War is Hell !!!

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Karen
It saddens me how our government react to the terrorism. Everyday,
I watch criminals get caught or accused of criminal action. Am I
angry about this? Sure. Do I judge them at the spot? No. I let it
the jury decides that, then I will scorn them for their actions. It
frightens me to see how we quickly point finger and attack a
nation, and then after killing innocent civilians that we suddenly
come up with evidences 'found' in the rubble of destroyed houses to
justify this action?

It's not the war itself that I am concerned about, it's how we
handle situation, it's how decision is made, it's how we use our
power, our might. No state or kingdom in history ever stand
forever. They all have downfall, even after hundreds of years or
thousand of year. And it all began by a single mistake in handling
situation and decision making. Let's not forget those who forget
history are condemned to repeat it. I just hope our country is
making the right decision.
Well said Karen.
--3020.2100Victor T
 
And you also exposed yourself Fled.
You just told more about yourself and your backward bigoted belief
system than you can possibly imagine. :)

Fled
As for "fellow human beings", those retards over in Afghanistan are
NOT my fellow human beings, they are FAR from it. Maybe yours,
maybe you are from India and that's why you are SO protective about
this subject. If so, that's your problem, if not, then you STILL
have a problem. How did you feel when the WTCs collapsed? I saw it
from work. I work in NJ on the 12th floor of a building and I
could see it all from here. For what they did, whether it was
actually the people that we are killing or not, THEY DESERVE to
die. That's the bottom line, take it or leave it.
BTW, I'm neither with or against you. I support our troops and the
military actions we are taking 100%; however, the callous attitude
you and others here have displayed regarding the death of enemy
soldiers (and fellow human beings) repulses me.

Fled
GO USA!!!!!!
D*mn right...go USA! You're either with us or you're against us.
Like I said... there is a BIG difference between supporting our
armed forces, and cheering the death of the enemy. I'm very sorry
that you and others here have such a callous attitude toward life,
death, and war.

Fled
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
 
Ron,

Again... let me make this simple:

I fully support our war effort in Afganastan.

The fact that the Talaban was responsible for the WTC attack does not make every Talaban soldier a terrible monster that deserves to be blown to bits. However, the fact that they are the enemy does indeed justify our troops killing them under the normal rules of war (in my mind anyway).

The problem I have is the callous attitude that so many here have displayed toward the death of fellow human beings. You (and others) can try all day (and night) to justify that attitude with your sad little revenge excuses, but the fact is, you are cheering the death of another human being. In my mind, seeing someone die, no matter how much I feel they may deserve to die, is a very somber experience, and very much unlike watching my favorite football team score a winning touchdown.

Fled
I'm certain that people aren't cheering for the death of others as
much as they are for what it represents. Seeing what appeared to
be the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks meet their maker gave me
feelings of satisfaction, it was seeing justice being served up
close and personal. So yes, woo hoo!!! In my opinion, killing
those responsible for 9/11 is letting them off easy compared to the
punishment they deserve.

I'm sorry if you weren't rewarded with those same feelings when you
viewed this. I'm equally sorry that you consider terrorists human
beings. Perhaps one day when they commit an act that affects you
the way many people were affected on 9/11 you'll share my opinon.
grin Well, I hope at the very least that somone other than you is
responsible for teaching him writing skills.

BTW, I'm neither with or against you. I support our troops and the
military actions we are taking 100%; however, the callous attitude
you and others here have displayed regarding the death of enemy
soldiers (and fellow human beings) repulses me.
--
c700 uz, c2100 uz, fuji mx500
http://www.pbase.com/rflowers/my_favorites
 
LOL... Good! I'm certainly not ashamed of my belief structure.

Fled
You just told more about yourself and your backward bigoted belief
system than you can possibly imagine. :)

Fled
As for "fellow human beings", those retards over in Afghanistan are
NOT my fellow human beings, they are FAR from it. Maybe yours,
maybe you are from India and that's why you are SO protective about
this subject. If so, that's your problem, if not, then you STILL
have a problem. How did you feel when the WTCs collapsed? I saw it
from work. I work in NJ on the 12th floor of a building and I
could see it all from here. For what they did, whether it was
actually the people that we are killing or not, THEY DESERVE to
die. That's the bottom line, take it or leave it.
BTW, I'm neither with or against you. I support our troops and the
military actions we are taking 100%; however, the callous attitude
you and others here have displayed regarding the death of enemy
soldiers (and fellow human beings) repulses me.

Fled
GO USA!!!!!!
D*mn right...go USA! You're either with us or you're against us.
Like I said... there is a BIG difference between supporting our
armed forces, and cheering the death of the enemy. I'm very sorry
that you and others here have such a callous attitude toward life,
death, and war.

Fled
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
 
You ought to be!
Fled
You just told more about yourself and your backward bigoted belief
system than you can possibly imagine. :)

Fled
As for "fellow human beings", those retards over in Afghanistan are
NOT my fellow human beings, they are FAR from it. Maybe yours,
maybe you are from India and that's why you are SO protective about
this subject. If so, that's your problem, if not, then you STILL
have a problem. How did you feel when the WTCs collapsed? I saw it
from work. I work in NJ on the 12th floor of a building and I
could see it all from here. For what they did, whether it was
actually the people that we are killing or not, THEY DESERVE to
die. That's the bottom line, take it or leave it.
BTW, I'm neither with or against you. I support our troops and the
military actions we are taking 100%; however, the callous attitude
you and others here have displayed regarding the death of enemy
soldiers (and fellow human beings) repulses me.

