F909 - Survey...Would you get one?

After all, technology is moving so fast and DSLR prices are
dropping...
Yes. There is not much room for Sony to just stay there. Even maintaining at the price level of $1,000 is just helpless from preventing advance users that eventually would switch to D-SLR as the prices drop sharp.

GoldenHammer

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
NO!
I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:
  • B shutter
  • re-exposure
  • hotshoe support
  • more WB options
  • more color control
  • user define profile
  • 10x high quality optical len
The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
The dark viewfinder is my main gripe with the 707. If they would fix that or give us the option to select a higher shutter speed in auto mode I'd be happy.
I think you forgot the most important enhancement of all ---- we
need to be able to SEE what we are trying to photograph. Ever tried
catching kids hitting at a pinata with external flash on the 707
and low light? You can frame it but you can't catch the "moment"
 
After all, technology is moving so fast and DSLR prices are
dropping...
Yes. There is not much room for Sony to just stay there. Even
maintaining at the price level of $1,000 is just helpless from
preventing advance users that eventually would switch to D-SLR as
the prices drop sharp.
Very true. Judging from the photos and comments posted on this forum, most F707 users have quite advanced skills and requirements, and I fully expect that many are looking at a DSLR rather than a simple upgrade to their F707s.

While my skills as a photographer may be quite limited compared to other STFers, I did take the leap last month by moving from an F707 to a D30. I have to reluctantly admit that they are worlds apart.

As far as I am concerned, a 6MP DSLR is not all that appealing since it would require a total upgrade of my system (CPU, storage). While the 5MP images I got from my F707 were more or less adequate straight out of the camera, the wider dynamic range, low noise, and color space provided by a DSLR would allow much more leeway to post-process images with no or minimal loss of image quality.

In other words, getting a high MP digital SLR without having the necessary processing power to handle its images somewhat defeats the purpose. This, added to the price of addtional lenses (which will not be dropping in parallel with the price of bodies) means that a move to a digital SLR would require a much bigger investment than some would think.

This is where "consumer" products like the F707 could still have some selling power even around the $1000 price mark.--cheers,bluedot.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -www.pbase.com/nichijin
 
I wouder what would be the "entry" cost for a D60 or D100, say the body plus a standard prime len.

Probably by the time of June this year, if its something around $2,500 that would be really attractive to me... :D

GoldenHammer
After all, technology is moving so fast and DSLR prices are
dropping...
Yes. There is not much room for Sony to just stay there. Even
maintaining at the price level of $1,000 is just helpless from
preventing advance users that eventually would switch to D-SLR as
the prices drop sharp.
Very true. Judging from the photos and comments posted on this
forum, most F707 users have quite advanced skills and requirements,
and I fully expect that many are looking at a DSLR rather than a
simple upgrade to their F707s.

While my skills as a photographer may be quite limited compared to
other STFers, I did take the leap last month by moving from an F707
to a D30. I have to reluctantly admit that they are worlds apart.

As far as I am concerned, a 6MP DSLR is not all that appealing
since it would require a total upgrade of my system (CPU, storage).
While the 5MP images I got from my F707 were more or less adequate
straight out of the camera, the wider dynamic range, low noise, and
color space provided by a DSLR would allow much more leeway to
post-process images with no or minimal loss of image quality.

In other words, getting a high MP digital SLR without having the
necessary processing power to handle its images somewhat defeats
the purpose. This, added to the price of addtional lenses (which
will not be dropping in parallel with the price of bodies) means
that a move to a digital SLR would require a much bigger investment
than some would think.

This is where "consumer" products like the F707 could still have
some selling power even around the $1000 price mark.
--
cheers,
bluedot.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
http://www.pbase.com/nichijin
-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
I wouder what would be the "entry" cost for a D60 or D100, say the
body plus a standard prime len.

Probably by the time of June this year, if its something around
$2,500 that would be really attractive to me... :D
Rumor has it that the D100 will be around $2,400 and the D60 at $2,900. However, there is a good chance that Canon will drop the price of the D60 to match the Nikon. In that case, you would be able to get the D60 with the excellent EF50mm F1.8 (poor build quality but great glass -- a steal at $85) for just under $2,500. Yay!--cheers,bluedot.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -www.pbase.com/nichijin
 
Would it be $1,200 - 1,500... very nice if so...

