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lanef said:
lanef said:
I am not claiming our police is perfect but ay least they are vigilant and
arrest villains and malcontents.
Veejay Chatterjee (Mr)
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Yes, but don’t forget cops are human beings like you and me and they
are not infallible and must not think that they are above the law.
Very often some think that wearing the uniform gives them a licence
to dominate. That's why we need checks and balances to make sure they
do not abuse power and break the law themselves. What is wrong with
that?
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What the hell is a "malcontent?" In America a Cop would risk going to jail if he went around harrassing "malcontents."

mal·con·tent (māl'kən-těnt') Pronunciation Key
adj. Dissatisfied with existing conditions.

n.
1. A chronically dissatisfied person.

In the Soviet Union they arrested malcontents, but no where is the USA is being a chronically disatisfied person a crime. A very revealing statement indeed.

Dave
 
Veejay is right, this Constitution seems to protect the wrong persons.
Hard working cops are victimized by obnoxious photographer.
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Windmills, just do it.
 
WGArts said:
WGArts2 said:
So has the U.S. Government tried to restrict people's rights under
the guise of 9/11? Yes.
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This is a freaking oft-repeated left-wing distortion. As is often
asked, name me ONE RIGHT that has been taken away. NAME ONE.
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How about the USA PATRIOT act of 2001?
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

How about allowing use of National Security letters on US citizens who are not even accused of being terrorists?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/05/AR2005110501366.html

How about indefinite detentions of enemy combatants - by the way, US citizens can be classified as an enemy combatant. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla (Supreme Court said habeas corpus petition had been improperly filed, so it did not rule) and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (Supreme Court overturned this one, at least).

Let's see, this indefinite detentions violates the following rights (from the NYC bar, http://www.abcny.org/pdf/1C_WL06 !.pdf):

• the right not to be detained except pursuant to a statute authorizing the detention;

• the right not to be detained without the prompt proffer of specific criminal charges;

• the right to test the legality of the detention in the federal courts through the writ of habeas corpus at a meaningful evidentiary hearing;

• the right to consult with and to be represented by counsel concerning the detention, and in connection with a habeas corpus hearing challenging it.

Is that enough for you?
 
veejay chatterjee said:
Charlie Self said:
lanef said:
Charlie Self said:
dh steffi said:
As a non-native speaker I sometimes miss the point and read what I
think is logical.
I thought the person who obstructed the police had to pay $8000 fine
to avoid going to jail. Now I understand he was rewarded for his
outrageous behaviour.
This pure madness, getting paid for doing wrong.
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Please. Stay behind your dikes.
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Or, go and fight the windmills.
veejay chatterjee said:
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LOL. His/her first initial is D. For Don, perhaps? Sancho Panza
is...WGArt?

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Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
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I am thinking that disagreement is being one thing but being too lazy
to identify persons gender is not good manners. This person is a
lady, not a man.
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Veejay Chatterjee (Mr)
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I must have missed some identifier. It certainly in this person's profile, at least that I can find.

Or maybe you had one of your brilliant intuitions.

--
Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
 
J00cy Juice said:
The police in this country spent half the time they spend being
jackasses and actually busted some real criminals...
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Right on!!

I can relate this to what happened to me a few years ago when I was badly beaten by punks who didn't care for me following them to their car after I heard them vandalizing my neighbor's property.. with cell phone in hand, on the phone with the 911 operator,..(recorded phone call).. I confronted the crack heads and one of them sucker-punched me as I turned to look at the home address of where I was , leveled me, him and his buddies began kicking me while I was on the ground! They heard the police sirens coming, took off in their car, and within a few minutes, they were busted..and I positively I.D.'ed them. A few months later, I get something in the mail saying they were issued "disorderly conduct tickets"..

Contrast that with a friend of mine who's wife was prosecuted by the same DA because she, a law abiding citizen, mother of two including a newborn baby, married, no police record whatsoever, worked for the county, and was at home on disability because of a back injury, was given too much money by mistake from the county, which she spent on food, & bills for her family, She is now a convicted felon! She spent 9 months in JAIL! plus 18 months on PROBATION!!

