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yep agree

DP1a as promised
DP1b ------- small wide fixed tele

i would buy either and put off my interest in a GRD II in anticipation
 
UnderDriven said:
I agree with interchangeable fixed focal length lenses. I think it
is a huge mistake to sell this camera with a non-interchangeable lens
(especially for a lens manufacturer--what were they thinking?). At
the very least they should have made the current lens removeable and
promised more lenses at a later date. I can't see it adding a lot of
cost to the camera and then there is always the possibility of future
new lenses.
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Each lens would need its own focus mechanisms. Making all this modular would not only make the interchangeable lenses more complicated, it would also make them more bulky. Personally I'd just like to see them get the fixed lens camera done, and then consider other things.

The Ricoh GR-D is proof that cameras with no zoom can be popular.
 
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JW PHOTO said:
JW PHOTO said:
For an interchangeable lens system the lenses itself have to be
small, and for a compact dp1 the registry distance should be also
smaller.
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Do you mean something like either LTM, or M-mount... :)
JW PHOTO said:
I guess I was just dreaming again and we'll probably never see a DP1
with interchangeable lenses. Oh well! One can dream, can't one?
JW PHOTO said:
Wolfgang
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May be eventually. Let's be hopeful.

-Pasvorn
 
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
Ask the Sony R1 how it's doing. Oh that's right, it's dead. We
aren't talking a "bit" larger. When you start to carry around
something near the size of a DSLR body, what was the point of making
it a fixed lens P&S?
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Well, I suppose that makes sense. The R1 has a 5X lens though. I wonder if a 3X lens is doable. But looking at the R1, I guess even a 3X would be rather huge. I got all excited about the idea of a pocketable APS-C sensor camera (with foveon) and never really considered the limitations.

I have a Sony N1 (well it's the wifes'), but I can't stand to use the small sensor cams anymore. REALLY hate using it even though it's a great little p&S.

I am starting to think a D40X with a small zoom lens or even a pancake prime might be the way to go for me. Not that much larger, and it will give so much more versatility.

To be honest, I wonder if the DP1 will be all that popular... The usual point and shoot crowd will be put off by the size and no zoom. The pros, and crazy people like us, other than Sigma enthusiasts, will probably go for an entry level SLR. Not sure it will fit in anywhere. JMO

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J1000 said:
Each lens would need its own focus mechanisms. Making all this
modular would not only make the interchangeable lenses more
complicated, it would also make them more bulky. Personally I'd just
like to see them get the fixed lens camera done, and then consider
other things.
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Why would each lens need its own focus mechanism? I have a Contax G1 35mm autofocus rangefinder and the focus mechanism (motor) is in the body. I was assuming a similar system could be used on the DP1. The size may be slightly larger due to the mount, but I wouldn't think it would be significantly larger. If so, then I would at least want a teleconverter add-on which is pretty standard for P&S cameras...
J1000 said:
The Ricoh GR-D is proof that cameras with no zoom can be popular.
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I agree, but the DP1 has to contend with the fact that the GR-D exists and sets a price/performance point. The DP1 needs to distinguish itself if the price is higher. One (big) way is the Fovean sensor, another way would be interchangeable/add-on lenses. I think both would be best...

Of course, I hope the DP1 is a huge success in whatever form it takes...

Cheers, Keith
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Pasvorn said:
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Pasvorn said:
Pasvorn said:
For an interchangeable lens system the lenses itself have to be
small, and for a compact dp1 the registry distance should be also
smaller.
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Do you mean something like either LTM, or M-mount... :)
Pasvorn said:
I guess I was just dreaming again and we'll probably never see a DP1
with interchangeable lenses. Oh well! One can dream, can't one?
Pasvorn said:
Wolfgang
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May be eventually. Let's be hopeful.

-Pasvorn
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Well, I certainly meant LTM or M mount. If you haven't seen the tiny Voigtlander lenses for the Leica/Voigtlander/Cosina cameras lately you would be surprised at how small some of them are. And they are excellent lenses. As much as I respect Cosina, as it also makes the new Zeiss lenses, I firmly believe Sigma could do as well. The newish 70mm is evidence of that. Sigma might also be able to sell a few lenses to the M8 crowd.

