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In these heady days of rapidly improving digital technology, I think the D60 is the best way for me to go. I know that if I bought a 1D now, that in 6-12 months there would be a 6 or 8 megapixel version out that I would seriously want to own. And then later there might come a 1D that takes perfect pics at ISO 800, which again I would seriously want to own for the most practical and professional reasons, for the freedom these things would bring.

On the other hand, the prosumer d30, d60, d90 d90x etc will do much the same thing, but the price points are much lower. So, the prosumer seems the logical way for me to go, more disposable I guess. Things are getting better so fast that I would hate to feel the obsolescence in such an expensive piece of equipment as the 1D.

The d90 may be priced at $US1200-1500? And the build might be equal to an EOS3.

Quick dirty disposable with the best bang for buck is the way for me to go.

I imagine this will remain true for me for quite a long time, as I do not think the digital world is going to reach a plateau for a long time to come.--Cheers
James Young
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james said:
Quick dirty disposable with the best bang for buck is the way for
me to go.
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There is nothing quick, dirty, or disposable about the D30/D60. Three months ago, the D30 was the hot setup. It hasn't diminished in quality just because some new models have been announced.

Let me know when you're ready to throw yours away. I'd dumpster-dive for another D30. --EB
 
They can't make enough 1D's to go around anyway, and the D60 will I'm sure be offered by the gazillions once they are under way. Not everyone needs a huge file to begin with and would much prefer a stronger build, faster autofocus and customization options (like myself). I'm sure you will be happy though.
 
Once again, purchase the camera that fits your needs. The d-60 being very plastic would not hold up well for me and the biigest draw back of a digital slr that I ran into in a professional shooting situation was not being able to shoot fast enough and having to wait for the camera, if a camera makes me miss shots, well then its no good to me.
The 1D shoots just like my 1V's.

I also need the 11.2 meg raw tif to work with ( the D-60 7megs) and the clean sharp pixels that the raw 1D file has to offer.( especially for doing fine upsizing, this is a must)

The next thing that really makes me laugh is that so many people are judging cameras not on their own experience of actually using one.

You have a rough idea what the d-60 is going to be like but not really because you have not shot with a final production model.

yes the d60 will have its market just like the 1D has its market and they are very different.
james said:
In these heady days of rapidly improving digital technology, I
think the D60 is the best way for me to go. I know that if I bought
a 1D now, that in 6-12 months there would be a 6 or 8 megapixel
version out that I would seriously want to own. And then later
there might come a 1D that takes perfect pics at ISO 800, which
again I would seriously want to own for the most practical and
professional reasons, for the freedom these things would bring.

On the other hand, the prosumer d30, d60, d90 d90x etc will do much
the same thing, but the price points are much lower. So, the
prosumer seems the logical way for me to go, more disposable I
guess. Things are getting better so fast that I would hate to feel
the obsolescence in such an expensive piece of equipment as the 1D.

The d90 may be priced at $US1200-1500? And the build might be equal
to an EOS3.

Quick dirty disposable with the best bang for buck is the way for
me to go.

I imagine this will remain true for me for quite a long time, as I
do not think the digital world is going to reach a plateau for a
long time to come.
--
Cheers
James Young
http://yjy.biz
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I took a look at side by side pictures at Steves Digicams (see links) form a 1D and a D60. All I can say is "get me off the list for a D60"

There is no comparison between the two. The D60 has cartoon color and really soft images. The 1D file although smaller is clearly better. No doubt in my mind.

There is a huge difference in price, because there is a huge difference in quality.

Mike
 
Hey, I am with you with different strokes for different folks. I am a "tweener", I don't need all the capability of the 1D but I would like better AF and to a lesser extent, a bigger imager. Then there are the many other advatanges of the 1D.

But I don't follow your the following:
Richard Brown said:
I also need the 11.2 meg raw tif to work with ( the D-60 7megs) and
the clean sharp pixels that the raw 1D file has to offer.(
especially for doing fine upsizing, this is a must)
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What is a "RAW TIF?" There is RAW and there is TIF. I think they both make 12-bit actual samples. I would assume the D60 does like the D30 and does a totally lossless compression that usually averages about 2 to 1 of the 12-bit samples. You can either covert these to 8-bit or 16-bit TIFF. On the D30 a 16-bit tif is 18 Megabytes and on a D60 it should be 36 Megabytes.

Karl--Karl
 
A lot of people say get the Big D and you get what you pay for.

They also say once you use it you will never want to go back.

I have a problem with that. If the Big D gave a picture that was great quality there would be absolutley no choice and the Big D would be the winner - even over cameras like the D1X. Nothing can compare to the features of the Big D.

But the problem is the camera is handicapped. Yeah, it's functions and abilities are out of this world, but you have to wonder about every picture and the banding problem.

