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Gee what's missing from this article... could it be SONY!!

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I would think it's a bit of all 3. They price might change a hair, since it's not in it's first weeks of sales like the Nikons, and it's not old and set in it's price like the Pentax's. Clearly from what we have seen there is plenty of interest in the bodies. Limited quantities is always an issue with anything. That's why you don't reduce prices on things that are hard to get in (see how the 70-200 went out of stock very fast soon as the price cut hit). Sony is making a ton of A700's, but they look to be selling fast too, BH just got A700s in. One big sales spike and they might be picked clean.

You don't want to be left with advertisements for a body/product and then be sold out of them throughout the sales campaign period after the first 2 days.

Bodies like the Pentax's they are probably trying to clear out, as both should be replaced at PMA. Similar for other items.
 
Sigma also doesn't make all there lenses for A mount. 2 years ago, Sigma had pulled out of the mount completely. So them not listing Sony makes perfect sense. They don't list Pentax either. But sigma does make all their stuff for Canon, Nikon, Sigma.
 
Two Truths said:
Apparently the mods at Dyxum consider the following response to be a
fair and just conclusion to the matter, despite B&H Video still
excluding Sony from their holiday marketing promotion...

Henry stated:

There numerous reasons why any product or brand would be included or
excluded from any marketing individual campaign. Some of these (in no
particular order) might include:
  • The current prices and possible or anticipated price fluctuations
expected for the near future;
  • Customer interest, which could be either that customer interest is
so low additional advertising is an unwise investment or that it's
already so high that additional advertising in unnecessary;
  • Product availability now, but more importantly in the near future
if an advertising campaign results in a substantial increase in
consumer orders.

B&H has always been committed to customer satisfaction and I have
said this over and over and over again in one forum or another -- we
don't care WHAT you buy as long as you're buying what you want and as
long as you're buying the product you'll be happy with. We certainly
care WHERE you buy, but we don't take sides in the
Sony-Nikon-Canon-ETC debate, except as it might relate to an
individual customer's specific shopping priorities

I appreciate brand loyalty, whether to a camera or a retailer, but
the presumption that we're engaged in a malicious campaign is just
not true in any way whatever.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video
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I hope B&H doesn't take it as a malicious campaign if I start buying stuff for my Sony someplace else...

This was a BS answer.

This is my guess. They hit up the local reps for some kind of compensation to be in the article and Sony didn't pay up, which would be fine if it was labled "paid advertisments" if any compensation was given and it is not labled paid, it is also unethical.. so it was a Sony snub by choice or hidden paid ad from brands in the article. Either way it makes we have to think about if I want to give them more money.

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Ken - KM 5D (A700 Joy)
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
PhotoTraveler said:
I would think it's a bit of all 3. They price might change a hair,
since it's not in it's first weeks of sales like the Nikons, and it's
not old and set in it's price like the Pentax's. Clearly from what
we have seen there is plenty of interest in the bodies. Limited
quantities is always an issue with anything. That's why you don't
reduce prices on things that are hard to get in (see how the 70-200
went out of stock very fast soon as the price cut hit). Sony is
making a ton of A700's, but they look to be selling fast too, BH
just got A700s in. One big sales spike and they might be picked
clean.

You don't want to be left with advertisements for a body/product and
then be sold out of them throughout the sales campaign period after
the first 2 days.

Bodies like the Pentax's they are probably trying to clear out, as
both should be replaced at PMA. Similar for other items.
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I received the e-mail promo as well, I suppose if you're a B&H customer...you get the e-mail.

That explanation of Henry's (of B&H) is ok as far as it goes, but there is still something odd as far as I am concerned, I see they didn't have any problem listing the Nikon D3 and the D300 that they don't even have any of, the B&H listing on their site says: Approx. Arrival November, well it will be December in about a week, I suppose when they do show up there will be sufficient numbers too keep everyone happy.....maybe.
Greg
 
Two Truths said:
Henry's response should be visible there:
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23394&PN=2

He also posted it on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/sony_alpha/discuss/72157603270722345/72157603277714519/

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Stuart / the Two Truths
http://www.flickr.com/photos/two_truths/
http://two-truths.deviantart.com/gallery/
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For all the bad PR in key Sony communities on line you would think they could write a paragraph and fix it. Unless everyone in that "article" paid for placement.. which makes it a paid advertisment, that they don't want to admit to.

I say B&H fixes it or marks it as "Paid" or I will go there last instead of first and the funny thing I had several family members trained to get Gift Cards from them .. now have to say don't to it.. Too bad when a good store gets stuborn or tricky about something and suddenly you can't respect them anymore.

the answer is clearly an "I can't / wont tell you the truth, but want to try to placate you" answer

I'm far from placated... Is it an Ad or a snub.. fess up B&H

Tell me an the people reading it that you got paid for those mentions or fix it.. that is all I am asking.
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Ken - KM 5D (A700 Joy)
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Two Truths said:
Henry stated:

