Clearly a benchmark for PRO DSLRS

The whole Canon flatter colors has been compared/discusssed to
death before. I do believe it's true having used Canons also. The
E-1 in particular and the Fuji DLSR's get skintones that pop more.
"Pop more" doesn't necessarily mean "correct". I liked the way my E-300 did skin tones (for the most part) so I fiddled with a few of the picture styles (jpeg shooting) and they now look the same.
The default with Canon seems more like a Maniquin-
There are "several" defaults for the Canon- which one?
Now, I don't mean this in a bad way per se, I think it's just a
different look, different purposes. If I was shooting weddings Ill
prefer the e-1/Fuji look. If I was shooting models, Ill probably
prefer the Canon look. This of course, a jpeg out of the camera-
you can tweak that in post (though I don't tend to do post or RAW).
I shoot mostly RAW now- except for my daughter's soccer and quickie shots around the house. But then I use DPP and one of the picture styles for the conversion- I get great results at least IMO.
The Nikon is interesting here because although I dont' think the
default is too far from Canon in a way, it has the unique feature
of you being able to define your own jpeg curve. I wish Olympus had
that.
Canon sort of has that with their picture styles. 5 built in, 5 more to download and 5 more (I think) that you can make (in breeze browser) and upload to the camera. So about 15 jpegs curves to choose from. Not too bad.

Gene
 
a higher frame rate but no live view autofocussing at all, less high-ISO iso noise but more accoustic noise, and unfortionately the high-quality zuiko lenses do not fit on the MKIII.
Depends on you if you want to pay 3000$ for that features.
If you like to make 36.000 images per hour then this cam is for you.

But remember you have to replace the shutter after 5 hours of continuous shooting ;-)
 
a higher frame rate but no live view autofocussing at all,
but continuous shooting in live view with none of the clackity clakity, thump, up down mirror thing in the Oly.
less
high-ISO iso noise but more accoustic noise,
It has a "silent" mode than greatly reduces or eliminates the mirror slap and quiets the shutter as well. Plus- see above :-)
and unfortionately the
high-quality zuiko lenses do not fit on the MKIII.
But the just as high quality Canon ones do, as well as Nikon and others via adpaters just like Oly.
Depends on you if you want to pay 3000$ for that features.
Those are just the tip of the features that the MkIII has. And of course for some it will be worth it.
If you like to make 36.000 images per hour then this cam is for you.
But remember you have to replace the shutter after 5 hours of
continuous shooting ;-)
By then it will likely be obsolete and need replacing anyway :-) Just like my computer, cell phone, microwave, toaster etc.... :-0

Gene
 
The whole Canon flatter colors has been compared/discusssed to
death before. I do believe it's true having used Canons also. The
E-1 in particular and the Fuji DLSR's get skintones that pop more.
"Pop more" doesn't necessarily mean "correct". I liked the way my
E-300 did skin tones (for the most part) so I fiddled with a few of
the picture styles (jpeg shooting) and they now look the same.
I never implied any color accuracy. All cameras and even films usually are going for a look. The point is at the end of the day, the skin tones out of a Fuji S3/S5 camera look better for something like wedding shots or somethign that approximates traditional Fujifilm color than a Canon. Olympus doesn't quite look like FujiFilm but they do their own thing also.

I have seen photographers post processing images on the Canon to achieve this- in the markets where that kind of look is important.
The default with Canon seems more like a Maniquin-
There are "several" defaults for the Canon- which one?
Pretty much all of them.
Now, I don't mean this in a bad way per se, I think it's just a
different look, different purposes. If I was shooting weddings Ill
prefer the e-1/Fuji look. If I was shooting models, Ill probably
prefer the Canon look. This of course, a jpeg out of the camera-
you can tweak that in post (though I don't tend to do post or RAW).
I shoot mostly RAW now- except for my daughter's soccer and quickie
shots around the house. But then I use DPP and one of the picture
styles for the conversion- I get great results at least IMO.
Well yes, you can do it with RAW with any camera. But that's the point- on some cameras, you can just shoot jpeg and be done with it. The color processing I describe is at the jpeg processing level. Raw is raw and you can make it look whatever you want in post (that's more work after the photo is taken. Some like it , enjoy it and works for them- doesn't quite work for me).
The Nikon is interesting here because although I dont' think the
default is too far from Canon in a way, it has the unique feature
of you being able to define your own jpeg curve. I wish Olympus had
that.
Canon sort of has that with their picture styles. 5 built in, 5
more to download and 5 more (I think) that you can make (in breeze
browser) and upload to the camera. So about 15 jpegs curves to
choose from. Not too bad.
Ok I stand partially corrected- Canon just added this feature when the 30D came out. The 20D still had the issue I was describing, and in fact, Canon acknowledging it was indeed an issue for many customers, came out with the picture styles.

keep in mind though the picture styles from what I read are no different from the settings you get say in Vivid, Natural, etc. on Olympus (though you get less on Olympus but you still get them). What I describe of the Nikon is different: it's not a setting of contrast, saturation, and so on but the actual jpeg "levels" transform/curves. This is far more sophisticated, and yes, I wish Olympus had it (or Canon, if I had a Canon and used them).

This gives you far more control and you can come up with truly unique "film" looks of yours. The picture styles (or Olympus vivid/natural/etc settings) don't hold a candle to this feature (though they are certainly better than what the 20D used to do).
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Personally, it looks too big for me to want to tote it around no matter how good the output might be. I don't want to carry something the size of an unabridged dictionary with a big tin of oatmeal stuck to the front.
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Personally, it looks too big for me to want to tote it around no
matter how good the output might be. I don't want to carry
something the size of an unabridged dictionary with a big tin of
oatmeal stuck to the front.
Neither do I. However, if I needed some/all of the features and no smaller camera could offer it/them, I would use one nonetheless. I count myself lucky that I no longer have to work as a photographer.

