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Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer (I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi) or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's 2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone have experience with these two printers, or know of a better printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose? It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in advance..

BKKSW
 
BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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BKKSW, I am also planning to upgrade my old Epson 980 in the hopefully not far future. I was thinking about the new Canon S9000. It is too expensive for me now, but may be in a few months the price comes down. I haven't used it but they claim it is very good, economical (1 cartridge per color), and extremely fast. Check it out. (And this is no joke.) Congratulations for the new house. Take care,

Jack.
 
I use an Epson 1280. I do notice a difference between 720 and 1440 and, surprisingly, a difference between 1440 and 2880. Sometimes a dramatic difference. The dynamic range just seems much larger. A 1440 print looks flat compared to 2880 print. When I print at 2880 I usually use the Epson Premium Glossy paper.

All of these pictures are just using the 1280. I don't know it compares to the P7000. The P7000 might be optimized to get the same dynamic range out of 720 as the 1280 gets from 2880. I don't know.

Hope this helps.
BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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I have an 890 and a 1270 (european names). I can tell no difference between 1440 and 2880 on premium glossy and contrary to what trent has found, all the reviews I've seen say basically there is no discernable difference to the naked eye.

Trent, what are you doing to get the higher quality?

Dave Millier

ps

Reviews of the S9000 have been very positive - essentially about as good as the 1270/80 but much faster and quieter with no nasty chipped cartridges. Expensive though.
TrentMcD said:
All of these pictures are just using the 1280. I don't know it
compares to the P7000. The P7000 might be optimized to get the
same dynamic range out of 720 as the 1280 gets from 2880. I don't
know.

Hope this helps.
BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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I keep all settings the same besides resolution. The 1440 prints look great so I was really surprised that the 2880 looked better. I would say they look as good, if not better, than any chemical print I've seen. I've done blind tests with friends and family to make sure I wasn't crazy or seeing things and everyone chooses the 2880 over both 1440 of the identical picture and chemical of a similar picture.

The differences I see are very subtle and aren't really in the detail: at 1440 it resolves detail better than my E-10. The differences are in the colors. But that's not really true, because side by side the colors look the same, they just seem stand out more at 2880. The difference is closer to doing fine adjustment with levels in PS, that's why I say it is the dynamic range that is better. The other reason I say dynamic range is that I noticed the biggest difference with Black and White.

I once asked here if anyone else saw a difference and several people said they did but it wasn't great enough to justify the extra time/ink to print. The reviews I've read said about the same thing: there is a difference, but you have to decide if it's worth it.

To me it depends on the image. I usually print one 2880 for every thirty 1440 that I print.

One note - I shoot exclusively in raw and keep all of my images at 16 bits. Could this be the difference? I notice the difference in prints of 8 bit versus 16 bit. Maybe it takes the 2880 to resolve the subtle differences of 16 bit color.
DMillier said:
I have an 890 and a 1270 (european names). I can tell no difference
between 1440 and 2880 on premium glossy and contrary to what trent
has found, all the reviews I've seen say basically there is no
discernable difference to the naked eye.

Trent, what are you doing to get the higher quality?
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BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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Hi:

For frames try these two sites...I have purchased from both and the stuff has been good:
http://www.pictureframes.com
http://www.americanframe.com

Bob--Bob G.www.pbase.com/gilbob
 
Printer:

If you don't need to print anything larger than 8 X 10, look into the Epson C80. With archival papers, the prints can last upwards of 100 years. And, on the 2880 X 720 setting, the prints can look better than custom processed cibachromes. Of course, you'll have to work hard to achieve these results - but it can be done. NOTE: This printer requires heavy handed management. If you're a "plug and play" kinda person, it's not for you. If you don't mind tinkering around - and you enjoy the science of color management - this printer rocks.

Paper:

If you don't want to spend a ton of money, go for the Epson Archival Matte. It's a nice, affordable, all-purpose paper.

If money is no object - or if you want to ensure your prints outlast you - go for any of Legion's photo papers. Each one of them is outstanding. Each one of them is highly, highly expensive. They're all worth the price.

Happy printing!

eileen
 
The 1280, SuperA/B's on HWMatte, this is the only paper the art galleries will only buy that look and the 25 year life?. I am waiting for a new Epson to make my 1280 dedicated B&W.
JP Photography
eileen said:
Printer:

If you don't need to print anything larger than 8 X 10, look into
the Epson C80. With archival papers, the prints can last upwards
of 100 years. And, on the 2880 X 720 setting, the prints can look
better than custom processed cibachromes. Of course, you'll have
to work hard to achieve these results - but it can be done. NOTE:
This printer requires heavy handed management. If you're a "plug
and play" kinda person, it's not for you. If you don't mind
tinkering around - and you enjoy the science of color management -
this printer rocks.

Paper:

If you don't want to spend a ton of money, go for the Epson
Archival Matte. It's a nice, affordable, all-purpose paper.

If money is no object - or if you want to ensure your prints
outlast you - go for any of Legion's photo papers. Each one of
them is outstanding. Each one of them is highly, highly expensive.
They're all worth the price.

