Is 14-24 2.8 a waste on a D40?

If he's considering a serious wide angle lens that will only get wider on FX why shouldn't he be planing on a FF camera down the line???

Yeash, the pushing of one's own preferences on all others is such a curious human behavior!?
 
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A: I'm sure it will take outstanding images, if money isn't a problem perhaps it's a reasonable idea.

B: The lens will DWARF a D40. It might be awkward to handle and the combo will be DRASTICALLY harder to travel with. ONe of the great things about the D40 is it's ease of carrying.

C: You might consider a D200 if your getting serious. It'll balance much better with big lenses and the prices are falling. A LOT of camera for the money.

D: The 12-24 is a fantastic lens if stopped down a bit and will handle great on a D40. Get a mint used one and you can sell it for little loss when you want to step up to more serious, possibly FF gear. I'm getting a D3 and the 14-24, but will keep a DX camera and the 12-24 for keeping with me and travel/hiking. The big guns will only come out on dedicated photographic outings. They are too big and heavy to deal with day to day.

E: Your going to be waiting a LONG LONG time for a FX camera in the price range of a D40 or D40X. A prosumer/compact pro FX might come in between the D3 and D300 in the next year or two, but it'll probably be 2 or 3 years at best before there is a low end FX camera.
 
One thing you said struck me
the best possible images became more important to me than the compact size.
If that is indeed the case I would consider selling the D40 (you could probably get 80% the purchase price) and getting the D200 or D300 mainly so you could use lenses like the 85/1.4. Another option is keeping the D40 and installing the katz eye screen and doing manual focus of the 85/1.4 and picking up the ZF 35/2.
I agree FX cameras will never be the price of a D40.

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Jake
 
To be honest with you I'm definitely thinking of upgrading body, and I never thought a FF body would come out at the price level of a D40...but I figured one would come out in a 2K range sometime soon.
 
Many of us are hoping for that sooner than later. Who knows how long it'll be. :(

I'll trade down from my D3 most likely. Heck I'd pay full D3 prices for a compact FF if it is in a pro body like the D200/D300.
To be honest with you I'm definitely thinking of upgrading body, and
I never thought a FF body would come out at the price level of a
D40...but I figured one would come out in a 2K range sometime soon.
 
If he's considering a serious wide angle lens that will only get
wider on FX why shouldn't he be planing on a FF camera down the
line???

Yeash, the pushing of one's own preferences on all others is such a
curious human behavior!?
I'm not "pushing my own preferences". Just challenging the reasoning here!

I'm simply pointing out that FF sensors will remain expensive and restricted to the pro market for quite a while. And there's no need for FF, because a DX sensor with a 10mm lens is almost as wide as a FF sensor with a 14mm. The only thing the 14-24 has is f/2.8 - and when was the last time you needed f/2.8 at 14mm ?

Ok, fine - if someone wants to plunk down $5K on a body and $1700 on a lens, go for it.

And it's okay if you think that suggesting a different way of looking at things is "curious behaviour" - I find a 14-24 on a D40 "curious behaviour".

Cheers

Mike
 
That's not entirely true. 10 mm is perfectly usable out of the box, but if you are picky about distortion, you would want to correct it (and yes, I am, so that's what I do). Most people don't find it noticeable enough to bother.

But you should know that distortion happens with all wide angle lenses; it is a fact of life. And, the Sigma 10-20 is one of the best superwides in terms of distortion. It has better distortion characteristics (1.2% barrel) than the much more expensive Nikon 12-24 (1.7% barrel) and the Tokina 12-24 (2.3% wavy + barrel). The only superwide it doesn't beat in distortion is Sigma's own 12-24 (1.0%).

Keeping in mind that all of its competitors start at 12 mm instead of 10 mm (it's a lot harder to correct image problems at 10 mm than it is at 12 mm), the Sigma's optical performance at 10 mm is nothing short of phenomenal. I would even go so far as to say that I bet the Sigma 10-20 will perform better at 14 mm than the Nikon 14-24 will, and will do a very good job of keeping up with the Nikon between 14-20 mm.