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.. are always hard to get out of the camera, of any kind .. but to my liking, the best skin tones in digital world are those rendered by KM 7D camera so far. Impeccably beautiful. Minolta had a way with beautiful colour.

I also like how Nikon D2X captures skin tones (and details!), and among Olys, E1 and Oly E330, in my recent test with HP 9180 -- E330 renders incredibly beautiful and gentle gradations, better than E1.

Daily I retouch dozens of photos (for press) coming from all different cameras and yes, Canons are the worst re real life colours. Great pieces of electronics, no doubt, but nothing else. Their colours are completely artificial.

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Tom Pariz
 
To me the designation pro is really rather blurred and basically
falls into 3 categories, and what I am about to call them will
probably send someone off on one but it is just to show the
difference:

1) Semi-pro, serious amateur etc. so that would be the Nikon D200,
Canon 30D, Pentax K10D
Only thing here is that I'll tend to agree with Louis in that a pro is making his/her living here. I know a LOT of pros with D200s and 20Ds in particular. And most of them have two of each camera. This was justified against spending the same amount or MORE for D2x or 5D... though I do see your point as well.
2) Buy-your-own pro, very very good cameras with a price most self
employed professionals can afford, this covers the Canon 5D and
older category 3 cameras, see below
I can see this, to a degree, though see my previous line up there. Especially where the 5D was concerned. I cannot wait to see that camera disappear. I hate selling it to people.
3) 'agency' i.e. cameras dished out by news agencies, affordable
only to pros with serious cash, so thats the top of the range,
including Canon 1D mk III, Nikon D2xs. The older ones fall away
into group two, e.g. Nikon D2hs, Canon 1D IIN etc.
And, frankly, a number of the agency cameras are sponsored or have been sold through group rating to the aforementioned agencies at a greatly reduced rate in order to assure a company's name being attached to said agency. For instance it's not unheard of for News Agencies to get their hands on a groupd of D2x bodies for the 3 grand price point... and that's 5D levels. Or a MKIIn for 2800 bucks. Group rate advertising at it's finest.
Now, Olympus would be out of their mind to produce a group (3)
camera, for a start it is such a drastic leap over anything they
have made so far - the 1D III has 19 cross type AF points alone and
goes upto ASA 6400 - the E1 was troublesome over ASA 400 and had
less than a quarter the AF points. Clearly the P3, E1 successor is
going to be a group 2 camera, besting the D200, 30D lot and aimed
at the mid range pro cameras but still affordable by the vast
majority of pro's, because that is where they get the income from.
I agree with this 110%. The E-3 will be participating in that most overt of fields: the serious hobbyist to working pro. Ironically, the E-3 itself promises to be a serious leap over anything Oly has done regardless... it will turn heads just because it can.
A lot of people are expecting far too much from the P3, and not
expecting enough in other respects. It clearly won't have the out
right better specs over the ultra cameras but it will have the same
level of sealing, it will have an articulated screen, it will have
live view, it will have noise pinned down as seen on the new
E510/410 (only upto 3200 i suspect), it will have better AF (5 to 9
cross type) - it will easily best the D200 and on cross platform
features equal the speculative 40D, but have that little bit of Oly
speciality.
Absolutely. There are too many naysayers stating that Olympus is practicaly in it's death throes and that the E-3 is going to need alien technologies from Tyger Pax integrated within to save them (wink). This is utter b.s. of course. Oly isn't going anywhere and the E-3 is going to be a very, very good camera making it's run to be the best of the sub-2000 dollar category. It will not be competing with the 4500 dollar MkIII, nor should it be considered to do so. It's build will be similar, true, and it will have live view, and the megapixels will be similar... so to the lesser educated it will appear to compete somewhat but the comparison isn't fair and neither is it apples to apples. Oly knows what niches they belong in, what they do best in, and the E-3 will cater to that philosophy specfically. Personally, I think it's going to be a hell of a camera.
The most concerning things are details like wireless flash etc.
True. Heck, I'd settle just for improved reliability and consistency in flash exposure. :)

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And not that I need to remind, really, you know your stuff...

but it is that quality of pixel thing so discussed to death around here. The MKIII's pixels are of exquisite levels. It'll out-resolve the 5D and the 1DsMKII per pixel because it's been built to do so... like the E-1 was so much better than the other 6's out at the time due to that lovely Kodak pixel. This thing's got 10 million superb pixels.

It'll be worth it to the right people. As a camera sales guy, I expect to sell a lot of the MKIII. In fact we expect to sell more than the 5D and 1DsMKII combined.

LOL heck look at the Hubble telescope. A billion dollar 1.2mp camera.
think ISO6400 is a vital requirement. Still a nice camera, but I'd
not want to pay that money for 10MP PERSONALLY.
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there are no better companies, only better images.
 
And with Live View no less! And a MERE 10mp! Who would be interested in today's market?

I cannot COUNT how many times I've told the up and coming Canon photographer to wait on buying the 5D and to save just a bit longer for the MKIII... then they find out it has less megapixels. And that it's not FF. You should see, no joke, really, how shaken they really are. They can't believe it. And at that point they don't believe me that it's going to be the best DSLR Canon's ever built. I had one guy flat out tell me how betrayed he felt!

Sad.
It's a cropped sensor DSLR. How could anyone possibly take it
seriously?

;P

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