Canon S9000 vs Epson 1280 shootout at TechTV
http://www.techtv.com/products/hardware/story/0,23008,3373126,00.html
http://www.techtv.com/products/hardware/story/0,23008,3373126,00.html
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S9000 vs 1280 Review
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killerbobjr
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AwakeAtTheWheel
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Great article! Thanks.
It says "In some cases, like when you want to print borderless prints, you must use the bundled software. For example, in order to print beautiful borderless prints with the Epson, you are forced to use Film Factory."
Is that true? Or can I use Photoshop to print borderless prints? (I don't care if it crops out something, btw.)--Sandy Santrawww.pbase.com/santra
It says "In some cases, like when you want to print borderless prints, you must use the bundled software. For example, in order to print beautiful borderless prints with the Epson, you are forced to use Film Factory."
Is that true? Or can I use Photoshop to print borderless prints? (I don't care if it crops out something, btw.)--Sandy Santrawww.pbase.com/santra
AwakeAtTheWheel
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Unfortunately, the article doesn't seem to discuss archival capabilities. I know the Epson 1280 gives you about 25-year prints with the right paper and ink, but what about the Canon?
Since I currently have the lame HP 970Cse (love those tiny lines across each print, and the ink turning green after three years), I am eager to get a new and better printer, but want to be careful.--Sandy Santrawww.pbase.com/santra
Since I currently have the lame HP 970Cse (love those tiny lines across each print, and the ink turning green after three years), I am eager to get a new and better printer, but want to be careful.--Sandy Santrawww.pbase.com/santra
Don Sider
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Loc:
I'm waiting for Epson to introduce an A3 version of their "Colorio 950c"
which is currently available only in Japan.
The "Colorio " printer print's at 2880 x 1440 dpi and has a seven color
individual ink replacement system, and print's borderless up to 13 x 19.
This would be the "ultimate" printer and should easily beat the Canon
s9000, as long as Epson doesn't provide the same ink with this new printer
that they are currently "stiffing" us 1280 owner's with.
Oh, to live in a perfect digital world!!!
dvg_85
Don Sider
Well-known member
Sandy:
Check out this link from the Canon U.K. website.
http://www.canon.co.uk/bubblejet_printers/index.htm
dvg_85
Forbidden Fruit
Leading Member
Yes this is a surprise to me and making me think twice. What is the maximum print size ?
Forbidden Fruit
Leading Member
Took a look at this site:
http://www.canon.co.uk/bubblejet_printers/index.htm
Its says borderless printing for Photo Paper Pro (A3, A4 & 4"x6"), Glossy Photo Paper (A3 & A4). Not sure whu the type of paper would matter but seems that A3 borderless is possible.
Judging by how hard it is to get PPP now I expect getting A3 Photo Paper Pro to be impossible....
http://www.canon.co.uk/bubblejet_printers/index.htm
Its says borderless printing for Photo Paper Pro (A3, A4 & 4"x6"), Glossy Photo Paper (A3 & A4). Not sure whu the type of paper would matter but seems that A3 borderless is possible.
Judging by how hard it is to get PPP now I expect getting A3 Photo Paper Pro to be impossible....
killerbobjr
Active member
I noticed the review also states that 4x6 requires perforated paper. Now either they're talking out of their a* , or Canon hasn't been forthcoming about their printer's true capabilities. For right now I'm holding off ordering the printer until I find out what the heck the actual capability is.
- Mike
killerbobjr
Active member
Okay, followup: I downloaded the S9000 driver. Both the help file and the driver setup indicate that you can do true borderless printing on A3, A4, Letter, and 4x6 for plain paper, glossy photo paper, and Photo Paper Pro. No mention of perforated paper or limited to 4x6. Good enough for me -- I'm ordering one.
- Mike
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Ulysses
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mikews -
Can you verify these points as soon as your get your printer.
I had the exact same questions after reading the review.
-- Ulysses
Can you verify these points as soon as your get your printer.
I had the exact same questions after reading the review.
-- Ulysses
warren prasek
Veteran Member
Can you explain why an A3 version of the Colorio 950c would be better than the s9000? Assuming it is much faster than the current 1280, all its other specs would be identical to the s9000. So why would it be better?
just curious. i'll get the s9000 if it can do borderless A3. but why, oh why, can't you use longer sheets for panoramas like the 1280... sigh oh well...
just curious. i'll get the s9000 if it can do borderless A3. but why, oh why, can't you use longer sheets for panoramas like the 1280... sigh oh well...