She wasn't even given the option of paying back THEIR G.D. mistake!!

The system is meant to provide help to criminal PUNKS but if you are a law abiding citizen, they take you to task!

I have NO trust for the police nor the DA any longer! & this is just another example of the police going too far..

Here is another example!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFUpa0OwlyU

JP

--

I'm no 'John Holmes', but I do have a rather 'Large' lens..

http://www.Myspace.com/JPphotographer

 
dh and vj have it pretty close. But it's not the US Constitution that is the problem, it's the whacked lawyers and judges who enforce and interpret it. I'm not saying in this case the cops were right or wrong. I dont know the facts, none of us do. The police felt for whatever reason that this photographer was interfering with their work and they have every right to haul his or her butt in when they feel that way. Next, they have to justify it. In this case for whatever reason it was felt that the police mishandled the situation and a settlement of $8000 was handed out to the photographer. In any case, that's a paltry sum - barely enough to buy a good Canon! So I think we're all jousting at windmills here. Everything worked out.

THe police in the US are actually under assault from the left, as are most agencies that try to protect us from ourselves and others. There wa a recent video posted taken by a police cars' dash camera. (These have been installed to monitor police more than to capture criminals.) In this case, the cop was trying to arrest a young black woman for whatever reason. He (the cop) made d_mn sure everything he did was right in front of the camera so that the woman couldnt make any false claims. But you just cant anticipate the action of 'criminals', especially those who are probably high on something. I watched the whole video and the cop was trying his best to handcuff her without causing any physical damage. She was resisting with everything she had, and at one point shje sunk her teeth into his wrist. He reacted, as most people might, angrily by hitting her in the face and slamming her on the hood of the car. She then relented and was cuffed. Even with the video of this, the leftie whackos are calling this guy a pig and a bully and a racist and calling for his badge. There is absolutely no winning with these people. Ity is actually scary that they are gaining so much plitical power here. One of the ways they are bulding their voting 'base' is with illegals voting. THe dems resist every effort to have IDs required for voting. THey have invented the motor-voter law. They would gladly accept votes from dogs, cats and monkeys in suits if they could figure a way. They are power mad and sick to the core.
dh steffi said:
Veejay is right, this Constitution seems to protect the wrong persons.
Hard working cops are victimized by obnoxious photographer.
--
Windmills, just do it.
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All bogus, dave the 2nd.

We are at war, fool, remember? What was taken away fromn Padilla was his "right" to kill Americans (you perhaps?). And I thank the administration for capturing the SOB, may he rot in jail. Any other "Americans" like the ones in Jersey or NY or Ca who threaten those of us who want to live our lives in peace should be hauled off too.

Guantanamo, same thing. It's a WAR. They're trying to protect American lives.

Patriot act takes away NOTHING. AND it was passed by Congress, and there are some democrats in congress, eh?

National Security letters? DOnt you hav to run track or play football to get lettered?
dave_s93 said:
WGArts said:
dave_s93 said:
So has the U.S. Government tried to restrict people's rights under
the guise of 9/11? Yes.
Click to expand...
This is a freaking oft-repeated left-wing distortion. As is often
asked, name me ONE RIGHT that has been taken away. NAME ONE.
Click to expand...
How about the USA PATRIOT act of 2001?
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

How about allowing use of National Security letters on US citizens
who are not even accused of being terrorists?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/05/AR2005110501366.html

How about indefinite detentions of enemy combatants - by the way, US
citizens can be classified as an enemy combatant. See Rumsfeld v.
Padilla (Supreme Court said habeas corpus petition had been
improperly filed, so it did not rule) and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (Supreme
Court overturned this one, at least).

