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Reg Ister said:
Stefan Rohner h said:
I love the word "rude", then when we understand that it is not
possible to be "rude" to pictures, then we will become better
photographers, then will will start to learn and improve our work, we
will see that boring dog and cat pictures, or sweet children
pictures are something nice to look at for the family, but not for
third parts.
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Utterly nonsense.
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yes, if you say so....

It is so because you decided that it should be so?

yes for myself, but you dont have to agree...
Reg Ister said:
A leica is not to make pictures around the house and of the family
and if you do so
you are not allowed to share it?
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you can share them whenever you feel like! and wherever you feel like... I did not write that it is not "allowed".

Should this be a forum for artistical
Reg Ister said:
pictures only?
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not at all, you can show here whatever you feel like.

and are you going to decide what is good and what is
Reg Ister said:
not good?
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yes, I decide for myself... my taste does not have to be the same then yours.
Reg Ister said:
It seems the opinion here that the camera is not the determinant
factor, but the photographer is. That means that the criteria here
should not be different than in other forums. According to you , we
should stop posting the picturese made for pleasure in all forums?
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where did I write that you should stop to post pictures?
Reg Ister said:
Btw, do the children that you photograph and publish on the web agree
to be exposed/published?
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are you the lawyer from the children I publish on the web? if you represent them you can send me a written letter by post, if you need my address let me know.
Reg Ister said:
Tim

PS: your latest picture could support some cropping...
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I dont crop my pictures...

and at least: you should read more carfully.

regards Stefan

--
http://www.stefan-rohner.net
http://www.ball-saal.com

'Photography in the net is not about capturing light with a camera, caring about composition, aesthetics and most of all evoking feelings through the mood of the picture. Photography in the net is about rating the right pictures, sweet-talking the right photographers, this is what gives you their attention, and this is the way to become a great photographer yourself. '
 
I decide for myself what is boring, not for you and not for the forum.

and this is just boring to me... composition? depth? light? this is the typical picture for mammi and papi and the other family members.



--
http://www.stefan-rohner.net
http://www.ball-saal.com

'Photography in the net is not about capturing light with a camera, caring about composition, aesthetics and most of all evoking feelings through the mood of the picture. Photography in the net is about rating the right pictures, sweet-talking the right photographers, this is what gives you their attention, and this is the way to become a great photographer yourself. '
 
it is part of the new Mac Email system of Leopard, you just paste the pictures from your hard drive in there, mammis and papis will be very happy to receive emails with that kitsch decoration.

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http://www.stefan-rohner.net
http://www.ball-saal.com

'Photography in the net is not about capturing light with a camera, caring about composition, aesthetics and most of all evoking feelings through the mood of the picture. Photography in the net is about rating the right pictures, sweet-talking the right photographers, this is what gives you their attention, and this is the way to become a great photographer yourself. '
 
Stefan Rohner h said:
I love the word "rude", then when we understand that it is not
possible to be "rude" to pictures, then we will become better
photographers, then will will start to learn and improve our work, we
will see that boring dog and cat pictures, or sweet children
pictures are something nice to look at for the family, but not for
third parts.
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I think I'm beginning to understand what's going on here. While I don't comepletely agree with your last statement, there is some truth to it. To find something interesting (not boring) you have to have some interest in the subject matter to begin with. So maybe you have no interest in dogs or cats or sweet children, Stefan? But even if you did, those same pictures could still be boring to you because they were nothing more than snapshots taken without any creative approach applied to the making of them. Fair enough.

I also have felt the same about many of the non-dog/cat/sweet children pictures posted here. Many of the street pictures leave me yawning for another breath just to keep from nodding off from a brief 5 second viewing! (And yes, I have to confess to having posted a couple of those myself at times! LOL!) Sometimes those boring street pictures are boring to me because I have no interest in them, but other times it's just because it's blatantly clear that the photographer had no vision in mind and no ability to conjure up any at that moment. Sometimes those photographers get into the same narrow-minded ego trap photographing another boring street scene, as a father does when photographing his sweet child once again. Yes, they get into the same sentimental trap that "sweet children" photographers get into. Instead of gushing over the sweet children, they are gushing over themselves. And they aren't even aware of it most of the time.

When it comes to a picture being "boring" or "interesting", much of that is a result of our own initial interest in the subject matter. But when it comes to a picture being cast in that light beyond the issue of interest, then we are all left with something to learn from, whether it be a picture of a dog or a street. Sometimes you have to have the experience of appreciating the subject before you can get beyond the lack of interest. But when we don't have that experience to draw upon for interest, it becomes the first exercise in learning how to love the world. And that's when our interest begins to grow beyond anything we could ever imagine.
--
  • markE
http://www.wingsoflight.com

'Good photography is a controlled accident,
a vision of preparation and surrender materialized.'

