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The colors are very nice.

I don't understand bullfighting...have never really seen a bullfight. What are those white things hanging off the bull? It looks like they are bloody? Does the bull get stabbed? If so, that's something I never knew.
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i may have been a little harsh in my comment above,sorry its prob because i have no knowledge of why they do it, i thought it was called bull fighting because i thought they had a fair fight, this what im seeing is bull slaying, could you kindly explane to me why this is done, or what its done for. best wishes mark ;-)
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Excellent captures, particularly of the banderilleros -- hard to do since it happens so fast!

No, these pictures are not for the squeamish, but I appreciate your putting them up.
 
Boston5 said:
The colors are very nice.
I don't understand bullfighting...have never really seen a bullfight.
What are those white things hanging off the bull? It looks like they
are bloody? Does the bull get stabbed? If so, that's something I
never knew.
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The white things are spears with barbed ends that are thrust into the bull just behind the neck (you can see that being done in one of the posted pics, the 'one more'). The barbs make it difficult to impossible for the bull to raise his head to gore the matador., and makes it easier to kill the bull with the sword thrust behind the head (also shown as about to happen in one of the posted pics. No it's not a fair fight.

While I don't agree with this being described as a sport, I do feel the photography here was well done, and I do admire the skill and courage of the matador - whether the bull is maimed or not, going into a closed ring with a furious bull is no easy task.
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kalimistuk said:
i may have been a little harsh in my comment above,sorry its prob
because i have no knowledge of why they do it, i thought it was
called bull fighting because i thought they had a fair fight, this
what im seeing is bull slaying, could you kindly explane to me why
this is done, or what its done for.
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Because of intrinsic cruelty of mankind?
Lack of something useful to do?

The size of the bull does not imply any courage of the matador. Many of us have seen hummingbirds attacking much bigger birds, just because they know they are much more agile. Same here. But hummingbirds don't use swords.

Fair and courage will be a fat, heavy, naked and unarmed matador. What about a sumo fighter?

But not everything is lost here. It's quite nice when the matador fails and the bull wins...

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kalimistuk said:
i may have been a little harsh in my comment above,sorry its prob
because i have no knowledge of why they do it,
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No reason could be good enough to warrant giving an animal so much stress/pain and inevitable death..

i thought it was
kalimistuk said:
called bull fighting because i thought they had a fair fight,
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lol... it's never a fair fight.. quite often the horns are cut so that the risk of stabbing is less..

this
kalimistuk said:
what im seeing is bull slaying, could you kindly explane to me why
this is done, or what its done for. best wishes mark ;-)
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Pull the other one, it's got bells on....
 
luisflorit said:
kalimistuk said:
i may have been a little harsh in my comment above,sorry its prob
because i have no knowledge of why they do it, i thought it was
called bull fighting because i thought they had a fair fight, this
what im seeing is bull slaying, could you kindly explane to me why
this is done, or what its done for.
Click to expand...
Because of intrinsic cruelty of mankind?
Lack of something useful to do?

The size of the bull does not imply any courage of the matador. Many
of us have seen hummingbirds attacking much bigger birds, just
because they know they are much more agile. Same here. But
hummingbirds don't use swords.

Fair and courage will be a fat, heavy, naked and unarmed matador.
What about a sumo fighter?

But not everything is lost here. It's quite nice when the matador
fails and the bull wins...
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My sentiments exactly.. I would pay to see the bull win...but this is not often hence so many so called 'brave' matadors....lol
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Pull the other one, it's got bells on....
 
Yeah, the running with the bulls in Pamplona is a pretty lame endeavor too although quite funny when someone doesn't get out of it unscathed...

Essentially Bullfighting's not a whole lot different than recreational fishing although I'll hazard maiming a fish in the lip with a hook & throwing it back is much less of an imposition on the fish & therefore not as cruel.... I love the tug on that pole & won't hesitate to cut the line rather than yank the gullet of a fish out if the hook gets swallowed.... Am I as guilty/cruel as a matador? Essentially, maybe, probably... I don't know but the whole Bullfighting concept, the machismo, pomp & pageantry & entertainment aspect of it based on the very little I know about it escapes me.... Right down there with ****-fighting & Dog-fighting which at least are fair to a point that it's mono-a-mono of the same species despite the animals having no say in the matter like humans are able to choose to box or not competitively....
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Kudos to all of you who pointed out the depraved cruelty of this primitive "sport". You saved me from having to take mosts of the flack - like I had to a while back when someone posted some disturbing recreational hunting shots.