Let's see, this indefinite detentions violates the following rights
(from the NYC bar, http://www.abcny.org/pdf/1C_WL06 !.pdf):
• the right not to be detained except pursuant to a statute
authorizing the detention;
• the right not to be detained without the prompt proffer of specific
criminal charges;
• the right to test the legality of the detention in the federal
courts through the writ of habeas corpus at a meaningful evidentiary
hearing;
• the right to consult with and to be represented by counsel
concerning the detention, and in connection with a habeas corpus
hearing challenging it.

Is that enough for you?
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Yeah, Charlie, and I visited your web site and can say the same for your photos. Give a 3rd grade class disposable cameras and they'll putdo your schlock.
Charlie Self said:
Chato said:
dh steffi said:
He is one of those spreading the truth. I admire his keen perception
of society.
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Windmills, just do it.
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We have WG applauding a Soviet style police act, and then attacking
the Courts for correcting it, indeed, even the police themsleves
correcting it, and DH demanding even more than WG wants.

It's a comedy of contradictions.

You have to love these two clowns!
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But not much. I've seen and heard far better clowns at circuses put
on by five year old kids.

--
Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
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I have been threatened with arrest under similar circumstances over the years and I can tell you it's not fun.... I was glad to hear the outcome and was not surprised by it.... Although today, this is unusual because with cameras everywhere digital, cell phone, video coupled with similar case settling the same way. PD's now are actually instructing their officers in the training academies what the photographers rights are and now they generally don't bother you if you're truely not doing anything wrong.... Although if they try hard enough, they can always make something up..... My thing is if they don't have anything to worry about then what are they worrying about?
 
Assuming these stories are true, you can thank the left wing whackos for this, not the police and I suspect you know that.

Once the police take you in, their job is done, except perhaps for testifying, though in this case, you should have been involved in that. At this point the whacked public defenders and liberal judges take over. If your attackers were black, Jesse and Al Sharpton will also step in, with the local liberal news media, to protect the poor downtrodden negroes from jail time for beating the cr_p out of a rich white racist like you. (See Jena 6 for example of this).

So, aim your ire at the ACLU, not the police.
Rootbeer said:
J00cy Juice said:
The police in this country spent half the time they spend being
jackasses and actually busted some real criminals...
Click to expand...
Right on!!

I can relate this to what happened to me a few years ago when I was
badly beaten by punks who didn't care for me following them to their
car after I heard them vandalizing my neighbor's property.. with cell
phone in hand, on the phone with the 911 operator,..(recorded phone
call).. I confronted the crack heads and one of them sucker-punched
me as I turned to look at the home address of where I was , leveled
me, him and his buddies began kicking me while I was on the ground!
They heard the police sirens coming, took off in their car, and
within a few minutes, they were busted..and I positively I.D.'ed
them. A few months later, I get something in the mail saying they
were issued "disorderly conduct tickets"..

Contrast that with a friend of mine who's wife was prosecuted by the
same DA because she, a law abiding citizen, mother of two including a
newborn baby, married, no police record whatsoever, worked for the
county, and was at home on disability because of a back injury, was
given too much money by mistake from the county, which she spent on
food, & bills for her family, She is now a convicted felon! She spent
9 months in JAIL! plus 18 months on PROBATION!!

She wasn't even given the option of paying back THEIR G.D. mistake!!

The system is meant to provide help to criminal PUNKS but if you are
a law abiding citizen, they take you to task!

I have NO trust for the police nor the DA any longer! & this is just
another example of the police going too far..

Here is another example!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFUpa0OwlyU

JP

--

I'm no 'John Holmes', but I do have a rather 'Large' lens..

