F909 - Survey...Would you get one?

[GoldenHammer]

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly, existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707 plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[David (r00t)]

Not for $1500.00 I would wait then price match it.

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--DavidMy galleries http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292111925http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292056545 'What we have here is a failure to communicate' - Cool Hand Luke

 

[GoldenHammer]

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--
David

My galleries
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292111925
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292056545

'What we have here is a failure to communicate' - Cool Hand Luke

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[Jimmy Chen]

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

Rumor from Omega Zero indicates a 6mp, so I would guess the F909 will still stay under 1K, w/o the 10x zoom ... I will get one ...

Personally I rather not see such high zoom as a lens can only keep its quality so well when it does such a wide range.

jc

 

[nzmacro]

Even if the 707 had a decent flash hot shoe, I would get one tomorrow.

With what you have in your list, it must have an IS lens. Cant live without it. And the answer is YES I would. The CD-1000 would be history. Untill then, no.

All the best and the things dreams are made of )

Danny.

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--Macro, what a world.............................. http://www.macrophotos.com

 

[Little Pooter]

No, I would hang on to the 707 for another generation, and probably wait for the bugs to get worked out of such a big lens (IS or not).

Besides, I just cant justify upgrading EVERY year (or 6 mos.) The 707 is already more camera than I probably need.

I'll wait for the Sony F 1010 or whatever they might call it.

--Mark

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--MarkF707, LEVBFS but lovin every minute of it!Infrared-o-maniacStickers on, dangling cap. http://www.pbase.com/little_pooter

 

[Roy Ehman]

I think you forgot the most important enhancement of all ---- we need to be able to SEE what we are trying to photograph. Ever tried catching kids hitting at a pinata with external flash on the 707 and low light? You can frame it but you can't catch the "moment"

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--=Roy=

 

[GoldenHammer]

Or... the enhancement of personal photography skill ...

GoldenHammer

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--
=Roy=

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[Tim Pohl82930]

I realize they skipped the F606 (at least I think they did), but what makes you so sure it won't be called the F808?

As for the other part of your question. I think I am going to get an F707 very soon. There are endless things that would make it even better. Higher resolution, hot shoe, etc.

Longer lens? hmm. Yes of course, but I wouldn't want to give up any on the wide angle end either, nor quality of the lens. I don't know. I think they might have it right the way it is.

One thing is for sure. As soon as the F909 (or F808) comes out, we will be dreaming of the next one. Just one more megapixel. Just a bit longer lens. Just a bit faster lens. Just a bit faster CCD...

 

[Mike Fitzgerald]

These surveys are a tease (nothing personal GH) because they always force you to fit your thoughts into predefined pigeonholes.

I'm looking forward to the F909 (or whatever) more in the grand hope that they will have got past the knife-and-forking and REALLY fixed the current problems.

Let's not forget that the intrinsic optical vignetting of the 707 is the worst of the entire current crop to begin with — and that's even before you get into the dark-left-side issue which appears separate from lens quality and is totally unacceptable in a product of this class. They have a lot of work to do before they get distracted with new models/features.

Those things are more important to me than price alone, so I'd go along with r00t about not rushing into it — this also for the reason that EVERY new model has its own crop of new bugs. I'm definitely a follower in this regard.

Other than that, and if the 10x zoom had IS as well without compromising the existing quality (zero DLSS of course!), then I reckon I'd be in for one like a rat up a drainpipe

Without IS (and looking at the pricepoint of, say, the Canon Pro90) then I think $1500 is getting too high in this competitive climate. It's also getting temptingly close to the E-20, which I'll bet would be a much stronger contender at the moment if they'd fully addressed all the E-10 gripes and hung at least a 5x on it.

Sorry if that provides more questions than answers. Besides which, the current Foveon developments have turned the whole question of near-future models base over apex for just now...

Mike

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[GoldenHammer]

This model probably is not for everyone, as it would be heavy and sizing... for me, whether it is a Feveon, Sony 6MP or not is not critical... but the control options and flexibility for photography.

I would see this model could be at the position between D-SLR and prosumer cams like D7, E20. Or at the same class, if any, something D9 or E30...

GoldenHammer

Sorry if that provides more questions than answers. Besides which,
the current Foveon developments have turned the whole question of
near-future models base over apex for just now...

Mike

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[Mike Fitzgerald]

Unquestionably, Roy. I had that one in mind and then forgot to put it down in the end.

There are two big things missing, these days, that were the subject of milestone developments with SLRs — full aperture framing/fucussing (with manual DOF preview), and proper TTL control of both built-in and external flash. These developments took place two full decades ago.

