Gee what's missing from this article... could it be SONY!!

I should point out that protest is nothing without words, so emails or phone-calls are much better than silence.
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Two Truths said:

Reluctant sellers, however, only sell our system as a last option (if
they cannot sell anything else). They will only boost sales of other
brands, rather than ours, and as such it is less likely for us to
have future product releases.

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Assuming they are indeed reluctant which is a scary thought for the Alpha line. The question is why? Is it because they simply hate Sony? The owner is a Pentax user? or what? Why should a major retailer of such goods be reluctant to sell the Alpha line?

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Two Truths said:

Reluctant sellers, however, only sell our system as a last option (if
they cannot sell anything else). They will only boost sales of other
brands, rather than ours, and as such it is less likely for us to
have future product releases.

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Reluctant Sellers are born from the attitude of too many buyers such as quite a few on this forum, who will simply buy and return at will, such as is being discussed above, irregardless of the consequences their actions have in the overall scheme of things, and will always come back to haunt the rest of us..

Two Truths said:

Sony is a corporation; it will only continue to expand the Alpha
system provided that it is profitable to do so. .........................

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The same can be said for B&H. Are there any FACTS behind the accusations in this thread?! Blaming the messenger is the easy way out!!

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Robert..

--I don't like not seeing the A-700 on the B & H site either.

But, for those of you who have never been in B&H, or have not purused their catalogues, understand this.

There is a SONY counter exclusively for the DSLR's. (As there is for all manufacturers)
SONY products DOMINATE B & H offerings in just about every electronics category
Camcorders, professional video; cameras, monitors, control systems, decks,
TV's PC's, on and on. No other dealer I know in the USA carries as many SONY
P & S models as does B & H.
And, the A-700 is on the backpage of the latest general merchandise catalogue.
In fact SONY product lines are on both the back page and inside back page.
No doubt, those are paid ads, or trade-outs, but you can't say the A-700 is
being buried.
Also, in the DSLR section of the catalogue, the A-100 and A-700 are shown,

as are all the available lenses, accessories, flashes, etc. Even what B & H has left of Konica Minolta lenses are listed there. With each new catalogue over the past year the SONY DSLR page has expanded. There will be more than one page soon.

SONY must be happy with B & H and vice versa. They've done too much business together.
Whatever the reason behind the omission on the web site, understand this.

B & H at Christmas time is one of the busiest stories in the world. If you can, go

there and experience that. Literally, waiting lines are out the door, and it is a huge store.
SONY will get its fair share.
P.S. If you go to B & H this time of year, are stuck waiting in the long lines,
take a break and eat across the street at the Cheynne Cafe. A true diner in

an old railroad car. Food is wonderful and prices reasonable. Saw Mayor Guilliani eating there, after he bought something at B & H. (And he was alone)
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RSS

.....childish nonsense. The fact is that B&H are not the only dealers who are not pushing Sony DSLRs . I suspect that the reason is a poor supply.

In the UK & other parts of Europe many people have yet to see the A700 & the A100 has practically disappeared. Dealers do not turn down the opportunity to sell what some consumers regard as a sure-fire winner - they are more rational & hard headed than that - you can be sure that there is a valid reason for this situation.

Even assuming that Sony did not pay up when asked for inclusion in this article ( & there is absolutely no evidence to back up this slanderous assertion ) why would they be reluctant to spend some of their advertising revenue in the manner in which it is claimed other confident manufacturers were quite happy to do ?? You may not realise it but in your moaning comments you are actually doing Sony a disservice in suggesting that they have no confidence in their DSLRs.

Keith-C

...as I was saying, Sony is not taken seriously. A700 sales are probably very low and it's their own fault. You can't come in with a new brand (and Sony is a new DSLR brand) and think that sales will go through the roof. You have to do pretty much more to cause a ripple in the market. Sony has to win over the retailers and not just the consumers. Retailers get excited by sales and will push for you. They will give good shelf space, catalogue space and do advertising. Sorry to say but Sony is not exciting enough for reatailers.

It's hard to market a bad product. Much easier when you have a winner. A700 is a winner, so whats wrong.

. . . not to push Sony. It's quite another to push every major brand BUT Sony.

B&H have in stock the A100 and A700 in all their kit and body-only variations (according to their web site), so lack of inventory doesn't seem to be the reason for excluding Sony.

If there's a valid reason for excluding just the Sony marque, I'd like to know it. In the absence of a valid explanation, I can only surmise.

And take my business elsewhere.

KEITH-C said:

.....childish nonsense. The fact is that B&H are not the only dealers
who are not pushing Sony DSLRs . I suspect that the reason is a poor
supply.

In the UK & other parts of Europe many people have yet to see the
A700 & the A100 has practically disappeared. Dealers do not turn down
the opportunity to sell what some consumers regard as a sure-fire
winner - they are more rational & hard headed than that - you can be
sure that there is a valid reason for this situation.

Even assuming that Sony did not pay up when asked for inclusion in
this article ( & there is absolutely no evidence to back up this
slanderous assertion ) why would they be reluctant to spend some of
their advertising revenue in the manner in which it is claimed other
confident manufacturers were quite happy to do ?? You may not realise
it but in your moaning comments you are actually doing Sony a
disservice in suggesting that they have no confidence in their DSLRs.