http://www.Myspace.com/JPphotographer

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WGArts said:
THe police in the US are actually under assault from the left, as are
most agencies that try to protect us from ourselves and others. There
wa a recent video posted taken by a police cars' dash camera. (These
have been installed to monitor police more than to capture
criminals.) In this case, the cop was trying to arrest a young black
woman for whatever reason. He (the cop) made d_mn sure everything he
did was right in front of the camera so that the woman couldnt make
any false claims. But you just cant anticipate the action of
'criminals', especially those who are probably high on something. I
watched the whole video and the cop was trying his best to handcuff
her without causing any physical damage. She was resisting with
everything she had, and at one point shje sunk her teeth into his
wrist. He reacted, as most people might, angrily by hitting her in
the face and slamming her on the hood of the car. She then relented
and was cuffed. Even with the video of this, the leftie whackos are
calling this guy a pig and a bully and a racist and calling for his
badge. There is absolutely no winning with these people. Ity is
actually scary that they are gaining so much plitical power here. One
of the ways they are bulding their voting 'base' is with illegals
voting. THe dems resist every effort to have IDs required for voting.
THey have invented the motor-voter law. They would gladly accept
votes from dogs, cats and monkeys in suits if they could figure a
way. They are power mad and sick to the core.
dh steffi said:
Veejay is right, this Constitution seems to protect the wrong persons.
Hard working cops are victimized by obnoxious photographer.
--
Windmills, just do it.
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In a free country, people have a right to say what they want, and in a free country we have a right not to believe them.

Now in the case you mention above, I am not familiar with it. Are you saying that no one has a right to disagree with you on this case? Perhaps if they disagree they should be locked up?

So, why not tell us whether this officer has lost his job? Been disciplined? Facing penalties?

But in the case being discussed on THIS thread, the police themselves disciplined the officers involved. Apparently you have a real problem with a free society. While you mock those who call this a Soviet style act, you in fact DEMAND a Soviet style response.

I find that very revealing. Your definition of Freedom starts and stops with the Right to choose between hamburgers and hot dogs on the Forth of July.

I suggest you take a look at that Communist document called the The Constituion of the United States of America.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

Yes, it's not what you claim it to be. It's not interested in Hot dogs and Hamburgers. It's the finest governing document in the history of humanity, and your continued attacks on it are also very revealing.

Dave
 
Do you post from Bellview?

You read things into my posts that are straight out of mental delusion - or liberal arts 101, same thing. You make not one single valid point or observation about anything I wrote.

If I can find the video, I'll post a link. I don't know what happened to the cop, but I suspect Al sharpton and jesse and all the race hustlers got involved to make sure he was punished for hitting this poor girl after he removed her teeth from his wrist.

And please, Dave, dont try to impress us all with your kowledge. It doesnt go far or deep. Like your photography.
Chato said:
WGArts said:
THe police in the US are actually under assault from the left, as are
most agencies that try to protect us from ourselves and others. There
wa a recent video posted taken by a police cars' dash camera. (These
have been installed to monitor police more than to capture
criminals.) In this case, the cop was trying to arrest a young black
woman for whatever reason. He (the cop) made d_mn sure everything he
did was right in front of the camera so that the woman couldnt make
any false claims. But you just cant anticipate the action of
'criminals', especially those who are probably high on something. I
watched the whole video and the cop was trying his best to handcuff
her without causing any physical damage. She was resisting with
everything she had, and at one point shje sunk her teeth into his
wrist. He reacted, as most people might, angrily by hitting her in
the face and slamming her on the hood of the car. She then relented
and was cuffed. Even with the video of this, the leftie whackos are
calling this guy a pig and a bully and a racist and calling for his
badge. There is absolutely no winning with these people. Ity is
actually scary that they are gaining so much plitical power here. One
of the ways they are bulding their voting 'base' is with illegals
voting. THe dems resist every effort to have IDs required for voting.
THey have invented the motor-voter law. They would gladly accept
votes from dogs, cats and monkeys in suits if they could figure a
way. They are power mad and sick to the core.
dh steffi said:
Veejay is right, this Constitution seems to protect the wrong persons.
Hard working cops are victimized by obnoxious photographer.
--
Windmills, just do it.
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In a free country, people have a right to say what they want, and in
a free country we have a right not to believe them.

Now in the case you mention above, I am not familiar with it. Are you
saying that no one has a right to disagree with you on this case?
Perhaps if they disagree they should be locked up?

So, why not tell us whether this officer has lost his job? Been
disciplined? Facing penalties?

