Is there something about Image Stabilization that's hard for Fuji?

I'm considering all kinds of camera options in the near future, and the Fuji F20, S6000fd and S9100 keep coming up as contenders, but with the S6000 and S9100 in particular, the competition pretty much all has image stabilization. In particular, the brand tradeoff for these cameras is that Fuji has all the benefits of the SuperCCD in low-light and high-ISO performance, while Panasonic has lens-based image stabilization but terrible noise issues.
Argh! Why won't Fuji add IS or Panasonic make better sensors!

One might think that IS just adds to much to the price, but Panasonic has it on the DMC-LZ3, a sub $150, 5MP camera (!). How good would the E900, S6000fd or S9100 be with an equivalent design?

Any reason why Fuji can't or won't introduce such a feature, or license it?

Yawn!

Is it time for bed yet?

many feel your pain, it sucks, but there might be a glimmer of hope in PMA07.
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philpoe wrote:
In particular, the brand tradeoff for

philpoe said:

these cameras is that Fuji has all the benefits of the SuperCCD in
low-light and high-ISO performance, while Panasonic has lens-based
image stabilization but terrible noise issues.

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I think you answered your own question, in other words, do you not think if Fuji could add IS and keep their quality of photos taken with their camera, they would have add IS by now? I would rather have Fuji keep going like they are and improving the quality of the photos their cameras can take without IS, if adding IS means lowering the quality of their photos. When Fuji can develop an IS system that will not lower the photo quality, I'm sure they will add IS.
JD

And certainly Fuji has stabilization capabilities in-house, one needs only look at the Fujinon image stabilized binoculars that have been around for a few years.
Clyde

Hi everyone

In s9500 the "B" mode gives great results in that matter, Fuji calls it "Picture Stabilization".

Just read this review of F30. ( http://photo.net/equipment/fuji/f30 )
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If Fuji is not ready to add IS to their cameras it could use faster lenses, I would like so much if the S9100 was f2.0-3.5 instead of 2.8-4.9

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GAREB said:

GAREB said:

these cameras is that Fuji has all the benefits of the SuperCCD in
low-light and high-ISO performance, while Panasonic has lens-based
image stabilization but terrible noise issues.

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I think you answered your own question, in other words, do you not
think if Fuji could add IS and keep their quality of photos taken
with their camera, they would have add IS by now? I would rather
have Fuji keep going like they are and improving the quality of the
photos their cameras can take without IS, if adding IS means
lowering the quality of their photos. When Fuji can develop an IS
system that will not lower the photo quality, I'm sure they will
add IS.
JD

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Sorry I dont buy this at all. So you think they are not adding IS because it lowers the quality of their cameras? How so and please forgive me but the Fuji cameras are not ALL THAT if you know what I mean - they just have a little less noise + a lot more NR (albeit a decent algorithm) - nothing magical about their lenses or anything considering all pro level Nikon and Canon lenses have IS and considering discerning Pro's actually use them instead of the mom and pop's who use a P&S camera.. If IS is good enough for a Pro who uses a $6000 lens and gets their stuff published to millions of viewers - it will be good enough for the average Joe who goes out and buys a $300 F30 or S6000. Why Fuji dont have it no-one besides Fuji knows and I am sure they have their reasons but I am sure it has nothing to do with degradation of IQ - its not a $30,000 Hasselblad, its a $300 P&S camera. Maybe stabilization costs too much for Fuji to implement? Considering their binoculars with IS are top-grade and very expensive I wouldnt be surprised if this is the reason.

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I don't see how a lens-based IS system degrades the quality of picture, but my real question is how can panasonic put an effective, inexpensive lens-based IS system on their cameras and others seem unable to. If the DMC-FZ3 is available for

Canon has lens-based IS, but it's usually a relatively expensive feature. Sensor-shift seems even more expensive (see the

I think that the world would accept a higher price for the Fuji's with OIS. Let's say that's $50 street price, then the S6000fd would still be close in price to the Canon S3 IS and Sony DSC-H5, but offer RAW capability. The new Panasonic DMC-FZ8 would be fierce competition, but has the noise issues, which many might pay the difference to avoid.

The S9100 could compete with the DMC-FZ50 on MP and if the RAW worked out, on resolution. The new Olympus SP 550 UZ has the big lens, but "only" 7MP on a smaller sensor.

GAREB said:

GAREB said:

these cameras is that Fuji has all the benefits of the SuperCCD in
low-light and high-ISO performance, while Panasonic has lens-based
image stabilization but terrible noise issues.