It continues to amaze me that the digital photography age has progressed (??) this far while appearing to have tossed those goodies overboard for all but the top pro gear.

Mike

I think you forgot the most important enhancement of all ---- we
need to be able to SEE what we are trying to photograph. Ever tried
catching kids hitting at a pinata with external flash on the 707
and low light? You can frame it but you can't catch the "moment"

 

[GoldenHammer]

GoldenHammer

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--
=Roy=

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[Mike Fitzgerald]

This model probably is not for everyone, as it would be heavy

Bah!! My Oly OM2n with a 35–70 on it is 1050 grams!

and
sizing... for me, whether it is a Feveon, Sony 6MP or not is not
critical... but the control options and flexibility for photography.

We obviously agree!

I would see this model could be at the position between D-SLR and
prosumer cams like D7, E20. Or at the same class, if any, something
D9 or E30...

The crazy thing is that all the important features already exist on other competing cameras, but never in the one package. Yet most of them are software based and would cost next to nothing to implement. So (with the arguable exception of a 10x IS lens) there's no reason at all why such a camera should need to be positioned anywhere higher in the market than the F707 currently sits. The 6Mp will cancel out because everybody will be going that way. Let's face it, there are many advanced amateurs and pros wanting to beat a path to Sony's door to grab a 707 in its current configuration, with the only real stumbling block being flash issues (studio flash and WB).

When the D7 appeared it followed a paper specification that was the stuff dreams are made of. It was all there, in the one package, except that it just hasn't lived up to its specs.

If Minolta can simply remove all the rough edges, then by doing no more than adding generic flash sync to dispense with the current overpriced accessory (but at least it exists!), they have the potential to make the D9 a fearsome competitor if not world beater.

Mike

 

[GoldenHammer]

I really missed these as I do very few flash shots...

GoldenHammer

There are two big things missing, these days, that were the subject
of milestone developments with SLRs — full aperture
framing/fucussing (with manual DOF preview), and proper TTL control
of both built-in and external flash. These developments took place
two full decades ago.

It continues to amaze me that the digital photography age has
progressed (??) this far while appearing to have tossed those
goodies overboard for all but the top pro gear.

Mike

I think you forgot the most important enhancement of all ---- we
need to be able to SEE what we are trying to photograph. Ever tried
catching kids hitting at a pinata with external flash on the 707
and low light? You can frame it but you can't catch the "moment"

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[GLP]

Absolutely not. Something along the lines of the D100, perhaps. I think there's got to be some type of major breakthrough. There's not that much difference between the S70-S75-S85 and F707. Gimme something that's dramatically better, then we'll see. Gary

 

[faral]

I realize they skipped the F606 (at least I think they did), but
what makes you so sure it won't be called the F808?

sony likes odd numbered model numbers.

 

[GoldenHammer]

For this case, Sony would be going to join the game of D-SLR and with direct competition to Nikon/Canon/Fuji... etc...but... they don't make them own lens...

Sony traditionally makes their proprietary standards, if they go for the D-SLR market, would they follow the lens development of Nikon/ Canon?

GoldenHammer

Absolutely not. Something along the lines of the D100, perhaps. I
think there's got to be some type of major breakthrough. There's
not that much difference between the S70-S75-S85 and F707. Gimme
something that's dramatically better, then we'll see. Gary

-- http://www.pbase.com/liman/root Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

 

[Erichatch]

I'd really want to see

Hot shoe support AND the ability to set shutter speed and WB using flash. The current flash system is lousy

Switchable color space, or RGB color space instead of sRGB. sRGB is what causes the saturation issues with the camera.

"burst" capability expanded to 8 or so shots.

More pre-sets like Twighlight, Portrait, etc. One for Sand & Snow would be really helpful, for instance

A Foveon chip

Microdrive instead of the crummy memory sticks

Full (not restricted) ability to shoot in IR during daylight.

Other than that, the shopping list looks good. And I'd pay 1200, but NOT for a camera with the design flaws of the current model.

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.

At a price of USD 1,500, with all the existing features of the F707
plus additional enhancement:

• B shutter
• re-exposure
• hotshoe support
• more WB options
• more color control
• user define profile
• 10x high quality optical len

The support of all these should create lot of photography
possibilities and fun no matter it is a D-SLR or not.

GoldenHammer
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/root
Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-F707 + Olympus TCON-314B/ WCON-08B

--EricF707 http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc

 

[Ulysses]

Isn't this the third time you've asked this? ;-)

Did something happen to your F707?

I posted a similar message before, but I would like to do a quick
survey to see if it is posiitive to STF members, particularly,
existing F707 owners.-- Ulysses