jason


Barbara are you Sure????? (laugh) after all you started all this
confusion! You cannot blame me for helping you along!

Jason
 
1st I was going to buy the Olympus E-10 or the E-20... I swayed
away from that because of all the complaints about the slow write
times and white balance being off...
So, then I decide to go with the D60, as I am a Canon Fan since my
first camera many moons ago(A-1, I know I am dating myself). I
received a call today from my dealer he informed me that my D60 was
in! I literally got the sweats! I have been saving for 2YEARS!!!
So, I run to DPReview to make sure I am not plunking down $2200
only to find out there are major flaws. The one opinion in the
review area says something about a FOCUS issue!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Is there anyone out there that can tell me
I am making the right investment with the Canon D60.

Did I mention.... I have been saving for 2 years and I don't take a
purchase like this very lightly.

Thanks for any help you can provide... I am supposed to pick it up
Friday!
Hello Barbara,

Perhaps I can shed some light on the subject. I have owned the Olumpus E-10 and 20. Both cameras were well made and created beautiful images. Both cameras performed slowly in most respects to the Canon D30, D60 and especially the 1D. I now own all 3 Canons. The 1D is amazing. The D30 and D60 are also both superb cameras. The D60 at a significant decrease in price of the the original D30 is a home run. The D60 in my opinion focuses fine in almost any light. The D30 was almost as good. Not a huge difference.You would be happy with either one, though I would certainly buy the D60. It's a bargain. Sometime the lens being used can be the culprit as well. I've only occaisonally had to use manual focus. This had to do with the subject matter as well. The D30 and D60 focus more accurately than the Olympus cameras by a decent margin. Enjoy and take great photos.

--
Lawrence Amoruso
 
Thank You Lawrence!

I can see via the plethora of positive posts about the D60 I am NOT making a mistake. I appreciate your opinion being that you have owned all of the camera's! Are ya independantly wealthy or something???

I do have some lenses from my EOS 620 that I can use but what do you feel would be a good lens to start with? I am pretty sure that I have a 35-105 and 35-135... Don't ask why I have 2 similar lenses it is a long story.

I do have one other but it is a 70-210(I think). I have only used that one once or twice. I can't imagine that I would use it too often with the D60 either.

Thanks Again!
Hello Barbara,
Perhaps I can shed some light on the subject. I have owned the
Olumpus E-10 and 20. Both cameras were well made and created
beautiful images. Both cameras performed slowly in most respects to
the Canon D30, D60 and especially the 1D. I now own all 3 Canons.
The 1D is amazing. The D30 and D60 are also both superb cameras.
The D60 at a significant decrease in price of the the original D30
is a home run. The D60 in my opinion focuses fine in almost any
light. The D30 was almost as good. Not a huge difference.You would
be happy with either one, though I would certainly buy the D60.
It's a bargain. Sometime the lens being used can be the culprit as
well. I've only occaisonally had to use manual focus. This had to
do with the subject matter as well. The D30 and D60 focus more
accurately than the Olympus cameras by a decent margin. Enjoy and
take great photos.

--
Lawrence Amoruso
 
It seems like the exposure was not right on this photo. I don't think this shot would have looked any better if it was better lit? But I am no professional... Doesn't seem like there is any interest foreground anyway.

You are not confusing me by showing me some bad photo's you took with the D60. Why don't ya show me your best shot with the D60 and the and not your worst. I guess ya never have taken a bad shot with the Olympus...

My mind is made up and it is only a matter of hours...

Thanks again for your opinion.
Jason


Barbara are you Sure????? (laugh) after all you started all this
confusion! You cannot blame me for helping you along!

Jason
 

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