Pro1 Equivalent Current Model

So my Pro1 is ill. It seems to have decided that it really doesn't like humd conditions; it crashes, it generates "Lens" errors after the battery has been removed and reinserted, or sometimes it prefers to say "E30".

Whatever, it's going in for extended warranty return when I get home.

Now my extended warranty promises a repair or, if not economically viable, replacement with the current equivalent model.

So what would you think is the current equivalent model to the Pro1?

regards,
alan

There isn't really one, you can look at G9 or S5 and compare or start looking at DSLR

Alan Potter said:

So what would you think is the current equivalent model to the Pro1?

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Unfortunately there isn't one.

You have to decide if you want "P&S" or dSLR. If P&S then if you need RAW or not.

From "P&S"-group you have couple choices (with raw & lens minimum 28mm):
Fujifilm FinePix IS-1
Olympus SP-560 UZ (uses only xD-cards)
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ18
Ricoh Caplio GX100 (lens from 24mm, can use external flash)

If raw and/or 28mm wide is not important then you can have larger selection.

If you chose to go dSLR (these are about same spec & price):
Canon 400D
Nikon D40X
Olympus E-410
Olympus E-510
Pentax K10D
Sony DSLR-A100

More money = better selection. Don't forget the lenses either.

My choice was to go dSLR. But I still have my Pro1 and I am not going to give it up. Never!.

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Jyrki Leskelä

Alan,

My Pro1's selection control stopped going right and up but it still let me go the wrong way to use the menu selections. I also was apprehensive about being able to get it adequately repaired. It was no problem costing just $120US for repair a full function testing and adjusting to factory specs.

Other posts on the Pro1 indicated that the camera was not repairable, parts, economical or whatever. They were offered a Pro1 refurb for $350 with six months warranty.
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Sony R1
Canon Pro1
Casio Z750
Nikon 3100

Jyrki Leskelä said:

If you chose to go dSLR (these are about same spec & price):
Canon 400D
Nikon D40X
Olympus E-410
Olympus E-510
Pentax K10D
Sony DSLR-A100

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Don'tr forget the cheaper (but also very good) Pentax K110D and K100D.

cat

catkit said:

Jyrki Leskelä said:

If you chose to go dSLR (these are about same spec & price):
Canon 400D
Nikon D40X
Olympus E-410
Olympus E-510
Pentax K10D
Sony DSLR-A100

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Don'tr forget the cheaper (but also very good) Pentax K110D and K100D.

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I left them out on purpose. Note: "these are about same spec & price". K110D and K100D are neither same spec nor price as those above. I left Nikon D40 out for same reason too.

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Jyrki Leskelä

As the others have mentioned there really isn't an equivalent camera in the Canon lineup.

Remotely close might be the S5 IS which is going for $349 at B&H these days, granted that is about the going rate for a very good condition used Pro1 on eBay which I might consider as the other alternative.

I posted a size comparison here, http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=25085274

You might want to ignore the rest of the thread though as it spun off topic.

If it were me I would get it repaired and pick up a used Pro1 as a spare, if you don't really use 28mm that much then perhaps the S5 IS as it has the longer lens but after some testing I find it's pix look sharper but I suspect that is the result of in camera processing/sharpening vs actually being sharper optically.

Face recognition is a plus as is the video capabilities. I find Supermacro is the same with either at least nothing that jumped out at me in real world shooting. Because of the Digic III the S5 reacts faster as well. But the Pro1 feels more rugged and I also think there isn't much out there that can touch it's lens.

Just curious, was your lens starting to make a grinding sound before it failed? Reason I ask is because mine is doing that and I was thinking of taking it in to Canon for a cleaning, calibration and lube.

Re other brands, I personally like Canon's firmware/software/in camera processing vs the others. Canon also seem to have better sensors, if Panasonic had better sensors then they would be a force to recon with but IMHO they don't yet.

Kevin

That's a great list to start from - thank you!

Thank you for the suggestions. I'm in the UK; I think I need to find some way to get my employer to send me to New York for a week or so The S5IS is coming in around US$560 in the UK!

Anyway, there certainly is some kind of a noise - mostly when it retracts into the camera on shutdown. I wouldn't describe it as grinding - it's too high pitched for that - but it certainly is a movement-related noise (almost a squeak) that is just crying out for some carefully-placed WD40!

Whether this is related to the problems I am seeing, I don't know...

regards,
alan

Kevin Omura said:

Just curious, was your lens starting to make a grinding
sound before it failed? Reason I ask is because mine is
doing that and I was thinking of taking it in to Canon for
a cleaning, calibration and lube.

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I spent three weeks in Darjeeling last year and my Pro 1 lens was creaking and grinding going in and out. Definitely sounded like it needed some grease to me.

When I returned to Hong Kong, I took it to the Canon service centre... and they replaced the entire lens mechanism. Not a grease issue at all.

Just to warn you.

Don

alan_potter said:

Anyway, there certainly is some kind of a noise - mostly
when it retracts into the camera on shutdown. I wouldn't
describe it as grinding - it's too high pitched for that -
but it certainly is a movement-related noise (almost a
squeak) that is just crying out for some carefully-placed
WD40!