IMO, don't place unrealistic expectations on the 14-24. It's not going to be a flawless lens. It will have its flaws and shortcomings too, especially wide open and at the wide end. You can't change the laws of physics. And at such wide angles, f/2.8 isn't as valuable as it is at longer focal lengths. It sounds like you're putting it on a pedestal too much.
Well I did seriously consider the Sigma but the fact that I can't use
the 10mm range right out of the box without post processing bothers
me. And I have nothing against Sigma I have the 30 1.4 and love that
lens.
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dSLR: D40, D80, S5 Pro. Nikkor: 18-200/VR, 70-300/VR, 35/2. Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8
P&S: A710is (+CHDK RAW mode), Fuji F10, S3is (sold)
 
I'll trade down from my D3 most likely.
Jeez! They're already trading off their D3s! :^)
Just planning ahead. Or speculating ahead, whatever the case may be.

Basically I've never had any interest in the big pro models, I like a small camera. I never use the grips for my D200/F100. But with the D3 I have little choice. I've been waiting for a no compromises FF F-mount digital for basically a decade. So I'm just going to have to develop some arm muscles until there's a similar sensor in a smaller camera.

My dream travel/walk around camera, would be D80 sized, but have build and controls like a D300 and have Ai/Ais lens support. I'd pay big bucks for pro imaging and build in a small body.
 
It's a better investment than a 12-24 IMO, especially since the difference in price isn't THAT great. If the 12-24 was cheaper, I'd get it in a second; however, it's like $1000.

The 14-24 if f/2.8, has an all-metal contruction, and (I think) costs about $700 more, and is FX.

The 2mm in wide-angle you lose on DX (3mm in 35mm format) is worth it for all the extras you are getting.
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I hear you! The D200 is about as big as I'd like to go. I had a Pentax istD before; even with the add-on grip it was small. One of my all time favorite cameras was the Canon t90. It was large for its day, but small compared to the monsters that are in vogue now.

I'm planning to add a lens this fall, either the 24-70 or more likely thew 17-55. The D3 is out of my budget now, but I might consider the D300. It will have to have something besides bells and whistles though to make me trade off my D200. I just wonder how long before Nikon has a 5D class camera for us.
 
If he's considering a serious wide angle lens that will only get
wider on FX why shouldn't he be planing on a FF camera down the
line???

Yeash, the pushing of one's own preferences on all others is such a
curious human behavior!?
I'm not "pushing my own preferences". Just challenging the reasoning
here!
I actually admire your reasoning here... I think more people would save a lot of money if they asked themselves the hard questions.
I'm simply pointing out that FF sensors will remain expensive and
restricted to the pro market for quite a while. And there's no need
for FF, because a DX sensor with a 10mm lens is almost as wide as a
FF sensor with a 14mm. The only thing the 14-24 has is f/2.8 - and
when was the last time you needed f/2.8 at 14mm ?
I wouldn't say there isn't a 'need'.. because such needs exist. I'll give you a personal example. I love 1.5x bodies and I absolutely crave 'reach'. Over 300mm (on 1.5x sensor) is where I love to shoot... however, most paid shoots don't require me to shoot looong, and several times I've had a crummy time trying to get a wide enough shot with the 17-35 attached to the D2hs. I would shoot the same shots using an older Nikon film body without a hitch!

Now, as you mentioned, I could don a lens like the 12-24dx and get wide on the cropped body, but shooting a FF body, I can shoot even wider if I like.. AND lenses like the 200 f/2 become better suited for studio/outdoor glamour work vs. being shot on a 1.5x body. I suppose it all comes down to preference... but I tell you what, the freedom to be able to simply click a lens to a FF body (film/digital) and start shooting without having to hunt high and low for a fast, constant aperture lens that makes the grade is a saving grace as far as I'm concerned.

When would one use f/2.8 - 3.5 or so when shooting interiors? When making a composite shot.. shooting company workers sitting at a sushi bar at sundown with happy faces soaked with ambient interior light.... the darkening blue sky with lights from businesses glowing, and light trails from car headlights streaking can be shot at f/10 - f/20, etc...

