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My son's dreams and the death of mine...

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Hi Jim

Putting too much pressure / expectations on your kids is a dangerous game; maybe your topic was tongue in cheek, but you should always be aware that they are their own people, and have the right to change their minds.

Too many sacrifices can end up in bitterness - of course, an M8 is trivial and unimportant, but the principle is worth considering, and tongue in cheek or not; it was you who wrote that title.

best wishes - and now I really AM off to bed!

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Jono Slack
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Well then how about the Pentax K100D for @$500.You can get used K mount lenses for @$34 each. It's small and light and has good image quality. ISO up to 3200 that's usable.

Or the Canon 350XT and a few lenses, 35 f/2, 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8 and a few zooms 28-105 USM II f/3.5-5.6 and the Tamron 75-300 f/4.5-6.5

All of the above are affordable and yield excellent quality.
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Artist Eyes
 
Jono Slack said:
Hi Jim
Putting too much pressure / expectations on your kids is a
dangerous game; maybe your topic was tongue in cheek, but you
should always be aware that they are their own people, and have the
right to change their minds.
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It is what he has wanted for the last several years.. hi goals and dreams, not mine. Both of my sons are free to choose whatever path they wish.
Jono Slack said:
Too many sacrifices can end up in bitterness - of course, an M8 is
trivial and unimportant, but the principle is worth considering,
and tongue in cheek or not; it was you who wrote that title.
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That's the problem with forums... guess I should have put :^) after it so everyone knew it was an attempt at humor. God, I hope no one actually thinks I've been begging for money.
Jono Slack said:
best wishes - and now I really AM off to bed!
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sleep tight.
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Jim Radcliffe
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Jim Radcliffe said:
My youngest son will be entering college next year. He visited his
school of choice recently and came back super impressed and with a
"can't wait to get there" attitude.

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Jim Radcliffe
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Hi Jim,

After failing to convince two daughters and a grandson to go to college, I say that is really good news about your son. Not so good about your M8 quest, but I like the phrase "what is yours will come to you", so hang in there. There is always a chance. I've got two more, a granddaughter and a great grandson for the college destination.

So, get to work imaginining how it will be to take pictures at his graduation with your M8 and .....hmmmm....which lenses to use...
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Bob Ross
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My oldest will graduate next year with a degree in Information Systems and Business degree.. my youngest begins his first year next year.

I am thrilled they both are getting a college education. My biggest regret of my entire life is that I did not complete college. At 58, it's too late for me but I could not be happier for my sons.

For those who say "It's never too late".... it's too late for the degree to matter to me because of my age. The business world is not interested in 58 year old graduates... wait, I would be in my sixties... you get the point.

At any rate, I have somethings going that I enjoy and control. Life is good.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com
http://www.boxedlight.com/Leicasonic

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
in Canada where high education is still affordable.
How much does it cost? Will your M8 make a significant difference?
 
No Jim you are right and I didn't check your profile. That's something I never do.

But then again you didn't check mine either. Photography is not a hobby for me as I have been working on turning pro for a little over 4 years. So borrowing all that money on my part was an investment in my future. I should have kept on doing what I was doing for the last 4 years and that was purchasing new equipment with cash.

I screwed up my business plan and that's for sure.

Well good luck in getting your M8.
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Artist Eyes
 
Tim,

I'm probably way off topic (and certainly no reflection on Jim), but...

Actually, many of my freinds would argue that LaSilja does need voice coaching lessons.

Her voice is not a conventionally pleasing voice, but she has dramatic and artistic talent that transcends the limitations of her instrument. Despite the fact that she doesn't have a "beautiful" voice, her art is valid and important.

Sorry Jim for hijacking the thread, but the other threads had me thinking about the usual debate of kunst vs. stimm.

Best regards,

Bob
tashley said:
Then may Fate smile upon you.

Actually cancel that: I hold by my long-term view that giving you a
wonderful camera would be like giving Anja Silja voice coaching
lessons...

Sorry!

Tim
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Well, I still remember the crushing disappointment of having to turn down an acceptance from my dream college for lack of funds nearly 30 years ago.

I spent most of my adult life working hard to make sure my kids won't have the same thing happen to them.

Haven't regretted one moment of it because their happiness is mine -- besides, getting into college is such a terrible meat-grinder these days I feel like they've done their part!

Hey--- maybe an M8 (or M9) will make a fine graduation gift for you when your boy gets his degree!

Congrats on getting them to this point, Jim!

JT
 
Peter Nelson said:
No Jim you are right and I didn't check your profile. That's
something I never do.

But then again you didn't check mine either.
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Actually I did view your profile, months ago. I noticed you did photo-restoration, another pasttime of mine. Just finished doing about 15 restorations from an arctic expedition that took place in 1932. Glass positives.. lots of fun.