There numerous reasons why any product or brand would be included or
excluded from any marketing individual campaign. Some of these (in no
particular order) might include:
  • The current prices and possible or anticipated price fluctuations
expected for the near future;
Click to expand...
This can't be the reason since prices aren't shown in the blurb. Furthermore prices are irrelevant since surely they make a profit on every camera they sell; that's why they're in business. Or are they claiming that they don't make a profit on the A700 and that's why they haven't included it in the list? Just not credible.
Two Truths said:
  • Customer interest, which could be either that customer interest is
so low additional advertising is an unwise investment or that it's
already so high that additional advertising in unnecessary;
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The Pentax offerings are a year old, yet they're listed. The Nikon D3 isn't even available yet, but it's on the list. The Sony A700 has been getting great reviews, so why wouldn't they include it? It's not as though the inclusion would have cost them anything - they're not distributing full colour brochures.
Two Truths said:
  • Product availability now, but more importantly in the near future
if an advertising campaign results in a substantial increase in
consumer orders.
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They list every camera of every major manufacturer, even cameras that have been replaced by newer models, like the 30D and D200. They list cameras that haven't been released, cameras that were released concurrent with the A700, and cameras that were released last year.

Are they worried that if they'd included Sony in the blurb that they'd not have been able to fulfill the orders? What a predicament - more orders than they can fill! Surely that's a retailers dream.
Two Truths said:
B&H has always been committed to customer satisfaction and I have
said this over and over and over again in one forum or another -- we
don't care WHAT you buy as long as you're buying what you want and as
long as you're buying the product you'll be happy with. We certainly
care WHERE you buy, but we don't take sides in the
Sony-Nikon-Canon-ETC debate, except as it might relate to an
individual customer's specific shopping priorities
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Mr. Posner's explanation doesn't wash.

Not listing Sony when all their competition is listed makes it look like B&H doesn't consider the A700 to be competitive. Sure looks to me like they're taking sides against Sony.

I was about to buy a Sony computer through B&H, but if they're going to work against my brand of choice, I'll just choose another retailer.
 
B&H didn't just miss a couple of camera models (A100, A700), they managed to miss an entire brand, something smells methinks.
Greg
 
...was probably the envelope full of dead presidents from Sony to participate in the ad.

Co-opting ads is common. Full pages of HP products don't appear in OfficeMax flyers from kindness or charity.

Perhaps a better answer from B&H would have been; "Sony chose not to participate in this advertisement..."

I must say after buying from B&H for 30+ years, I am a bit stung by this. Some of their practices like raising the price of SanDisk cards $40 on the day that a $50 rebate appears are starting to gall me too. Business is business, but it doesn't feel as friendly as it used to.

--
Dave Pierce

http://www.pptphoto.com
http://www.pbase.com/pierce324

The early bird may get the worm...
but the second mouse gets the cheese!
 
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... and I guess many others did it too! Whatever their reason is, IMO they'll think twice next time...

... Lucas
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You're welcome to: http://www.pbase.com/lucaspix/root

Always having fun with photography ...

 
I am sending them back a lens via return policy. When I was asked why, I said B+H doesn't represent my brand nor do they have competitive pricing.

End of line. Make them pay you back, $ hurts them the most. Not emails or phone calls.

Carl
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Im here: http://www.carlgarrardphotography.com

 
I wouldn't be too hasty and blame B&H for everything, we have a facts vacuum at the moment, after all, we know on occasion that Sony can be not quite as pure as the driven snow.

On face value, that B&H could accidently "miss" a major brand in what essentially is only an e-mail promo for the dslr brands/models available from B&H, is strange to say the least, but what are the circumstances??
Greg
 
Never have I encountered such a Kindergarten attitude on an Adult forum! Pitiful....
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Robert..
 
Carl,

Um, we may have to return that Cokin filter ring then! :)

-Alex

J/K... I don't even have the receipt anymore!
cgarrard said:
I am sending them back a lens via return policy. When I was asked
why, I said B+H doesn't represent my brand nor do they have
competitive pricing.

End of line. Make them pay you back, $ hurts them the most. Not
emails or phone calls.
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-Alex

From the minds of Minolta to the imagination of Sony, Alpha, like no other.

http://www.pbase.com/lonewolf69
 
Nope.

This is just capitalism at it's greatest - a consumer protest.
It is our most effective means of influence over the store.

We are investing a large amount of our money (as well as time and effort) into the Alpha system. It is better for us, and better for the system, to make our investments via a seller who supports the system, rather than one who would rather sell us another system instead.

For ourselves; using a supportive seller means we can go back to the same seller for further purchases, etc. However; a reluctant seller is more likely not to replenish their stock once it has all gone, replenishing it with their preferred brand(s) instead.

For the system; supportive sellers boost sales, which is a rather criticial time in for the Alpha system. This means that there are more likely to be future releases of new cameras, accessories, and lenses (incl third-party ones).

Reluctant sellers, however, only sell our system as a last option (if they cannot sell anything else). They will only boost sales of other brands, rather than ours, and as such it is less likely for us to have future product releases.

Sony is a corporation; it will only continue to expand the Alpha system provided that it is profitable to do so. Konica Minolta made a loss for several years running from this system, hence why they withdrew. Therefore, I take the survival of the system very seriously.

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Stuart / the Two Truths
http://www.flickr.com/photos/two_truths/
http://two-truths.deviantart.com/gallery/
 
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