Not sure what all the issues are with making the camera M mount, but I am not objecting to the 16.6/28mm equiv. lens. I would think that making the camera manual focus (using the screen and focus confirmation already there) with a non-retracting lens would simplify the camera, not make it more complicated. They might have to reorganize the exposure system a bit. Surely that is something that is simple enough to do.

But the DP1 is an interesting and exciting concept, for me. If the lens is as good as it can be it should be very good indeed. The images ought to be very crisp.

Richard
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UnderDriven said:
J1000 said:
Each lens would need its own focus mechanisms. Making all this
modular would not only make the interchangeable lenses more
complicated, it would also make them more bulky. Personally I'd just
like to see them get the fixed lens camera done, and then consider
other things.
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I meant gears (the motor would be in the body like you said). I'm sure they could do something, and maybe you're right that it wouldn't be much bigger. I just doubt they could pull off an interchangeable system with this camera, considering it has already been delayed.

It would be neat though, to have a compact camera with interchangeable lenses.
 
fuji natura with its 24mm(film not digital), sigma dp1-28mm digital and canon af-ml with 40/1.9(film not digital) the ideal compact-combination with high-quality. lets see how good new affordable microtek artixscan m1/f1 scanner is.
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it must be small, topquality and affordable for people who want to invest. dp1 cannot be at low price-level. otherwise we will not see any more sigma-innovations. why should they spend time and money if people do not want to accept limitations. go to leica if you can afford.
http://www.europanorama.ch.vu
3dstereo-aeropanorama-marspanoramas
swiss alps like never before
 
michel przewrocki said:
fuji natura with its 24mm(film not digital), sigma dp1-28mm digital
and canon af-ml with 40/1.9(film not digital) the ideal
compact-combination with high-quality. lets see how good new
affordable microtek artixscan m1/f1 scanner is.
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I'm also waiting to find out more about the M1 as I'm not totally done with film yet. I would like to be able to convert all my film formats to digital for digital printing. I have and older 35mm SpintScan and an Epson 2450, but the new M1 could solve all my scanning needs. That along with my film cameras and the SD14 would have everything covered.
JohnW
michel przewrocki said:
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3dstereo-aeropanorama-marspanoramas
swiss alps like never before
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ammca66564 said:
that the DP1 wasn't going to appeal to a relatively narrow audience .
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I don't agree. I think that there are more than enough serious photographers waiting in the wings for the DP1 to arrive.

I wanted this camera to arrive ages ago; however, because it didn't appear I mustered up the cash and bought the Leica M8 and some brilliant glass. I still want a DP1 and I have this gut feeling that the camera will be nothing short of amazing.

My only dissapointment is that the lens will be 28mm equiv. I prefer a 35mm - 50mm myself, but let's be honest, a good photographer can do fine things with a variety of focal lengths.

Even though I have never owned a sigma camera I sense that they are a company who care about the products they produce.
 
I think it's interesting that the Ricoh GR series isn't even sold in the U.S. That's a pretty big market to ignore....
 
IF properly matched to the camera's fixed lens - like the wide and tele converter lenses for the GR-D then image quality is not a problem. Avoids the dust problem or lens mount connection expenses.
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Hello

I think sigma is concentrating on optimal image quality as priority with the dp1, thus no optical zoom at all only a prime 28mm lens and when you consider this it is probably a good choice for such a camera as it will allow reasonable wide angle and decent landscape and street uses for many. Portrait work will be best left to the dslr.

I'd rather this than the canon G series type zoom lens especially with their smaller sensors.

The DP1 will be revolutionary to this industry, I for one can't imagine a point and shoot that will give the quality of my sigma sd cameras!
It's exciting and I wish sigma the best ever sales!

The way they have handled this camera also is commendable, holding off until quality is assured as any other company would have released a dog and let you suffer the consequenses. Good on you sigma.
Don
 
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