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FrankD7 said:
Of course Canon can come out with the 1DsIII with 22MP or even 27MP
but there is a big difference in what those pixels are.
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This comparison is all about shooting in bright light, studios etc.

Do you actually think there will be a major difference in per pixel quality under those conditions? @ ISO 100?

If there will be an 1Ds mk3 with 22 Mp, I think the comparison pics will be very close, with maybe the EOS glass beeing the weak point.
Why compare the 12Mpix 5D to a 22Mpix anyway?
The answer is obvious to me..

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Bernie Ess said:
There have been a big number of rumours about the 1ds III, and most
say that it has 21-23MP. So I guess it is probably true.
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...the next Canon 1Ds will be a IIN, an upgrade with the latest advances built into the 1D Mark III, but with the same pixel count as the current 1Ds II. We shall see.

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David Bogdan said:
The 4 images you provided look overbaked on my screen.

davidbogdan
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...Obvisouly a calibration problem with your screen, of course.

We have around four (4) different LCD screens, here, and one of them with the deepest blackest and overall highest contrast-ratio.

The images look crisp, clear and eyes-like in ALL of them.

Conversely, the "high DR MF-back" image posted here looks duller, neutral and meat-less, in ALL of our screens. Unfortunately, it does not have the brightness of a day-light day. It is pretty evident, indeed.

Check your calibration.

8-)

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Maybe because at this moment the 5D is the best DSLR on the market ??

Yes I find it better than the 1DsII sorry.
 
Check my calibration ?? :D

Trust me it's 100% we use the most expensive gretags in the studio.
I can curve the picture and compress the dynamic range to make it more "crisp".

This is the dynamic range from MF, I can always shrink it down.
A DSLR can never make it bigger (well ok it can but not like that :D)
 
FrankD7 said:
Maybe because at this moment the 5D is the best DSLR on the market ??

Yes I find it better than the 1DsII sorry.
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No need to be sorry, but no matter what you think, the 1Ds2 would give a better fight at this resolution test.

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30 1.4
430EX
 
Are you saying the next S model will still have 16 megapixels?
FilmDigital said:
Bernie Ess said:
There have been a big number of rumours about the 1ds III, and most
say that it has 21-23MP. So I guess it is probably true.
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...the next Canon 1Ds will be a IIN, an upgrade with the latest
advances built into the 1D Mark III, but with the same pixel count as
the current 1Ds II. We shall see.

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John Reed
Film & Digital
'It's the image, not the equipment, that counts.'
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FrankD7 said:
Trust me it's 100% we use the most expensive gretags in the studio.
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...Yep! many folks driving Ferraris 430s and other $150+K cars, still get theirs ass_es kicked by $40-$50K, not only in straight but also in curves! :-) That of course, does not take a gram away from Ferrari's "glamour", "beauty" and sound! :-))

Let's see: let us all trust you, and, please, tell us what cd/m2 readings you got on your blacks and your whites, on your last calibration, and what illuminant or K-reading did you calibrate for?
FrankD7 said:
I can curve the picture and compress the dynamic range to make it
more "crisp".
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That's fine with me. My point here is that I do not see the typical brightness of a sunny day transferred to your image. I have not doubts that the coulds are fine, that there is meat on the shadows... yet it looks rather flat, duller to me, like some of my past and long-gone E-10, for instance.

I will try to post another example (from some scorching Sun here, in Florida) so I can better illustrate my point.

Again, we are not talking about the cams, but the actual rendition of DR and how that "looks" or should look. That's all.

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FrankD7 said:
This is the dynamic range from MF, I can always shrink it down.
A DSLR can never make it bigger (well ok it can but not like that :D)
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Hummm, I think people don't understand the review :(
It's NOT about the resolution.
It's about dynamic range, color, depth, and contrast.
 
FilmDigital said:
...the next Canon 1Ds will be a IIN, an upgrade with the latest
advances built into the 1D Mark III, but with the same pixel count as
the current 1Ds II. We shall see.
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I have no inside information, but this seems highly unlikely, because it will not ensure Canons lead compared to Sony's and Nikon's top models. Those will include high MP sensors, probably above 16MP. Also the 1dsII sensor is expensive to make, I guess that the new sensor will be cheaper to make, which will allow a more competitive price.

I am somehow waiting for this camera, but i am not too much in a hurry..

Bernie
 
Never mind....
I'm an ISF trained calibrator beside being a photographer.

You have a different taste probarbly than me, that's fine.
 
David Bogdan said:


I'm calibrated. Your overprocessed.
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...When hard-pressed for the facts, you just fall apart like a sack of potatoes... EVERYONE (and ANYONE) can "write" and "believe" on the word "calibrated"... just until you start asking the right questions...

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I still don't see any unusuall "dynamic range" in the shot you have shown.

It's just exposed to preserve highlights (and the sun is more or less from you back so it's easy thing to do) - and highlights in PIXSurgeon shots are blown.

The following picture is overprocessed for my current taste - but it demonstrates open shadows in very bright New Mexico day. I dont think all such exercises demonstrate any unusually high dynamic range. Shot with shaded room interior and sun blasted street visible through the window - both with good details - would truly show that thing :)



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...Here are some trivial examples of a few images, but with very interesting elements on them (the actual brightness and mix of scattered/open clouds accross the area created some interesting light effects, at different location/spacing on the scene).

I have deliberately shown on the left a BASELINE conversion so everyone can see what the highlights are made off (not optimized tonality wise). To the right is the same image but optimized in a highly non-linear fashion.

Pay close attention to the sky and anything else that looks "bright" (or even the "dark" spots), and compare the exact same spots on the left-side. Notice the "brightness" yet the tonal info. is fundamentally intact, and the scene displays the tonal range AND brightness my eyes saw in the scene. When handling dynamic-range scenes, it is CRUCIAL to transfer this "brigh-crispness", otherwise the actual dynamics of the image get lost and dilluted, in general:

http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/82888247/original
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/82888248/original

Check them out!

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It is definatly better than the 5D, but I think the 5D is close enough, considering price and pixel differences.
Some of the differences I could probably make up for in pp.

The forest shot was not a good test. The tree in the forground gave the MF a more 3D feel.

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Zena Marx said:
I think the 1DS Mark III will win hands down over this Mamiya because
of its portability.
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That's been said for over a year now, but still no MkIII and it will not win hands down when it appears.
MF quality isn't just about pixels.

Kevin.
 
sergey1968 said:
  • and highlights in PIXSurgeon shots are blown.
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I have noticed that, too. They easily get blown with Canon cameras, I have the 5d, it is the same. specially when there are a few white spots in an otherwise darker image scene. The Fuji S3 pro (that I sold meanwhile) held them very well, but had other problems.

The thing is that a camera should have large dynamic range while preserving a natural look. With Canon you always get that "almost like night" look (even in daytime) when you have very bright lights in the scene.

I hope that other DSLR manufacturers than just Fuji take care of the DR, I will not afford myself a MF back.

Bernie
 
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