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this is not the kind of shots from me, of course^ ^
its from link of outliner.jp
indoor flash setting
use an 82A filter will be the way to go.
SandyF said:
pollux, what are you settings, processing, etc? have you tried
starting your SD14 RAW at zero sliders, reset color wheel to center
and/or tried the different white balances if this is flash? here's
what I'm finding:
a) on an outdoor, natural light photo, ISO400, ISO200s both (all my
dancer photos): while the RAW is processing in SPP3, it looks good,
then it goes bluish. When I then reset both sliders and color wheel
to ZERO, I have essentially the photo I was watching 'develop.' Now
I'm processing from that starting point.

b) flash seems to work differently in processing above. My couple
flash photos yesterday (granted not people shots, no people to
experiment with, just dog and furniture) I found the FLASH white
balance was way too yellow. I put SPP white balance to auto and it
was good. I also found that processing to auto sliders was good.
see http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman/sd14_experiments

c) not sure of 'why' on variations above, but try above. Major
differences in processing output. My guess is the 'capture' (photo
input) is OK. But we're seeing variations in output from how we're
processing. I felt I had SPP2.1 for SD10 under control & understood
it, but SPP3 (or SPP2.2 Mac I don't use) is acting differently.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann
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Gunter B said:
The values are meant as a lead. And of course do they vary. One
important point that can break that rules easily is light-color. If
light is yellow, the skintone-yellow will easily exceed that 20%
rule and still be right.
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'Right' is subjective. If your intent is "warmer" that's not the same as just too much yellow.
Gunter B said:
I have never heard of pink natural light though ;)
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Never been out at dawn or dusk? It happens.
Gunter B said:
In case you didn´t notice, that post was meant as a common reply to
that ridiculous post of some Matt and his Pet-Troll Schnauzer, who
claimed, some of my pics were way too yellow and made it
piglet-pink then to "correct" it.
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I missed that. What were the before/after CYM values?

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Erik
 
or I think we just need to get the processing and processing settings under control -- the zero reset business I write about above is an important insight I think into how SPP3 is working (strangely?) at present --
 
pollux, indoor flash white balance setting on my experiments yesterday went into really weird yellow cast in software processing. auto white balance was much better. I didn't put the bad yellow cast photo (of trunk) online, 'cause I'm tired of basher-trolls using experimental photos we discuss as "examples!!"

to me, that's the main problem with the trolls, they are hindering our (SD14 users) in assisting one another with the new cameras and different software --
 
SandyF said:
or I think we just need to get the processing and processing
settings under control -- the zero reset business I write about
above is an important insight I think into how SPP3 is working
(strangely?) at present --
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The settings recorded for these two images are:

Exposure = 8/10
Contrast = 0/10
Shadow = -1/10
Highlight = 6/10
Saturation = -1/10
Sharpness = 0/10
X3 Fill Light = 3/10
Color Adjustment = 290/10, 240/10, 0/10

Exposure = 8/10
Contrast = 0/10
Shadow = -1/10
Highlight = 6/10
Saturation = -1/10
Sharpness = 0/10
X3 Fill Light = 3/10
Color Adjustment = 290/10, 240/10, 0/10

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Erik
 
Chunsum J Choi said:
pollux said:
this is not the kind of shots from me, of course^ ^
its from link of outliner.jp
indoor flash setting
use an 82A filter will be the way to go.
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one would think that will give a blue cast.
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No blue cast, AWB will take care of it
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=460888528&size=o
Chunsum J Choi said:
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C.

http://www.pbase.com/chunsum
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/chunsum_choi
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Schnauzer said:
. . . Sigmas capture too little yellow? Excellent argument! Right
up there with Laurence's doctrines of observer metamerism and
illuminants. Gunter, you're qualified to be anointed as High Priest
in the Church of Sigma.
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The very last set of images, showing skintone corrected with CMYK adjusted curves displays a skintone that misguided people such as yourself seem to complain about being too yellow.

In short, Sigma's produce accurate colors (something we have said all along) and people such as yourself insist on making colors that people complain about when they see them in print, because they are too red - it happens almost all the time when I see images "corrected" by well meaning people in forums.

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http://InsideAperture.com
http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/user_home
 
all I shoot is people these days and the link he has posted is spot on.

Skin tones are rarely pink....from what I've seen of shots posted by complainers they would get the colour balance wrong one way or another with whatever they used!
best
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Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
 
Chunsum J Choi said:
looks like mix lighting WB to me.
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In mixed lighting yoiu are going to either have to choose an in-between white balance, or correct it ahead of time with something to help the flash match the color temperature of your lighting. Happily for me, I have a collection of photography techniques from twenty years ago that describe how to actually adjust lighting...

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---> Kendall
http://InsideAperture.com
http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/user_home
 
I am not so sure about that, folks.

The Sigma Flash-WB IS wrong, at least it was on the SD10/SPP combo. I didn´t try yet on the 14, but from what I see, it doesn´t seem to be changed.

Did somebody try Flash-WB in JPG-mode yet? If that should be OK, it´s probably a SPP problem.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
Chunsum J Choi said:
looks like mix lighting WB to me.
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In mixed lighting yoiu are going to either have to choose an
in-between white balance, or correct it ahead of time with
something to help the flash match the color temperature of your
lighting. Happily for me, I have a collection of photography
techniques from twenty years ago that describe how to actually
adjust lighting...

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---> Kendall
http://InsideAperture.com
http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/user_home
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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 
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