They are using Scotch Tape to piece the thing together so the pictures will have reduced banding. I just can't see that being right. I can't take wedding shots at the reception or other action events which suit the camera wonderfully and wonder if the picture will beusable or not.

So the Big D is not an alternative, it is handicapped and the D60 is not. For what each is designed to do, the D60 does it and the 1D does not.

I think of the Big D over and over and I can never come up with a justification to buy a camera that gives me defective pictures. Some folks say there is no banding, some say there is banding at ISO 200. Wow, what am I supposed to do?

To me, it looks like the camera is poised to graciously go into the background as Canon totally replaces it eventually. The new one will not be handicapped but give clean pictures just like it is supposed to at each given ISO.

Pete
 
I am actually NOT aware of ANYONE that has actually gone and worked with a 1D for several hours, evaluating it's output and NOT buy one. It is simply an amazing piece of engineering. Truly in a different league (as it should be for the price) than the D60. I for one have no need of huge file sizes either, and while I do largely outdoor and and wildlife types of shooting, an occasional wedding is thrown in for good measure. I am chomping at the bit to do a wedding with a 1D that i will be getting end of April. I know it will be a whole new world of possibilites.
 
Of someone that has never really shot, downloaded and evaluated pictures from a 1D. To use one is to love one.....really that simple. You can banter about the banding all you want. On MOST 1D's it isn't even enough to talk about, certainly not until you exceed ISO800 and even then it can be dealt with. To call the camera handicapped and defective is so off base it isn't even funny.
 
You'd have to admit that since the d60 has been announced the price of the d30 has dropped dramatically, I just was offered $US750 for mine by an optimistic punter.
E. Blues said:
james said:
Quick dirty disposable with the best bang for buck is the way for
me to go.
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There is nothing quick, dirty, or disposable about the D30/D60.
Three months ago, the D30 was the hot setup. It hasn't diminished
in quality just because some new models have been announced.

Let me know when you're ready to throw yours away. I'd
dumpster-dive for another D30.
--
EB
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--CheersJames Young http://yjy.biz
 
Mike said:
I took a look at side by side pictures at Steves Digicams (see
links) form a 1D and a D60. All I can say is "get me off the list
for a D60"
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Where is the link????
MikeDitz said:
There is no comparison between the two. The D60 has cartoon color
and really soft images. The 1D file although smaller is clearly
better. No doubt in my mind.

There is a huge difference in price, because there is a huge
difference in quality.

Mike
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--CheersJames Young http://yjy.biz
 
I guess it really is different strokes for different folks. My subjects are flowers and plants, so I am not worried by poor AF, I never use it in macro anyway, too hard to control point of focus.

A 6-8 Megapixel D1 would really tempt me.--CheersJames Young http://yjy.biz
 
If you compare similar sample images in Steve's Digicams reviews, the d60 pics look soft. It is almost as if the lens wasn't focussed. I am now thinking I better start saving for a 1D unless the pics on that site are not representative. Perhaps Steve's Digicams is trying to sell the 1D by posting out of focus d60 pics. They are appalling!!!!!
Member said:
Cheers
James Young
http://yjy.biz
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--CheersJames Young http://yjy.biz
 
My 1D came today. I agree with Lee. The 1D auto-focus really works and works FAST. The build is museum grade. Everything weather sealed. You can customize it a zillion ways. It's a lot more bucks, but hey, you get what you pay for.

Warning!

If you are considering another camera, DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT test drive a 1D. Better not to know.
Lee Rothman said:
I am actually NOT aware of ANYONE that has actually gone and worked
with a 1D for several hours, evaluating it's output and NOT buy
one. It is simply an amazing piece of engineering. Truly in a
different league (as it should be for the price) than the D60. I
for one have no need of huge file sizes either, and while I do
largely outdoor and and wildlife types of shooting, an occasional
wedding is thrown in for good measure. I am chomping at the bit to
do a wedding with a 1D that i will be getting end of April. I know
it will be a whole new world of possibilites.
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james said:
It is almost as if the lens wasn't
focussed. I am now thinking I better start saving for a 1D unless
the pics on that site are not representative.
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I checked out the other cameras (1D, D60, D1x, Oly E10) compared to the others the D60 images did look out of focus. You can only sharpen so much...

Mike
 
Peter Gregg said:
but you have to wonder about
every picture and the banding problem.
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Said by someone who doesn't own one. As usual. :)

Well I own one and I never worry about banding and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't worry with every shot. It's just not that big a problem in real life. In real life I haven't once gotten a picture that had banding so bad I couldn't use it unless it had other things so bad I couldn't use it anyway.
Peter Gregg said:
So the Big D is not an alternative, it is handicapped and the D60
is not.
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The D60 is handicapped by it's AF. It's better than the D30's but not much better. I got to handle the D60 at the last COBA meeting and on the very first shot, I pressed the button and got the same darn hunting behavior that drives me crazy with the D30. The next shot went better and even with the hunting it was faster about it. But it still wouldn't meet my needs. It's still not an AF system along the lines of an EOS3.
Peter Gregg said:
For what each is designed to do, the D60 does it and the 1D
does not.
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What nonesense. The 1D was designed for the pj and sports shooter and the pj and sport shooter love them. I love mine. It does exactly what I want it to do -- which is operate like a film camera while taking action shots in low light.