Keith-C

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n/t

great in their marketing. Came from nowhere and look now.

What a silly thread..rumors and assumptions and conspiracies...heheh.
This is funny and sad at the same time.
Russ
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Ken_5D said:

If they are not willing to do the easy things to earn Sony sales like
adding a few words and a picture to a web article.. why should we
reward them? go to someone that earns my money...

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Some people have mentioned how Sony think it's an honour to be allowed to sell their products. In this case, it may be B&H thinking they're so big it's an honour to have them sell one's products, and that they can demand special treatment from Sony or whoever - and if they don't get it, then they can "punish" them.
Of course Sony buyers should not reward that behaviour.

If B&H can only be cheaper than the others by making their suppliers pay the difference, then Sony is doing the right thing. Competition should be on equal terms. Moving more cameras than other shops and getting a bonus is one thing; getting a discount simply for being big is another.

--Keith C:

All of this isn't the end of the world, and you and so many others on this thread
are reacting as if SONY had just sold off its camera business to Holga.
Relax...
Have some tea.
Go take some photographs.

It's SONY...they'll get it right if they are the problem. B & H listens, if they can solve this, they will.

I've bought significant amounts of SONY television gear at B & H. Always plenty of choices, always good service, always the most knowledgable people.

Yes, there are other retailers, as you note, but no where in the Western world that I am aware of, does anyone have more SONY than B & H.
So, be patient. Everybody, chill out,
Maybe a glass of port, Keith, instead of the tea.

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Totally agree with you Stuart.

Looks like he pulled the trigger before thinking about his reply.

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The Facts
1. It is the "Holiday Season"; the prime time for sales in the dSLR market
2. B&H Video has launched their seasonal promotional marketing campaign
3. Every dSLR brand is featured in their campaign except for Sony

Which bit from the above facts do you disagree with?

My Presumptions

4. The above exclusion from B&H's campaign will mean less Sony Alpha dSLRs will be sold during this critical period
5. Sony Alpha relies on selling it's dSLRs in order for it to be profitable

6. If it is not profitable then it is not profitable, Sony will not continue to expand the system.
7. Similarly, third parties will not support the system unless it is profitable

Please note that the ethics or reasons for B&H excluding Sony Alpha has not entered into my above logic chain. I am not making a moral judgement based upon B&H's ethics, rather I am protecting my investment.

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In Europe and the UK, you can arguably justify that sellers (such as Calumet, Jessops, and Warehouse Express) are not pushing Sony Alpha because Sony has not pushed the brand enough itself.

(Even despite all of the photography competitions, road-side billboard adverts, magazine articles, etc etc etc)

However; in the US, I know that Sony's campaign has been a bit more aggressive.

So, the fact that the most well-known US camera shop decides to spend this Holiday Season promoting all dSLRs except for Sony Alpha is rather concerning.

And, if it had anything to do with poor negotiations between Sony and B&H, well now that B&H has a few hundred customer emails saying "do this or else", I think that they will be a little more willing to negotiate.

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Ransom said:

Never have I encountered such a Kindergarten attitude on an Adult
forum! Pitiful....

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B&H want to sell cameras. They make an advertisement for the holiday season. They "forget" to include Sony - something that would be inconceivable if it was about tv's and is highly incomprehensible now that it is about cameras. Sony has just released a long-awaited replacement for the 7D, and the author doesn't know about it?! What's so childish about reacting to that?

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... and I guess many others did it too! Whatever their reason is, IMO
they'll think twice next time...

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Maybe, but you know what? The more I think about this, the madder I get. This was an ARTICLE on their website about a roundup of DSLR cameras, and the Sony did not exist. Last year's Pop Photo camera of the year, with a good chance of being this year's.

I'm thinking I'm with Ken 5D. There are plenty of other sources for equipment, most of whom are lower in price, and just as reliable.

Gary Eickmeier

Greg Beetham said:

I wouldn't be too hasty and blame B&H for everything, we have a facts
vacuum at the moment, after all, we know on occasion that Sony can be
not quite as pure as the driven snow.

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We all E-mailed them and asked why this happened. If there is a facts vacuum, it is because they refuse to answer our direct quesions.

Gary Eickmeier

KEITH-C said:

.....childish nonsense. The fact is that B&H are not the only dealers
who are not pushing Sony DSLRs . I suspect that the reason is a poor
supply.

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We wrote and asked them why they did this. They refused to answer. You can suspect all you want, but they can tell us exactly why, if they wish to.

This leaves us to speculate why they would not want to give us their simple, innocent explanation. Can you think of any reason they would not answer us?

Gary Eickmeier

Two Truths said:

In Europe and the UK, you can arguably justify that sellers (such as
Calumet, Jessops, and Warehouse Express) are not pushing Sony Alpha
because Sony has not pushed the brand enough itself.

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Again I say unto you, this is not about PUSHING a particular brand, or advertising payoffs, or any relationship between Sony and B&H. This was an ARTICLE about a roundup of ALL DSLRs. How about an article about a roundup of all hybrid cars, and forgetting to include the Prius? Would anyone want to know why?

Gary Eickmeier