But in the case being discussed on THIS thread, the police themselves
disciplined the officers involved. Apparently you have a real problem
with a free society. While you mock those who call this a Soviet
style act, you in fact DEMAND a Soviet style response.

I find that very revealing. Your definition of Freedom starts and
stops with the Right to choose between hamburgers and hot dogs on the
Forth of July.

I suggest you take a look at that Communist document called the The
Constituion of the United States of America.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

Yes, it's not what you claim it to be. It's not interested in Hot
dogs and Hamburgers. It's the finest governing document in the
history of humanity, and your continued attacks on it are also very
revealing.

Dave
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Making such unpleasant remarks testifies of a pityful self-esteem.
Do not bow, learn to stand up and have a real opinion.
--
Windmills, just do it.
 
WGArts said:
Do you post from Bellview?

You read things into my posts that are straight out of mental
delusion - or liberal arts 101, same thing. You make not one single
valid point or observation about anything I wrote.

If I can find the video, I'll post a link. I don't know what happened
to the cop, but I suspect Al sharpton and jesse and all the race
hustlers got involved to make sure he was punished for hitting this
poor girl after he removed her teeth from his wrist.

And please, Dave, dont try to impress us all with your kowledge. It
doesnt go far or deep. Like your photography.
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So, you just made the story up? No links? No proof? Nothing? And where are the speeches of Sharpton, Jackson and company? No links?

But I will say, that if I take this as an apocrophyl story, it might very well be true.

So what?

In a free country, meaning a country that you can't stand, people have rights, and those include the right to be wrong. Yes, isn't that a shameful thing. No wonder you are so upset.

But you too have a right to be wrong, a right you exercise almost continiously.

Dave
 
veejay chatterjee said:
Charlie Self said:
veejay chatterjee said:
dh steffi said:
Charlie Self said:
dh steffi said:
These kind of answers are disappointing and frightening. We need
people who make a firm stance for old-fashioned values.
--
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If you're serious, and not trolling as I think you are, you had
better be frightened. Apres Bush, we will return to most of our old
fashioned values, which you seem totally unable to recognize.

Or is the John Birch Society alive and well?

--
Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
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That is such a silly argument to tell people they are trolling when
they really express their deepest believes. You get nervous being
confronted with peopöe who still have morals and rightenousness.
--
Windmills, just do it.
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I am agreeing with this. Morals of many young western visitors to
India are somewhat deplorable at times, looking for cheap thrills
rather than enjoying our historic sights and unique culture.
I am wondering if too much attention is being paid in western society
to attention seekers and 'celebrities'. There is being no obvious
reason to pay this man thousands of dollars , maybe the cost of his
taxi or bus fare home is OK, but no more than that is justified.
--
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Sure. Actually, I was a bit disappointed that he didn't get more. The
bigger the sting in the department's pocket book, the less likely
they are to do something like this again.

Neither my morals, nor those of today's youngsters, have any bearing
on this discussion. I could do a fair to middling dance on problems
of areas, maybe partly caused by DIFFERENT morality than that which
many of us observe, but it is neither relevant, nor, in fact, any of
my business...thus, I'll leave the moralizing to the Dutch and the
Indians, none of whom have any problems with morals whatsoever.

--
Charlie Self
http://www.charlieselfonline.com
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It is not a question of morality, is is being a question of respect.
I am not fornicating or using substances in the public places and on
the beaches of Europe or the USA. All I am asking is for Westerners
to show the same respect for our ways when they are in my country.
Sadly, this is all to often not so.
Veejay Chatterjee (Mr)
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If you come to America, you could use your own values, and sue the local, state, or federal government to be able to have your own morals in our country. You could sue for prayer mats, foot washers, or any other number of things you require that we don't give.

--
http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

 
So if you think it is wrong or not of someone to document an event with a camera....there is no law allowing the arrest of this person.

Not sure why you are on a camera related message system when you promote arresting people taking photographs.
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http://www.pbase.com/ewhalen

 
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