(Likewise both the D30 and D60 do what they were designed to do as far as I can tell.)
Peter Gregg said:
Wow, what am I supposed to do?
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Think for yourself. ;) What do the folks who do the sort of photography you do think about it? I mean the ones who actually own and use the camera. Listen to them, try it out yourself , look at the samples on this forum and elsewhere and form your own judgement. Don't worry about what "everyone else" says. There will always be someone who thinks some camera stinks even the most absolutely perfect one. Most of the people whining about the 1D never even tried one. So why listen to them when trying to figure out how the camera will perform in real life?
Peter Gregg said:
To me, it looks like the camera is poised to graciously go into the
background as Canon totally replaces it eventually.
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You mean like they replaced the D30? ;) In the digital world, all camera bodies are a consumable comodity. They are just like computers this way. They get replaced every 2 years or so so you get 2x as much "stuff" for the same or a lower price.
Peter Gregg said:
The new one
will not be handicapped but give clean pictures just like it is
supposed to at each given ISO.
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Yeah, well, I've noticed on this forum that cameras that aren't out yet are perfect and cameras that are out are handcapped/defective. :) Even the D60 that everyone was raving about a month ago is now being trashed for not being perfect. So until it's out, I'll reserve judgement about this mythical perfect camera if you don't mind.

Marie
 
Good points,

I am trying to decide between the 1D and D60 myself. I need to shoot in low light (theatre lighting) and the D30 has problems there. My biggest concern with the 1D is the battery life I think. What has been your experience as for a s battery life goes? I currently use a !gig microdrive and would like to continue doing so.

Another point I would like to state. I get banding with my D30 at ISO 800 or higher when there are dark backgrounds. For a long time I thought it was something I was doing because is happens randomly. So anyone thinking the D60 is going to be banding free might want to do some more evaluation. I typically see the banding when I have a bright forground object and a dark background where I have purposely underexposed the shoot to prevent the forground from blowing out.

Rodney
Marie H. said:
Marie H. said:
but you have to wonder about
every picture and the banding problem.
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Said by someone who doesn't own one. As usual. :)

Well I own one and I never worry about banding and even if I did,
I certainly wouldn't worry with every shot. It's just not that
big a problem in real life. In real life I haven't once gotten a
picture that had banding so bad I couldn't use it unless it had
other things so bad I couldn't use it anyway.
Marie H. said:
So the Big D is not an alternative, it is handicapped and the D60
is not.
Click to expand...
The D60 is handicapped by it's AF. It's better than the D30's but
not much better. I got to handle the D60 at the last COBA meeting
and on the very first shot, I pressed the button and got the same
darn hunting behavior that drives me crazy with the D30. The next
shot went better and even with the hunting it was faster about it.
But it still wouldn't meet my needs. It's still not an AF system
along the lines of an EOS3.
Marie H. said:
For what each is designed to do, the D60 does it and the 1D
does not.
Click to expand...
What nonesense. The 1D was designed for the pj and sports shooter
and the pj and sport shooter love them. I love mine. It does
exactly what I want it to do -- which is operate like a film camera
while taking action shots in low light.

(Likewise both the D30 and D60 do what they were designed to do as
far as I can tell.)
Marie H. said:
Wow, what am I supposed to do?
Click to expand...
Think for yourself. ;) What do the folks who do the sort of
photography you do think about it? I mean the ones who actually
own and use the camera. Listen to them, try it out yourself , look
at the samples on this forum and elsewhere and form your own
judgement. Don't worry about what "everyone else" says. There will
always be someone who thinks some camera stinks even the most
absolutely perfect one. Most of the people whining about the 1D
never even tried one. So why listen to them when trying to figure
out how the camera will perform in real life?
Marie H. said:
To me, it looks like the camera is poised to graciously go into the
background as Canon totally replaces it eventually.
Click to expand...
You mean like they replaced the D30? ;) In the digital world, all
camera bodies are a consumable comodity. They are just like
computers this way. They get replaced every 2 years or so so you
get 2x as much "stuff" for the same or a lower price.
Marie H. said:
The new one
will not be handicapped but give clean pictures just like it is
supposed to at each given ISO.
Click to expand...
Yeah, well, I've noticed on this forum that cameras that aren't out
yet are perfect and cameras that are out are handcapped/defective.
:) Even the D60 that everyone was raving about a month ago is now
being trashed for not being perfect. So until it's out, I'll
reserve judgement about this mythical perfect camera if you don't
mind.

Marie
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