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You're right... it is more of a noise than a grind... and it does sound like WD-40 would cure it. When I mentioned it to the technician, he just smiled and shook his head... and handed me a camera with a new lens assembly.

Don

are the S5 (great performances, additional features, but no L glass and no wide angle), the G9 (lens doesn't compare, but great features) or, better yet (and more accurate) a 350D or 400D with a good lens.

Not much chance you'll get that, however. You might argue a bit, though...
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Yes, you are right, although I just compared my two Pro1's and my more heavily used one sort of hangs up when the lens is retracting like it hits a bit of a tightness in the mechanism and slows but keeps going and the noise changes. Perhaps grinding is a bad choice of words on my part. Feels like something that I should have checked out before it fails I guess.

Was looking at both serial numbers the 'grinder' is 8221000156 while the other one is 9051200010 the 905 was bought up here in Canada while the 822 came from the States.

Kevin

Don Ellis said:

alan_potter said:

Anyway, there certainly is some kind of a noise - mostly
when it retracts into the camera on shutdown. I wouldn't
describe it as grinding - it's too high pitched for that -
but it certainly is a movement-related noise (almost a
squeak) that is just crying out for some carefully-placed
WD40!

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You're right... it is more of a noise than a grind... and it does
sound like WD-40 would cure it. When I mentioned it to the
technician, he just smiled and shook his head... and handed me a
camera with a new lens assembly.

Don

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S5 can be had for a lot less than that, amazon have it a £235 delivered which is a nice price I think

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-PowerShot-Digital-Camera-Optical/dp/B000RGM0Q4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8771607-3209524?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1191939147&sr=8-1

No problem, I'm in Canada. I would bet your shipping is higher than ours but how it worked out here. $349.95 for the camera plus $38.25 for express post. Then at my end I had to pay our PST and GST plus $5 brokerage. The difference in price up here was approx $100 so with the tax savings I'm still ahead and the Loonie is +par.

But personally I'd get your boss to send you to NYC as the B&H store is quit something plus you can check out MOMA and other camera shops though they aren't massed in one location. I think only topped by Yodobashi Camera in Tokyo...

Most of the Pro1's on eBay seem to be in the States so that will be a challenge shipping wise. Henry's which is a store here in Toronto has had a few turning up used though and they will ship worldwide.

Kevin

alan_potter said:

Thank you for the suggestions. I'm in the UK; I think I need to find
some way to get my employer to send me to New York for a week or so
The S5IS is coming in around US$560 in the UK!

Anyway, there certainly is some kind of a noise - mostly when it
retracts into the camera on shutdown. I wouldn't describe it as
grinding - it's too high pitched for that - but it certainly is a
movement-related noise (almost a squeak) that is just crying out for
some carefully-placed WD40!

Whether this is related to the problems I am seeing, I don't know...

regards,
alan

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Well, that's me en route to Jessops just now. Wish me luck

regards,
alan

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Well, I got a letter this morning from Domestic and General saying that my Pro1 was beyond economic repair.

So what to use as a replacement? I was wanting something smaller than the Pro1 for carrying around, and have recently bought the IXUS860. In truth, I wonder whether the G9 would not be so close to the IXUS that I shoudl have both.

The other (Canon) option would be the S5IS. I cannot but imagine that this would be more "fun", but how good would the image quality be?

Incidentally, Domestic and General told me that the equivalent current model to the Pro1 is the IXUS 860IS! They were then going to send me gift vouchers to the value of an IXUS if I agreed. Apparently the process for fixing this is to go to Jessops and agree with staff there what the replacement should be. I'll be rather disappointed if I can't persuade them that the G9 is the equivalent model...

regards,
alan

and would still have to pay for a Pro1 (if you could find one, and there are some still out there), the G9 is the closest Canon P&S to your Pro1. And I'm sorry, but the IQ of the G9 is superb compared to other Canon P&S cams. It might not be quite the same quality as the Pro1, but the G9 is a very fine camera.

Good luck to you, and sorry for your lost camera.

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Canon repaired my Pro1 out of warranty for a minimum rate $150 and check other functions to be within specs. You can call the local Canon repair facility to get an idea. Mine had to be sent from a Southern California facility to Illinois since that is where the Pro1 parts and experts are located. It is also my understanding that if it is not economical to repair or if parts are no longer available, they will offer a refurbished Pro1 for $350 with a six month warranty. If the refurb was the only way for me to go, it would have been a real bargain since the Pro1 or Sony R1 will never be duplicated. I have both and keep very good care of them.

I am not qualified to diagnose your camera but if it has lens problems that may required a complete dis-assembly to get to the complete lens which is required to address the E18 error message in some other Canon P&S.
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Sony R1
Canon Pro1
Casio Z750

My Jessops camera insurance runs out June 2008 and I've been keeping an eye on the market in case I needed to replace my Pro1 due to a fault or accident.

Have you considered the Fuji S9600? 28-300mm lens, RAW ability, good image quality, better video mode than the Pro1, adjustable LCD, competively priced...

If you want to go smaller then probably the G9 would do, but you'll miss not having that wide angle lens.

If my Pro1 does get a fault and can't be repaired I'll probably look to a 400D with a quality zoom lens. Together they're not much bigger than a Pro1, although I'd still need another camera for the occasional video taking.