GH
I wouder what would be the "entry" cost for a D60 or D100, say the
body plus a standard prime len.

Probably by the time of June this year, if its something around
$2,500 that would be really attractive to me... :D
Rumor has it that the D100 will be around $2,400 and the D60 at
$2,900. However, there is a good chance that Canon will drop the
price of the D60 to match the Nikon. In that case, you would be
able to get the D60 with the excellent EF50mm F1.8 (poor build
quality but great glass -- a steal at $85) for just under $2,500.
Yay!
--
cheers,
bluedot.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
http://www.pbase.com/nichijin
-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
Glenn,

i feel with you. before my 707 are really top, i lost a lot of my
hairs. you think right, but in the price level at the 707 you
cannot find other camera, that contains the same features.
i think the 707 firmware is workaround, and they had to
much tolerances in the endcontrol. but sony has fixed i think.
since my 707 was changed form sony to a new 707 and they
are complete adjusted by sony, i have my hairs
return and he camera works pretty. they have some mistakes made,
but you should think so bad. my 505V has taken top shoots.
in the wideangle area, the flash will somes overexposed, but you
can correct, when you adjust the flashlevel to low in the camera setup.

Peter
I bought a 505V which had enormous problems with focus and the
color on flash photos taken in auto was shifted blue. These were
obvious flaws and evidenced poor testing and quality control. They
never fixed the firmware bug that caused the shift inauto mode
(instead tweaking the overall color).

Frustraited I baught a 707 which turns out also has serious design
bugs in the flash system. Its been months now and although they
know about the problems Sony havent made any comments formally to
the public who pruchased as to whether they are going to fix these
problems.

If they dont fix these problems in one way or another, I will never
buy another Sony camera...because I have lost trust in Sony as a
company.
 
Would it be $1,200 - 1,500... very nice if so...
That would be pushing it. No. Not before a couple of years. But you can get a refurb D30 (body only) for around $1500-1700.--cheers,bluedot.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -www.pbase.com/nichijin
 
I am not sure if it would drop quick soon... :D

GH
Would it be $1,200 - 1,500... very nice if so...
That would be pushing it. No. Not before a couple of years. But you
can get a refurb D30 (body only) for around $1500-1700.
--
cheers,
bluedot.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
In a nutshell, I'm a nutcase.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
http://www.pbase.com/nichijin
-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
Goldenhammer,

you have forgotten to wish higher ISO-Level.
800 to 1600 added is my wish.

if anyone can deliver this "909V" Model please post me ...

Peter
I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:
  • B shutter
  • re-exposure
  • hotshoe support
  • more WB options
  • more color control
  • user define profile
  • 10x high quality optical len
The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 
Yes. It is nice at this price level.

If Sony could add the features proposed by members at a fair price. It would probably prevent some Sony fan from switching to the D-SLRs.

GoldenHammer
i feel with you. before my 707 are really top, i lost a lot of my
hairs. you think right, but in the price level at the 707 you
cannot find other camera, that contains the same features.
i think the 707 firmware is workaround, and they had to
much tolerances in the endcontrol. but sony has fixed i think.
since my 707 was changed form sony to a new 707 and they
are complete adjusted by sony, i have my hairs
return and he camera works pretty. they have some mistakes made,
but you should think so bad. my 505V has taken top shoots.
in the wideangle area, the flash will somes overexposed, but you
can correct, when you adjust the flashlevel to low in the camera
setup.

Peter
I bought a 505V which had enormous problems with focus and the
color on flash photos taken in auto was shifted blue. These were
obvious flaws and evidenced poor testing and quality control. They
never fixed the firmware bug that caused the shift inauto mode
(instead tweaking the overall color).

Frustraited I baught a 707 which turns out also has serious design
bugs in the flash system. Its been months now and although they
know about the problems Sony havent made any comments formally to
the public who pruchased as to whether they are going to fix these
problems.

If they dont fix these problems in one way or another, I will never
buy another Sony camera...because I have lost trust in Sony as a
company.
-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B
 

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