Happy printing!

eileen
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--The best always,JP Photography~large files, slow load show, enjoy~ http://members.localnet.com/~endoline/JPresters
 
I've read that in B&W it allows you to print with Black ink only, but I can't say I can see any difference. I'll give the RAW idea ago.
TrentMcD said:
The differences I see are very subtle and aren't really in the
detail: at 1440 it resolves detail better than my E-10. The
differences are in the colors. But that's not really true, because
side by side the colors look the same, they just seem stand out
more at 2880. The difference is closer to doing fine adjustment
with levels in PS, that's why I say it is the dynamic range that is
better. The other reason I say dynamic range is that I noticed the
biggest difference with Black and White.

I once asked here if anyone else saw a difference and several
people said they did but it wasn't great enough to justify the
extra time/ink to print. The reviews I've read said about the same
thing: there is a difference, but you have to decide if it's worth
it.

To me it depends on the image. I usually print one 2880 for every
thirty 1440 that I print.

One note - I shoot exclusively in raw and keep all of my images at
16 bits. Could this be the difference? I notice the difference in
prints of 8 bit versus 16 bit. Maybe it takes the 2880 to resolve
the subtle differences of 16 bit color.
DMillier said:
I have an 890 and a 1270 (european names). I can tell no difference
between 1440 and 2880 on premium glossy and contrary to what trent
has found, all the reviews I've seen say basically there is no
discernable difference to the naked eye.

Trent, what are you doing to get the higher quality?
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I'm not sure but if I remember correctly you have to tell it to print only from the black cartridge. If you do that I think your resolution is actually limited. I know you can get a special black cartridge (3rd party) that fits where the color would normally go. I think this is so you can get the extra resolution when using pure black. Not sure. Does anybody out there know?

It's been a few months since I tested, but I'm going to try again this weekend using the same paper and image with different resolutions. I'll bring the images into work and into my photography class (next Thursday) and do a quick poll.
DMillier said:
I've read that in B&W it allows you to print with Black ink only,
but I can't say I can see any difference. I'll give the RAW idea
ago.
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BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

Well, I'm wondering how you found out how many years the paper and inks were good for. I have been trying to find that out for the past two years. Calling Kodak, Epson, HP, and all of them say their paper is not guarrented for more than one -two years. Same for the inks. However I did find that the company Creative Memories that specializes in memory albums has come out with a ink jet photo paper that is tested to 75 years I think. They have also told their consultants to use an ink jet printer that has come out on the market within the last two years because the inks are much better and the old inks just dont last. > And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
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As for canvas for ink jets try going to http://www.calumetphoto.com and go to canvas injet paper they have alot of choices there.
Hope this helps
BKKSW said:
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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BKKSW

I have the 1280 & the 1200. The 1200 only went to 1440. It was good but not as good as the 1280 at 2880. It does an excellent job with BW. The way I look at it is in 25 years there will probably be another option and I might have to reprint them for the last time!
Leslie
--Leslie C http://www.pbase.com/lesliec
 
BKKSW said:
Hello -

So far it seems everyone agrees decorating with my own pics isn't
such a bad idea and I got some great ideas in that thread, I hope
they keep coming..

Now.. Since my home will be brand new and I'm trying to make it
nice, it seems like a good excuse to replace my HP 1220C printer
(I've no complaints, I just want the best output I can get) with a
new photo printer which can use archival inks and produces
excellent results.. I'm eying either the Epson P7000 (only 720dpi)
or the 1280.. The P7000 with it's inks and the right papers can
make prints that they say last for over 100 years.. The 1280 with
the right papers I think only last 25 years, but then it's
2880dpi.. Can anyone tell me from experience if the differences in
DPI will make a noticable difference up to 16x24"? Does anyone
have experience with these two printers, or know of a better
printer (in a reasonable price range) for this intended purpose?
It must be able to do larger prints, at least 13x19's..

And.. has anyone really great results with any sort of canvas or
linen papers and ink combinations? Would you recommend any other
papers for presentation purposes?

Any really good on-line frame shops?

Till now, my HP 1220c has met my requirements of producing gift
prints for family members and office work, but I've had no real
need to print my own photos.. Now I have a great reason to spend
the money and I'm going to take advantage of it..

I know this is a lot of information to ask in one msg, so thanks in
advance..

BKKSW
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Hello,

....my two cents worth. First off, a great source for paper is redriverpaper.com. They have an excellent asortment at reasonable prices. Buy their sample pack and you'll get two sheets of everything they carry. Make prints and then decide. I love their 62 lb. Ultra Pro Satin and Gloss combined with my HP1100, I get great results. As far as how long a print will last? My thoughts are this...I shot film for over 30 years and have never had a color photograph that I was able to replace or reprint went it went flat. This is because the negatives don't hold up well enough to be re-printed. But on the other hand digital images on media stoarge last for a long, long time (indefinitly ?) and can always be reprinted years and years down the road and with technology being what it is, I'd rather reprint years from now using the better technologies than worry now how long a

a print made today,will last. Who knows, maybe my tastes will change and I will reprint because of that.