The whole borrowing thing and debt is just something I try to avoid at all costs (pardon the pun).. I can remember trying to pay for an airline ticket in Atlanta using a credit card and the woman behind the counter was instructed to retain my card... that's when I realized I had a serious problem. That was back in the early seventies... and that was the last time I had credit card debt.

I guess the reason I want the M8 (aside from the Leica glass and the advantages of the RF system) is that I began my photography experience with a rangefinder.. Argus C3.. paid $20 for it in 1965 at a pawn shop. It was my first 35mm camera and I enjoyed the manual operation very much. So, maybe I am just trying to recapture a bit of my youth as well as using an excellent body and glass.

Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com
http://www.boxedlight.com/Leicasonic

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
MichelBB said:
in Canada where high education is still affordable.
How much does it cost? Will your M8 make a significant difference?
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You live in a beautiful country. I spent the entire summer of 1962 camping across Canada.. before the Trans-Canadian Highway was complete. Started in Old Quebee City and ended up in Victoria. One of the most memorable summers of my life.

Yes, education costs quite a bit in the states. The cost of an M8 and lenses would be a good chunk of tuition money. When it comes to my hobby, I pay cash. I NEVER go into debt for a hobby. Remember, a hobby is something you do for fun, it's not a business.

I'll try to get by with my 5D and L glass for the time being.

At least my D-Lux 3 gives me posting rights here.. even if it is 99% Panasonic. :)
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Jim Radcliffe
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http://www.oceona.com
http://www.boxedlight.com/Leicasonic

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
Jil said:
Well, I still remember the crushing disappointment of having to
turn down an acceptance from my dream college for lack of funds
nearly 30 years ago.

I spent most of my adult life working hard to make sure my kids
won't have the same thing happen to them.
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Amen to that. College is not for everyone but everyone should have the opportunity to give it a shot.
Jil said:
Haven't regretted one moment of it because their happiness is mine
-- besides, getting into college is such a terrible meat-grinder
these days I feel like they've done their part!
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Both of my sons grades were high enough so that they were guaranteed entry to any college in Texas. It's the paying for it that becomes the challenge. Lucky we started saving for these days over 20 years ago.
Jil said:
Hey--- maybe an M8 (or M9) will make a fine graduation gift for
you when your boy gets his degree!
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Yeah, I like the sound of that.
Jil said:
Congrats on getting them to this point, Jim!
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Thanks.. and I told both of them if they so much as thought of trying to work in radio (I was on the air for almost all of my life) that I would kill them. Radio is fun and seductive. You get paid stupid money for working 3 hours a day.. but then, you get old and radio has no need for you. I was lucky. I got out of it before it could spit me out.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com
http://www.boxedlight.com/Leicasonic

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
Ya know Jim ...sometimes there are more important things in life than our "toys" ...................................................................................................................................................................

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however, at this time I can't think of any .....................
 
Jim Radcliffe said:
For those who say "It's never too late".... it's too late for the
degree to matter to me because of my age. The business world is
not interested in 58 year old graduates... wait, I would be in my
sixties... you get the point.

Life is good.
--
Jim Radcliffe
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Oh, it is never too late, but for what? Certainly nothing business wants...:-) When I passed your point in life the company that I was working for decided to reorganize and so I thought it was a good idea for them to pay me for not working. Now, I'm so busy retired that I can't figure out where I found the time to go to work....:-)
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Bob Ross
http://www.pbase.com/rossrtx
 
where did you find a school that only charges $5000 for admission/tuition??
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max
 
Hmm, you think you "failed to achieve" after fighting a war in Southeast Asia? I'm sorry but I think that beats any kid going to college any day of the week. Don't sell yourself short, and don't sacrifice yourself for your kids because in the end, as Cher succinctly put in one of her songs: "we all sleep alone". And, believe me when I tell you this, you will think that your kids will thank you and be grateful, but they may not. But one thing is certain......after all is said and done they WILL appreciate, respect and thank you more if they see you fulfulling your own dreams, as well as helping them with theirs. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it'll be nicer in the long run for you AND them if they see by your example that you feel that YOU are "worth it" as well. K.
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tell him i said hi. i have a phd in cancer biology/pharmacology, and could not wait to get it done to run as far from those chinese hamster ovaries as i could. if he wants to ask me why, i would be more than happy to do some career counceling :)
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koo22 said:
Hmm, you think you "failed to achieve" after fighting a war in
Southeast Asia? I'm sorry but I think that beats any kid going to
college any day of the week. Don't sell yourself short, and don't
sacrifice yourself for your kids because in the end, as Cher
succinctly put in one of her songs: "we all sleep alone".
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Oh, I'm not selling myself short. I have achieved a lot with my limited education, much more than some of my degreed friends. It's the higher education I desire for my sons. It can only help them in life.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com
http://www.boxedlight.com/Leicasonic

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
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