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1.DSLR's are a dead end group of products, they have a lot of dark secrets, and it is simply wasting of time to take closer look at it. They will be gone...

2. I always like too see new archeological discoveries about crocodiles released before horses. It makes me relaxed.

3. More archeology: after firing designers of the DSC-V3, Sony hired engineers, who never saw a camera. That's how the R-1 was born. Next decisions were even more bizarre

4. Naive believes in the market mechanisms may be even fatal. Fifty years ago, the car makers were saying, that consumers buy chrome and speed, not safety.

Diopter said:

1.DSLR's are a dead end group of products, they have a lot of dark
secrets

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Dark secrets? Woo!

Diopter said:

2. I always like too see new archeological discoveries about
crocodiles released before horses. It makes me relaxed.

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Another dark secret, I guess.

Diopter said:

3. More archeology: after firing designers of the DSC-V3, Sony
hired engineers, who never saw a camera. That's how the R-1 was
born. Next decisions were even more bizarre.

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Source? And speaking of bizarre...

Diopter said:

4. Naive believes in the market mechanisms may be even fatal. Fifty
years ago, the car makers were saying, that consumers buy chrome
and speed, not safety.

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They did buy chrome in the '50s. Lots of it. If consumers bought safety, Volvo and Mercedes would have taken over the US market. They were available, but the market did not flock to Volvo and Mercedes.

But in the '70s something did happen. The market wanted more economical cars, and the US makers wouldn't or couldn't do it. So consumers turned to Japanese makes such as Honda, Datsun and Toyota. Unfortunately for your own personal priorities, these vehicles were even less safe than US cars of the time. So you would still need to purchase a Mercedes or Volvo if you valued your safety above all else.

Ignoring the market is what kills. Just ask GM, Ford and (soon to be independent again) Chrysler. But don't ask Toyota and Honda, they get it (and they finally got religion on safety, too).

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Also in analog era Olympus had many memorable cameras.
Please see recent story about E-330
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=22879634

Couldn't help but post something in favor of the OP.

the duck test — "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck".

So, technically a mammal, the dolphin is in many respects a lot closer to a "typical" fish.
Not sure how the Oly could be closer to a fixed-lens camera than a SLR though.

thanks for bearing with the rant
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Got it. Thank you.

1. E-300 and 330 have an unique light path of the penta-mirrors, what makes entire box as handsome as a good rangefinder
2. Not to mention super unusual live preview in recently discontinued model.
It is already a dolphin between the fish...

Diopter said:

1. E-300 and 330 have an unique light path of the penta-mirrors,
what makes entire box as handsome as a good rangefinder

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It's not a penta-anything, it's a porro-mirror system. As for looks, the E300 doesn't look anything like a rangefinder. The grip and the chunky part on the top plate just don't fit the look at all. At least with the E330 they smoothed out these parts to make them less obvious.

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And as a bad camera by nearly everyone else.

I think "cult" means there are only a few, the initiates, who know the truth. They see the truth where others see only facts, with all due deference to Junior Samples.

brianj said:

Does it need to be becoming extinct to be a cult camera. Otherwise
the Ricoh GRD is certainly considered a cult camera by its
followers.

Brian

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PhotoTraveler said:

Diopter said:

There is always some tensions between scientists and the believers
in common sense.

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Huh, those with common sense have tension with those who have
common sense?

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Science doesn't always match up with common sense. After all, common sense says that heavier objects fall faster than light ones, that the world is flat, and that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

That's good, you like Sony cameras, i'll talk to you later about that..

I am not a big observer of the variety trade names around. They mean little, and last for a season. It is a kind of brainwash.

Anyway: unique locations of the five mirrors (porro-blah-blah, if you insist) is one of engineering achievements of the 300 and 330. Of course, the look is closer to rangefinder, than to an ornamental pumpkin called DSLR.

Diopter said:

That's good, you like Sony cameras

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Huh? Where did that come from?

Diopter said:

Anyway: unique locations of the five mirrors (porro-blah-blah, if
you insist) is one of engineering achievements of the 300 and 330.

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Porro prism/mirror have been around for about 150 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porro_prism

And the E300 is not the first use of this in a SLR. Here's an example that's 40 years older:

http://www.cameraquest.com/olypenf.htm

Diopter said:

Of course, the look is closer to rangefinder, than to an ornamental
pumpkin called DSLR.

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Porro systems lose more light than penta mirror/prisms. That's a real usability issue.

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Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed

You have missed the Kodak P880.
Leo

Carnildo said:

PhotoTraveler said:

Diopter said:

There is always some tensions between scientists and the believers
in common sense.

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Huh, those with common sense have tension with those who have
common sense?

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Science doesn't always match up with common sense. After all, common sense says that heavier objects fall faster than light ones, that the world is flat, and that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

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?? What.