--Angelo
 
JP Photography said:
The 1280, SuperA/B's on HWMatte, this is the only paper the art
galleries will only buy that look and the 25 year life?. I am
waiting for a new Epson to make my 1280 dedicated B&W.
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Hi JP,

I too am preferring the Heavy weight Matte over glossy for larger prints, but I was wondering: What resolution do you print at on the matte? Is 1440 Ok? As the paper is much more absorbent than glossy, I worry about warping - though it just may be the island humidity (I do have a dehumidifier I can dry prints with)...

Thanks and Aloha,
GP--GP MerfeldIsland Preservations http://www.pbase.com/gpmerfeld/galleries
 
I'm using the S9000 for large prints and have found it be extremely fast (under 90 seconds for an A4 borderless, and just under 3 minutes for an A3 borderless), with the output at least as good or better then the Epson. Using Red River paper, the results are really great, geez, I like that paper. I am also using the Weink refill for the S9000 with comparable results when using the OEM ink.

With speed, detail and very quiet, the Canon has been one of my better purchases.
--Mike
 
eileen said:
Printer:

If you don't need to print anything larger than 8 X 10, look into
the Epson C80. With archival papers, the prints can last upwards
of 100 years. And, on the 2880 X 720 setting, the prints can look
better than custom processed cibachromes. Of course, you'll have
to work hard to achieve these results - but it can be done. NOTE:
This printer requires heavy handed management. If you're a "plug
and play" kinda person, it's not for you. If you don't mind
tinkering around - and you enjoy the science of color management -
this printer rocks.
Click to expand...
Aloha Eileen,

I have the 1280, and recently purchased the C80 as a compliment (for everyday and smaller print printing). I have yet to set it up (running the ink out of the old stylus 600!), but will soon. Do you have any tips regarding the "heavy handed color management?" Have you found any ICC profiles for the printer? Which paper do you prefer with the C80 (for archival)? Thanks for any help....

Mahalo,
GP
--GP MerfeldIsland Preservations http://www.pbase.com/gpmerfeld/galleries
 
I use the 1440 on the SuperA/B's and 770 on some of the 8 1/2x11's no problem. The do drink a lot of ink. But you can't put a price on quality. I do not see a big difference on 2880 except the long print time. I would hve to charge another $15.00 a print for a Super size to make up the time.
JP Photography
GP Merfeld said:
JP Photography said:
The 1280, SuperA/B's on HWMatte, this is the only paper the art
galleries will only buy that look and the 25 year life?. I am
waiting for a new Epson to make my 1280 dedicated B&W.
Click to expand...
Hi JP,

I too am preferring the Heavy weight Matte over glossy for larger
prints, but I was wondering: What resolution do you print at on
the matte? Is 1440 Ok? As the paper is much more absorbent than
glossy, I worry about warping - though it just may be the island
humidity (I do have a dehumidifier I can dry prints with)...

Thanks and Aloha,
GP
--
GP Merfeld
Island Preservations
http://www.pbase.com/gpmerfeld/galleries
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--The best always,JP Photography~slow load show, enjoy~ http://members.localnet.com/~endoline/JPresters
 
JP Photography said:
I use the 1440 on the SuperA/B's and 770 on some of the 8 1/2x11's
no problem. The do drink a lot of ink. But you can't put a price on
quality. I do not see a big difference on 2880 except the long
print time. I would hve to charge another $15.00 a print for a
Super size to make up the time.
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Thanks JP.... I'll try 1440 on the larger prints (I also am using 770 on sizes up to almost 11X14, with good results). Appreciate your reply...

Mahalo,
GP--GP MerfeldIsland Preservations http://www.pbase.com/gpmerfeld/galleries
 
TrentMcD said:
I'm not sure but if I remember correctly you have to tell it to
print only from the black cartridge. If you do that I think your
resolution is actually limited. I know you can get a special black
cartridge (3rd party) that fits where the color would normally go.
I think this is so you can get the extra resolution when using pure
black. Not sure. Does anybody out there know?
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There are indeed several quad or hextone ink sets for b/w. I have been contemplating making one of my Epsons (780, 875, 1280) a dedicated b/w printer. I am out of town and on my laptop, so don't have my bookmarks for the sources, but one is tssphoto (?) and the other is inkjetmall.com, I believe. My mind is a blank right now--this has been a 16 hour day so far. Piezography is one, but there are at least 3 other choices--and archival.

I am using duotones (actually usually quadtones) in PS and have tested on many different papers. This is using the 6 color Epsons--I have one duotone set that I esp. like. All the papers I've tried (all the Epsons, Red River, a lot of art papers, Ilford) alter the color/b & w, but one of the best I think for b/w is Red River Premium Matte--I particularly like the 88#. I have also done a number of black ink prints on these same papers--you lose the full range of b/w, I feel, using the black ink only.

Diane--Diane B http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleriesB/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
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