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Why Canon EOS400D recieves more clicks than the D80?

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Hello Nikons,

just wondering,how come,a good camera like the D80,recieves less clicks than the Canon 400D.Ok the Canon veterans still see the Nikon as noisy at high ISO,and they are quite right.Deviating a bit off subject, recently I spoke to a full time Canon veteran and he was impressed about the Nikon D200.When I asked if the D80 had more noise than the D200 at high ISO,he said 'Yes',and this worried me a bit!Now with the same sensor like the D200,what do you nikons out there think,is the D80 noisier than the D200 at higher ISO say above ISO800?

Back to my orginal argument,I have been following for a long time the number of clicks on the cameras,and whilst Nikon D80 is on the decrease ever since,now even more that the D40X is out,I ask myself ,how come a good camera like the D80,generates less interest amongst people than teh competition.

Ok ,it might be that a large number of clicks generated in Canon 400D,are by committed canon users,and not new comers,and since Canon have a bigger market share,than Nikon,this might explain some things,but really,would love to hear your opinions on this matter.I have the D80,my first DSLR ,and really love it.Thanks

Nikon D80
18-200VR
50 f1.8
18-70
 
Does more clicks result in better photos ...I think not.

I would listen to everything your Canon friend says because he sure knows what he is talking about. (:D)

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Canon is a more "commonly known" brand. They make many things that consumers make contact with. Scanners, printers, copying machines etc etc. Therefore more poople, especially the younger ones, know what Canon is, while many of them never even heard about Nikon.

Add to that that Canon is MUCH better at marketing.

That pretty much explains why the Canons recieve more clicks. Regarding the D80 it's a bit on the expensive side for "average joe", I'd say, and it's not as interesting for a pro as the D200 is...
photoent said:
Hello Nikons,

just wondering,how come,a good camera like the D80,recieves less
clicks than the Canon 400D.Ok the Canon veterans still see the
Nikon as noisy at high ISO,and they are quite right.Deviating a bit
off subject, recently I spoke to a full time Canon veteran and he
was impressed about the Nikon D200.When I asked if the D80 had more
noise than the D200 at high ISO,he said 'Yes',and this worried me a
bit!Now with the same sensor like the D200,what do you nikons out
there think,is the D80 noisier than the D200 at higher ISO say
above ISO800?

Back to my orginal argument,I have been following for a long time
the number of clicks on the cameras,and whilst Nikon D80 is on the
decrease ever since,now even more that the D40X is out,I ask myself
,how come a good camera like the D80,generates less interest
amongst people than teh competition.

Ok ,it might be that a large number of clicks generated in Canon
400D,are by committed canon users,and not new comers,and since
Canon have a bigger market share,than Nikon,this might explain some
things,but really,would love to hear your opinions on this matter.I
have the D80,my first DSLR ,and really love it.Thanks

Nikon D80
18-200VR
50 f1.8
18-70
Click to expand...
 
I find raw about the same and jpg from the D80 cleaner, probably simply due to the evolving jpg engine. My boss is a pro shooter with both Nikon and Canon, and he concurs.

Some Canon cameras are slightly cleaner, some are more so. My XTI is marginally less noisy than my D80, at the cost of detail. In ALL other aspects, the D80 is above the XTI, as it should be at that price range. The 5D is clearly cleaner.

Canon Rebel sales have always been very good, it is a good product at a good price point and canon sucessfully markets it. If you combine D40, D80 and D200 sales, I believe Nikon is outselling Canon, and has been for a few months. Nikon has managed to bring a remarkable line up of products to the table in the last couple of years. Of course, canons 40D will appear soon, and the market will shift again. And so it goes.
 
Which is the better manufacturer ? Honda. Which is more popular ? GMC. Why, because people often purchase what other people own. I am not knocking Canon, just explaining why it is more popular. All three of my close friends shoot with Canon SLRs. Ask any of them why they selected Canon over other brands, the short answer is 'because every else shoots Canon'. No kidding.
 
Because I've clicked on the D80 many times before, and found out that, yes, with all its excellency, the D80 is expensive, and it utilizes a noisy CCD with questionable noise reduction processing which I don't like. So, I am looking for a more affordable camera to replace my died D70.

Reported underexposure problem of the 400D scares me away.

D40 + 18-200VR + SB800 seems to be a great combo, ha?

sergei
 
Show me the reviews that support this part about the noisy, detail reducing sensor.
 