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I think you answered your own question, in other words, do you not
think if Fuji could add IS and keep their quality of photos taken
with their camera, they would have add IS by now? I would rather
have Fuji keep going like they are and improving the quality of the
photos their cameras can take without IS, if adding IS means
lowering the quality of their photos. When Fuji can develop an IS
system that will not lower the photo quality, I'm sure they will
add IS.
JD

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GAREB said:

I think you answered your own question, in other words, do you not
think if Fuji could add IS and keep their quality of photos taken
with their camera, they would have add IS by now? I would rather
have Fuji keep going like they are and improving the quality of the
photos their cameras can take without IS, if adding IS means
lowering the quality of their photos. When Fuji can develop an IS
system that will not lower the photo quality, I'm sure they will
add IS.

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IS helps image quality by improving sharpness of still subjects. It does nothing bad to image quality.

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I was only guessing,just look at the quality of photos from cameras with IS, if you like that quality then but one of those cameras. But it is foolish to think Fuji cab do this and they are not, Fuji would have been bankrupted a long time ago if they make business decisions like this. That would be idiotic but for the company not to do this when they can just as much as it is to believe that the company can do this. I should have known better to even say anything to this post to begin with. Not once have I ever said in any post that what I say was fact or true, just my opinion and nothing more, like 95% of the posts here. This is just getting silly.
JD

philpoe said:

philpoe wrote:
I'm considering all kinds of camera options in the near future, and
the Fuji F20, S6000fd and S9100 keep coming up as contenders, but
with the S6000 and S9100 in particular, the competition pretty much
all has image stabilization.

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All viable methods of stabilizing the CCD have been done and patented and Fuji would have to buy the technology from someone else?

philpoe said:

In particular, the brand tradeoff for
these cameras is that Fuji has all the benefits of the SuperCCD in
low-light and high-ISO performance, while Panasonic has lens-based
image stabilization but terrible noise issues.
Argh! Why won't Fuji add IS or Panasonic make better sensors!

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Well, Fuji is the only brand to have 28-300 lens in a camera, the other brands (Canon, Sony, Panasonic) have IS but they don't have a 28-300 lens. Except Panasonic does have 28mm equivalent wide angle with IS in some of the pocket cameras.

philpoe said:

Any reason why Fuji can't or won't introduce such a feature, or
license it?

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Cost? I would love to see a 28-300 camera with manual controls and IS.

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That as soon as Sony bought KM (and its AS system), all the Sony CCD based cams have an Antishake option regardless of maker - even OLY have finally fallen in line.. Nikon's S10 doesn't actually use proper nikon VR (lens IS) it uses the Sony/KM AS system and I guess that Canon's tiny ixus models with "IS" aren't really IS (as in lens IS as in the S3IS etc) but again the KM AS system.. Pan wormed their away around Canon's lens IS patent much the same as Nikon and Sigma have (How?, who knows) so they're OK

Fuji have no Lens IS tech (they don't even make the lenses on some cams like the S6500/9x00) and as they don't use Sony CCDs anymore in cams which NEED IS (the only 10X+ Fuji with a Sony CCD was the exellent S5500) , no access to the CCD AS system so unless they start using Canon / Pan lenses or sell their CCDs to other makers (PAN Need them Desperately!) you won't see a Fuji SuperCCD with IS in the same compact camera as it would seem that Sony aren't willing to sell the AS Platform in its own.

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Adam-T said:

That as soon as Sony bought KM (and its AS system), all the Sony
CCD based cams have an Antishake option regardless of maker - even
OLY have finally fallen in line.. Nikon's S10 doesn't actually use
proper nikon VR (lens IS) it uses the Sony/KM AS system and I guess
that Canon's tiny ixus models with "IS" aren't really IS (as in
lens IS as in the S3IS etc) but again the KM AS system.. Pan wormed
their away around Canon's lens IS patent much the same as Nikon and
Sigma have (How?, who knows) so they're OK

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Where did you get that information?

Senser and CCD shift are two entirely different technologies and it doesn't seem to make sense to automatically package the two together, if indeed Sony did so, but there has been nothing in the news stream giving any hint of this.

Canon IS is lens based, just like the Pany OIS and the Nikon VR. Besides buying aomeone else's patent, there is something called reverse engineering on which the R&D departments are good at.

Pentax has their own version of CCD shift technology, which is not licensed from Sony/KM as far as I know, and the new Casio and Oly CCD shift technologies are not known to be licensed from Sony.

Adam-T said:

Fuji have no Lens IS tech (they don't even make the lenses on some
cams like the S6500/9x00) and as they don't use Sony CCDs anymore
in cams which NEED IS (the only 10X+ Fuji with a Sony CCD was the
exellent S5500) , no access to the CCD AS system so unless they
start using Canon / Pan lenses or sell their CCDs to other makers
(PAN Need them Desperately!) you won't see a Fuji SuperCCD with IS
in the same compact camera as it would seem that Sony aren't
willing to sell the AS Platform in its own.

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Check this thread for evidence that Fuji does have the capability to implement lens based IS.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&thread=22099106

Adam-T said:

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