I've found that a fast lens with a constant aperture to be the perfect friend.. I like being able to zoom and not worry about the resulting aperture. I've notice over the years that I'll typically shoot f6-f8 when doing glamour... However, me shooting wide or nearly wide open with the 17-35 isn't a rare occurrence by any means... I can't do that with a lens like the 12-24, nor can I get the same performance/characteristics as I do with the 17-35. A camera like the D3 (just like film bodies) will make the lens even more valuable to me for close range paid work.

All of these would have been easier for me to take with a FF body. That said, I still prefer 'reach'... but I'll purchase whatever format allows me to work easier.

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And it's okay if you think that suggesting a different way of looking
at things is "curious behaviour" - I find a 14-24 on a D40 "curious
behaviour".
I find it good business sense if the OP plans on shooting wide profiles most of the time AND will be purchasing FF in the future. In fact, I'd recommend that the OP purchase only lenses that he can use on either format vs. being saddled with a $1,000+ lens, that he can only use (for all practical purposes) on a crop body.

w/respect

Teila K. Day
 
The reason I ask this question is because I'd like to get this lens
and then I would assume my next body would be a FF whatever the next
iteration is not a D3.

I guess I'm also making the assumption that eventually a prosumer FF
body will be released, d400 or something like that. But as for now
I'm stuck with a D40 body.

I'm thinking of investing in the glass now but I'm unsure as to
whether or not its full potential can be appreciated on a D40.
Do you need the lens now is the question you need to ask. Like everything, when something first comes out you're going to pay a high price for it. The D200 was $1699 when it launched and I got mine for $1299 less than a year later.

Lenses are a little different than bodies - bodies come and go - but if you don't need it right away, then why not wait and let the prices settle a bit?
 
I know that you plan to upgrade to FX some day, but I do think that since that is probably at least 2-3 years down the road, you'd be totally bummed if Nikon came out with something like a 16-70 f/3.5-4.5 DX VR!!!

What I'm trying to say is, a decent DX lens will do you a LOT better than a silly ultra-wide FX zoom... I mean imagine, a few couple mm extra on the wide end, at the expense of basically not ANY telephoto end at all? And a massively heavy lens that with the D40 would feel as if there wasn't even a camera attached?

Don't get me wrong, the D3 + 14-24 FX combo is going to be a thing of beauty for photojournalism etc... (Though I'd probably never use one for landscape since I can't attach a polarizer...)

But using that 35 oz. lens on a 17 oz. tiny plastic body? with an effective range of 21-36mm? Just get a 12-24 DX if you want that range; and don't worry, the 12-24 will hold it's resale value very well!

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Take care!

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Look, what you're doing is very wise. You're seeking to buy glass
that will outlive your current digital body. Will the lens
"outresolve" your D40 sensor? Does it matter?

Get the lens, enjoy it and when a full frame body is in your price
range -- be it the D3 or whatever they'll call the "prosumer" full
frame body, you'll be all set to go.

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'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'
Nikonparrothead:

1. One thing I consistently see emphasized in just about all internet forums and by professionals, and photographers of all types, is: "it's the glass". Most should simply get the best glass that they can afford; and, when we look at a number from Nikon, even, they are Not always that expensive (for example: 50 1.4 or 1.8, 35/2D, 60micro 2.8D, 85 1.8D, 180 2.8D, and so many others --- including zooms, such as 35-70 2.8, and others).

2. Initial purchase of lenses such as the Nikkor 14-24 & 24-70, could be high for some ------ but, once you obtain such lenses, for the most part your need for lenses in these focal lengths are solved for some time to come (life-time for many)---- and, while others are selling, trading and swapping lenses around, you will already have excellent Nikkor lenses to meet your shooting needs, and not just on DX Format Bodies, :-)

3. I tend to prefer making a "wise" purchase in the first place, even if it can be just one of something, as it usually saves me both money, time, and not being satisfied later on, :-)

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BRJR ....(LOL, some of us are quite satisfied as Hobbyists ..)

 
And it's okay if you think that suggesting a different way of looking
at things is "curious behaviour" - I find a 14-24 on a D40 "curious
behaviour".
I'll give you that much. A huge 14-24 FX lens on a tiny DX body that's worth 1/3 the lens price is a curious combo. But if he is truely getting more serious and wants a FX body and is willing to wait a few years, I say go for it.
 

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