If you look at the noise graphs and extrapolate the D80's curve beyond the ISO 400 point, you will have to admit that D80's CCD is noisier than some competitors; no surprise with its 10 Mp squized into the same area as the 6 Mp chip has. The drop of the curve at ISO 800 is due to the heavy, while not sophisticated NR. It gives the photos a plastic finish and loss of details.

I compare the D80 not with the D200, but with the D70 I own. Noise of the D70 becomes noticable at ISO 800, while that of the D80 - at ISO 400 (the source of samples is mostly PBase).

Just my opinion.

sergei
 
that said.. the Xti is indeed a decent camera.. and in fact very appealing for the first time buyer with it's info LCD that turns on and engages the 'tester'.

Traditional SLR models invite the first time user to look at their info screen at the top of the camera.. and most upgraders from P&S aren't used to that.. the XTi feels familiar..even though it doesn't have live preview..

maybe more people return and try and explore it's features online cuz they liked the way it handled in the store.
photoent said:
Hello Nikons,

just wondering,how come,a good camera like the D80,recieves less
clicks than the Canon 400D.Ok the Canon veterans still see the
Nikon as noisy at high ISO,and they are quite right.Deviating a bit
off subject, recently I spoke to a full time Canon veteran and he
was impressed about the Nikon D200.When I asked if the D80 had more
noise than the D200 at high ISO,he said 'Yes',and this worried me a
bit!Now with the same sensor like the D200,what do you nikons out
there think,is the D80 noisier than the D200 at higher ISO say
above ISO800?

Back to my orginal argument,I have been following for a long time
the number of clicks on the cameras,and whilst Nikon D80 is on the
decrease ever since,now even more that the D40X is out,I ask myself
,how come a good camera like the D80,generates less interest
amongst people than teh competition.

Ok ,it might be that a large number of clicks generated in Canon
400D,are by committed canon users,and not new comers,and since
Canon have a bigger market share,than Nikon,this might explain some
things,but really,would love to hear your opinions on this matter.I
have the D80,my first DSLR ,and really love it.Thanks

Nikon D80
18-200VR
50 f1.8
18-70
Click to expand...
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I see dead pixels
 
To my dear friend who said "clicks don't mean anything",I really don't agree with this.People don't happen to just click on anything,there are numerous brands out there that don't show on the click scale,so many times,people do click on what they are intersted in or what might look interesting and appealing to them!!

thanks

photoent
 
My D80 is much cleaner than my D70. at any iso. Maybe more photosite, but 2 year newer, better technology.
 
Canon is a well known brand as someone else said. They have printers, calculators, cameras and lots of other equipment... and yeah,Canon has better marketing too.

The 400D is a great camera too, that helps.

Being the "underdog" can be a good thing sometimes, having less pressure helps and you can come up with better products and better prices... even if they dont sell as good as the competition you can create a loyal consumer base.

There you have the Intel vs AMD analogy... or ATI vs Nvidia and a lot more...

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Better marketing by Canon!
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sandy b said:
My D80 is much cleaner than my D70. at any iso. Maybe more
photosite, but 2 year newer, better technology.
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The heavy-handed default high ISO noise reduction makes for a fairly clean image, but also destroys detail . In spite of that, I think it's a great camera, and I will not be upgrading to anything else for quite a while.

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photoent said:
Hello Nikons,
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photoent said:
Ok ,it might be that a large number of clicks generated in Canon
400D,are by committed canon users,and not new comers,and since
Canon have a bigger market share,than Nikon,this might explain some
things,but really,would love to hear your opinions on this matter.I
have the D80,my first DSLR ,and really love it.Thanks
Click to expand...
I don't know other places, but in HK I can only see TV advertisement for 400D frequently. No Nikon ads at all. It is a brain-ash. Nikon need to do more in this area.

Ken
 
Canon is a more popular brand. Its more consumer friendly and just so well known and looked at as "the camera brand" to have...

But this is just my opinion....I like them all..
 
i've noticed that nikon has product placement in TV shows and movies.

But i have noticed canon more in the news and stuff like current affair shows

Nikon D50
Nikon 18-200mm VR
Nikon 18-55mm
Nikon 85mm 1.8f
SB-800
 
Canon is known to have less noise using high ISO... you see more Canons during sports events for that reason...

But keep in mind... the more you click, the faster your shutter dies!!

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