 
--
http://www.stefan-rohner.net
http://www.ball-saal.com

'Photography in the net is not about capturing light with a camera, caring about composition, aesthetics and most of all evoking feelings through the mood of the picture. Photography in the net is about rating the right pictures, sweet-talking the right photographers, this is what gives you their attention, and this is the way to become a great photographer yourself. '
 
LOL!

Thanks for the laugh before I head off to work.

I wish that EVERYONE here have non-boring day.
TEBnewyork said:
I'm not really sure why you are wasting your time here with us mere
mortals. Wouldn't you behave a greatertter off working with galleries
to let your work be seen by people who have a greater level of
photographic understanding?

--

terry
http://tbanet.zenfolio.com/
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--
  • markE
http://www.wingsoflight.com

'Good photography is a controlled accident,
a vision of preparation and surrender materialized.'

 
Jim, I agree with everything you said, and I hope that this storm on Leica Forum will pass away very quickly! I am new in this forum (in any forum), and I was very happy to be here, to learn, to exchange views, and to simply see nice pictures. But soon, I felt very uncomfortable by some threads, and I often wondered if some “praise” for some pictures were real or just jokes!.... I also noticed that some of those who were making troubles were new in this Forum like myself, and I wondered what was their purpose to act that way!?....

Fortunately, there are some other great people such as yourself, Jono, Hans, Terry, among others, that make this Forum still look good!.... When I first learned about this Forum and started to visit it, there was also another photographer, CharlesG, that I enjoyed greatly the work! I remember some very nasty threads and comments agaist him, which made him leave this Forum. I hope this will not happen to other great people who are contributing to Leica Forum, and this Forum will soon return to normal.

Stefan is a great photographer that I really enjoy the work. Because of the respect I have for him, I felt very uncomfortable for his association with 23NB! But I hope to enjoy his work again soon. He, his talented wife and their beautiful daughter make a wonderful and inspiring family.
Louis

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/14976190@N06/sets/72157602568581393/
 
I think it's an attempt at humorous insider banter. All a bit leaden-footed for my taste, though. But then I don't think we are meant to appreciate the esoteric to-and-fro of these photographic Olympians. It's enough that they deign to let us glimpse them amusing themselves.
TEBnewyork said:
I'm not really sure why you are wasting your time here with us mere
mortals. Wouldn't you be better off working with galleries to let
your work be seen by people who have a greater level of photographic
understanding?
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I agree with your premise Stefan...and enjoy your website..
but...you will get trashed for that view here...

Here is another example of what I think is wasted space on this FORUM....

Its someone just snapping away and then posting the results...whatever they may be here....( I will get beat up for being honest here)
EMBC said:


......taken with V-Lux 1 in overcast conditions.....Halloween afternoon

At first glance it appears a blurred mish mash but it's actually
surprisingly quite sharp
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We can ignore this...
But it wasnt what this Forum was supposed to be....or was in the past..

There is a SAMPLE and GALLERIE FORUM on DPR for this.....

Cheers:)
 
yellow tree...

"""I agree with your premise Stefan...and enjoy your website..
but...you will get trashed for that view here... """

no problem with that, even if they drive by in groups with buses, my opinion will not change. photography is more then just showing the surface of something... boring postcards we can buy at the newspaper kiosk.

--
http://www.stefan-rohner.net
http://www.ball-saal.com

'Photography in the net is not about capturing light with a camera, caring about composition, aesthetics and most of all evoking feelings through the mood of the picture. Photography in the net is about rating the right pictures, sweet-talking the right photographers, this is what gives you their attention, and this is the way to become a great photographer yourself. '
 
L_Objectif said:
I am new in this forum (in
any forum), and I was very happy to be here, to learn, to exchange
views, and to simply see nice pictures.
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And if I have not already said this: Welcome. Please stay, enjoy and contribute, ask questions, exchange ideas.. that is what it is all about.
l_objectif said:
But soon, I felt very
uncomfortable by some threads, and I often wondered if some “praise”
for some pictures were real or just jokes!.... I also noticed that
some of those who were making troubles were new in this Forum like
myself, and I wondered what was their purpose to act that way!?....
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It runs the gamut... from just lack of social skills to mean spiritied, feeling superior to others, to just wanting attention. It's the same in every forum on DPReview, there is always a few who wish to stir the pot and play with the minds of others.