Despite the handle, I suspect Undertaker didn't mean to offend. However, a camera doesn't care what it captures; the operator must take that responsibility.

If someone feels the need to have pictures of innocent animals suffering, why not keep them to themselves. Or they could find a website that caters to that sort of interest - something which seems to me no better than violent pornography.

Sorry if the tone's a bit strident, but I simply don't feel the human species has the right to abuse others simply because they can. Regardless of how 'exciting' or 'stimulating' or whatever, it's just not right.
 
Agreed,

I put this in the same category as ****- or dog-fighting. Just plain disgusting in its cruelty. Personally, I have killed several animals for slaughter (they were raised for food, and I don't take moral issue with that) and each time I was careful to end the animal's life as quickly as humanly possible, by massive, instant damage to the central nervous system. Once, I had to shoot (it was done with a firearm) an animal a second time, as it didn't die instantly. I think I cried for 20 minutes afterward, not for killing the animal, but for causing it undue suffering. Such a thing is never necessary, and absolutely reprehensible when billed as "sport." Just my two cents.

For what it's worth, though, I'm glad these got posted. Many people here will learn what actually happens in bull fights. Hopefully, they will realize how primitive and barbaric they are. Photography isn't just about learning about photography, it is about learning about your world by seeing something new, or looking at something old in a new way.
 
i agree the pics are very well taken indeed,

but strap 2 swords to the bulls horns and then i would say its a fair fight, and then the matadors are brave lol ;-)
dontfret said:
While I don't agree with this being described as a sport, I do feel
the photography here was well done, and I do admire the skill and
courage of the matador - whether the bull is maimed or not, going
into a closed ring with a furious bull is no easy task.
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good point, im an avid carper, but we even have to carrie antiseptic gell for the fishes lip where its been hooked and have to have a unhooking matt for the carp most of these are thicker than my mattress so they are not put on the gravel lol.
Rossuziers said:
Essentially Bullfighting's not a whole lot different than
recreational fishing although I'll hazard maiming a fish in the lip
with a hook & throwing it back is much less of an imposition on the
fish & therefore not as cruel.... I love the tug on that pole &
won't hesitate to cut the line rather than yank the gullet of a fish
out if the hook gets swallowed.... Am I as guilty/cruel as a matador?
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All,

I was in Spain on vacation & justed wanted to see a real bullfight. I knew posting those pix would get some people talking.

As to why they do it. I guess because it is Spanish Culture. I did not know the had women matadors. But the first pix I post was of her.

If you eat meat, you should see what happens at a slaughter house. It is not so nice.

As for the running of the bulls, sometimes the bull wins:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19751692/

Here are a few more:





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seriosly though these are great action pics, great detail and color you did very well indeed..
le_undertaker said:
If you eat meat, you should see what happens at a slaughter house. It
is not so nice.
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very true, but thay are killed humainly as possible not turtured and for food not for fun, ;-)
do these bulls get eaten afterwards??
juanj1964 said:
As for the running of the bulls, sometimes the bull wins:
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thats the best part lol but not exatly true, the running of the bulls end up running towards the place where they are then killen by the matadors if im correct.? ;-)
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kalimistuk wrote:
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kalimistuk said:
do these bulls get eaten afterwards??
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I believe they do.

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kalimistuk said:
kalimistuk said:
As for the running of the bulls, sometimes the bull wins:
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thats the best part lol but not exatly true, the running of the bulls
end up running towards the place where they are then killen by the
matadors if im correct.? ;-)
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Also true, but over time - they run many bulls each day, but I think eight may be the max in the ring per day.

As for the running - I always root for the bulls. They are getting quite a few people this year from what I see on the news. In any case, the bull NEVER really wins, just gives back a little to the idiots who run with them.
 
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