--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
Along with making a mistake on Canon's borderless printing, they made another error with Canon's ink usage. The photo ink tanks do run out close to the same time, and yellow will be low by the time you replace the photo tanks, but the other tanks are still at least half way full, though I suppose it depends on the type of prints you do. In any case, they should have been able to do much more than 30 8x10 prints before needing to replace an ink tank.
Don Sider
Well-known member
Warren:
When I bought my 1280 in May 2001, I was blown away by the quality,
I also have a Canon s600 which isn't a bad printer, but not photo quality.
I'm not demeaning the new s9000, but it seem's that Epson has been
the inovator when it comes to inkjet technology.
If this remain's true, I would expect that due to the competition between
the two companies(Canon vs Epson) that Epson would in some way out do
Canon with their s9000.
I guess I'm just hoping that Epson comes out with a printer that won't
suddenly develop a "magenta" cast problem out of no where, and produce
higher dpi images than the Canon s9000.
If they don't, BELIEVE me I'll be one of the first one's in Canada to go out and buy an S9000, because I've had it with the 1280 and it's "cast" problem's.
Also, because the "Colorio" seem's to be available only in Japan currently,
the only info that I've been able to gather on it is from the Epson Japan
website, which is in predominantly Japanese.
But if there are any Japanese friend's out there that own one of the "Colorio 950c" printer's, and can tell us English folk if this printer is worth the wait(especially an A3 version of it) then please give us some insight.
It would be greatly appreciated!!!
dvg
Bill Hanyzewski
Active member
I have no problem printing borderless out of photoshop.
And Canon has done nothing in the past 2 years? Have you seen prints from Canon's photo printers?
You haven't even seen prints from Canon's S900 -- very few people have. I don't think Epson has outdone Canon in the last two years on anything. Both Canon and Epson produce fine ink-jet photo printers.
There is much more to a quality photo printer than DPI.
The magneta problem happened when Epson switched ink manufacturers, can't this be fixed?
Epson didn't release their last 7 color printer in the US or any country other than Japan, what makes you think they will release this one? It would be great if they did though. I just hope Canon introduces a 7 color printer too
Don Sider
Well-known member
I agree, I've got a Canon s600 with individual ink tanks and I've printed many images, but it alway's seem's that the cartridges run out at almost the same time.
When you run out of yellow, then you run out of magenta and so on.
It makes me think that these printer manufacturer's have developed a scam whereas you think you're saving money because you're only replacing one color at a time, but in actual fact you're paying more PER COLOR.
I mean think about it, I can buy a color cartridge for my Epson 1280 for around $45.00CDN and a black cartridge for about $35.00 CDN.
But if I buy replacement cartridges for the s9000 there gonna run around
$20.00 CDN x 6 or something around there( I can't say with certainty because the s9000 isn't available in Canada yet)
I do know that the cartridges for my Canon s600 cost $17.95 at Staples so if the s9000 uses the same cartridge then I'm gonna pay about $27.00
more than my Epson cartridges.
Where's the saving's!!!!
dvg
Don Sider
Well-known member
You are absolutely correct, I haven't seen images produced by an s9000,
but as I said if Canon's images are high quality I'd definitely look at buying
one.
The benchmark of a quality "photo printer" is the dpi at least when it comes to inkjet, dye-sub is totally different. I would rather buy an Epson with a dpi of 2880 x1440 than a Canon with 2400 x 1200. Now would anyone be able to tell the difference beteween the two dpi printer's, I don't know yet because at this point I'm only theorizing, neither printer is available here in Canada yet.
I and THOUSANDS of others around the world have the same question!!!!
With the PMA show being this weekend (Feb24 -27) in Florida, I'm hoping that Epson at least introduces the 950c but maybe they won't,I'm only guessing.Epson didn't release their last 7 color printer in the US or any
country other than Japan, what makes you think they will release
this one? It would be great if they did though. I just hope Canon
introduces a 7 color printer too
dvg
Although I have no experience with the S600, my experience with the 6 color BJC-8200 is they do not run out at the same time -- not even close!
Actually, you're not.
Should be the same price as the ink tanks for the S800 and BJC-8200 because as far as I know they use the same ink tanks.
How so? Previous Canon printers do not run out of ink at the same time. Epson printers don't either, though they make you think that they do. Even the newer Epson printers are using seperate ink tanks.
You remind me of someone who used to post here....
V
Vincent Oliver
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I can verify that you can do borderless printing right up to A3 with the Canon.mikews -
Can you verify these points as soon as your get your printer.
I had the exact same questions after reading the review.
Vincent--Vincent Oliver
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