Most of us are amateurs. We love photography and do it for our own gratification and wish to share what we do with others. There are a few who seem to demand or expect others to perform in the same manner as they do, to think the same way about photography as they do. It is an expectation that will never be fulfilled as we all have different views and, for lack of a better word, styles.
l_objectif said:
Fortunately, there are some other great people such as yourself,
Jono, Hans, Terry, among others, that make this Forum still look
good!.... When I first learned about this Forum and started to visit
it, there was also another photographer, CharlesG, that I enjoyed
greatly the work! I remember some very nasty threads and comments
agaist him, which made him leave this Forum. I hope this will not
happen to other great people who are contributing to Leica Forum, and
this Forum will soon return to normal.
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You have to develop a thick skin here. There are those who, for one reason or another, simply don't play well with others. No one here is looking for nothing but praise as some seem to think. We all desire to become better at what we do with our photography. If someone makes a negative comment about our photography, we need to be able to take it in stride. However; there is a difference between a comment that is negative and one that is simply caustic and offered only as barb by someone who believes they are superior to others here.

This is basically an amateur forum and any pros who enter here should know that and not expect everyone to live up to their abilities or expectations.
l_objectif said:
Stefan is a great photographer that I really enjoy the work.
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I agree. Stefan appears to be a very accomplished photographer, as is his wife. I enjoy his work and hers.
l_objectif said:
Because
of the respect I have for him, I felt very uncomfortable for his
association with 23NB! But I hope to enjoy his work again soon. He,
his talented wife and their beautiful daughter make a wonderful and
inspiring family.
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I decided early on to let 23NB's posts go without response on my part. He clearly needed no input from me so none was offered. Stefan, on the other hand, appeared to be cut from different cloth. I look forward to his posts but sometime they seem to be talking down to the forum and that is unfortunate.

--
Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com/dlux3
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
In exposing triumphantly my supposed lack of taste you show only your lack of understanding of my posting a comment for an amateur in a friendly and encouraging manner so that he might be pulled a little in a direction I'd like to see him developing. And being sometimes in accordance with mums and dads is only a bogeyman for adolescents.

Your ways to educate people here by rude remarks, sarcasm and snide condescension are just ridiculous in their negativeness. And it is never you who could do something better, always only the others. It's always only your right to utter a personal opinion, but you imply it to be objectively true and normative whereas the opinions of the others appear as only subjective (and often more or less stupid). You act as the king, and because not everybody doesn't play this game you are sarcastic, take many here for morons and pursue merciless even the amateurish photographers. What you confront us with each of your posts at the bottom line is a bombastic blame that obviously contradicts your declared official aim of your posts and makes your participation here absurd.
 
Par70 said:
I agree with your premise Stefan...and enjoy your website..
but...you will get trashed for that view here...

Here is another example of what I think is wasted space on this
FORUM....
Its someone just snapping away and then posting the
results...whatever they may be here....( I will get beat up for being
honest here)
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There are those who might think any number of images posted here are wasted space, mine, yours, Jono's, Tim's... pick anyone... there will always be someone who does not appreciate the work of others. Technically the space is not wasted as the image is hosted elsewhere, not here.
Par70 said:
We can ignore this...
But it wasnt what this Forum was supposed to be....or was in the past..
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Absolute truth.. you can ignore it but you did not.
Par70 said:
There is a SAMPLE and GALLERIE FORUM on DPR for this.....
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This is the most lame comment ANYONE makes regarding images posted in forums. It is used over and over and serves no purpose. I believe the samples and galleries section is for those posting a multitude of images, not a single image or two.

Most people who visit the Leica forum wish to see images taken with the gear and lenses they use. Samples and galleries is an A to Z pit-stop. It takes forever to filter through the Sigma, Canon, Nikon, Samsung, Brand Whatever image to find a Leica image.

The samples and galleries argument has been beaten to death in every forum on DPReview and I am truly surpised you would make such a statement. Is that where you post your images? You never post here?

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Par70 said:
But it wasnt what this Forum was supposed to be....or was in the past..
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These forums are supposed to be about digital cameras... not scanned film images. Now, you can stretch "digital" as much as you wish.. but if you are talking about what the forum was supposed to be, it says nothing about scanning in 3 year old film images taken with an M3 or any or film camera. In fact, no mention of film cameras is ever made.

Personally, I do not care if the images are scanned film images or straight out of a camera digital. I enjoy them all, even those I lack the mental capacity to understand.

Part 3
Par70 said:
But it wasnt what this Forum was supposed to be....or was in the past..
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This forum has been the same since it began. I know, I've been here since day one of its existance and have appreciated ALL of the images. Here's what is at the top of the forum entry page:

Leica Talk Forum

Welcome to the Leica Talk Forum, the place to discuss Leica digital cameras, such as the D-LUX, V-LUX, DIGILUX and M8.

I guess by strict definition that leaves the film folks out in the cold. I personally welcome them but if you are talking about what the forum is supposed to be the above header pretty much says it all since Phil Askey wrote it and is the man in charge.

--
Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com/dlux3
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
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