Fled
GO USA!!!!!!
D*mn right...go USA! You're either with us or you're against us.
Like I said... there is a BIG difference between supporting our
armed forces, and cheering the death of the enemy. I'm very sorry
that you and others here have such a callous attitude toward life,
death, and war.

Fled
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
 
Yes everyone... step right up and see the amazing bigot! They do exist!
I never said you lived in the US. When I said if YOU don't like
it, I meant anyone in general. As for me being able to distiguish
right from wrong, wrong=crashing a plane into a building that has
EASILY 20,000 people working in them. right=paying back for what
is wrong. The old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right, so
make one of the wrongs into a right..... As for me only watching
my media, well, I live in the US, why would I watch any OTHER
media? Plus, I wasn't even talking about the stupid people on
OTHER countryies cheering, I was talking about the retards FROM
other countries that live here in the US that were cheering... I
honestly could give a cr*p about you feeling sorry for me.... I had
no connection with anyone in the WTC, and I STILL think the way I
do, imagine how someone feels who had a loved one who worked there
and had their life taken from the ****** with the towel on his head
who crashed the plane? Imagine how the people felt IN the plane
(the Americans) who did not know what was going on? Imagine how you
would feel if someone killed your loved one? Then see if you still
feel the same way. Since you do not live here, OF COURSE you feel
the way you do, THAT'S your perrogative(spell check) and I think
your opinion SUCKS... but like I said, that's your opinion. My
opinion is my opinion, take it or shove it.

--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
 
Ought to be ashamed for placing a high value on human life??? Surely you're kidding.

Fled
Fled
You just told more about yourself and your backward bigoted belief
system than you can possibly imagine. :)

Fled
As for "fellow human beings", those retards over in Afghanistan are
NOT my fellow human beings, they are FAR from it. Maybe yours,
maybe you are from India and that's why you are SO protective about
this subject. If so, that's your problem, if not, then you STILL
have a problem. How did you feel when the WTCs collapsed? I saw it
from work. I work in NJ on the 12th floor of a building and I
could see it all from here. For what they did, whether it was
actually the people that we are killing or not, THEY DESERVE to
die. That's the bottom line, take it or leave it.
BTW, I'm neither with or against you. I support our troops and the
military actions we are taking 100%; however, the callous attitude
you and others here have displayed regarding the death of enemy
soldiers (and fellow human beings) repulses me.

Fled
GO USA!!!!!!
D*mn right...go USA! You're either with us or you're against us.
Like I said... there is a BIG difference between supporting our
armed forces, and cheering the death of the enemy. I'm very sorry
that you and others here have such a callous attitude toward life,
death, and war.

Fled
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
--
I am the Great I am

Mephy
 
To think that its come to this. People celebrating the death of other human beings. Is there no hope?

First
Go compassion
Go understanding
Go tolerance

Sounds better then GO USA
 
Alistair wrote:
To think that its come to this. People celebrating the death of
other human beings. Is there no hope?
We are not celebating the death of other beings. Our nation was attacked, we grieve the loss of 3000 innicent lives. Nothing will bring them back but seeing justice done in the form of eliminating any future threat helps people cope in these difficult times.
First
Go compassion
We have no compassion for these eveil doers...
Go understanding
We do not understand nor choose to understand why they did what they did. It goes beyond understanding. More inline with senseless.
Go tolerance
We will not tolerate this evil. We should not tolerate the Talibans actions against our country and there own people.

Certain acts such as the attack on Sept 11 do not deserve compassion, understanding or tolerance.
Sounds better then GO USA
After what our nation went through it it very fitiing to want to say Go USA. Go USA against terror...Go USA against living in fear...Go USA against Osama Bin Laden and his band of thugs...

Go USA for freedom...

Bob-- http://www.pbase.com/mofongo People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Neither should they nail up pictures.
 
I understand that this thread is passionated and i don't intend to be rude to anybody but anyhow this is a photographic site.

I guess i watched too much the "x-files" but looking at this these pictures i can't help asking myself if there were not modified. Not all of them of course but pictures 7 and 8. Indeed, (i) why most of the objects flying in these two pictures are human bodies? (ii) why don't we see bodies lying on the ground in fig 13 and 14? (iii) the last one is more subjective but if you compare objects in fig 7 and 8 it look like the "thing" in the top left corner has not moved but the bodies did.

Once again, i don't want to hurt any feelings and i understand that people are dying in Afganistan, but that would not be the first fake picture in the history of wars, and i'm a little surprise that nobody ask the same question.
Pascal
 
One less to go...
As in my first post in this thread toward top. I believe the photos
are a part of (human) history and should not be hidden. I also
believe they should not be glorified.
Glamour / Nude / Bikini pictures - Please do not embed such images
in your messages, while we understand that such pictures
(tastefully shot) are a big part of commercial photography we do
have a worldwide audience and wide range of paying advertisers. If
you wish to bring a gallery of such images to peoples attention
then please just post a link.

But it's OK to show dead people

40 and counting.
----S. http://www.armscontrol.ru/photo/
 
How many of those HUMAN BEINGS in that exploding vehicle ever knew of WTC-towers? Propably they have done nothing against USA.

I will never defend the evildoers. Those men in he vehicle were innocent until proven guilty. There were also american young men among the talibans. According to your logic, all americans should be killed. My opininion is, dont hurt the innocent, some of the US citizen might be innocent, too.

Pertti
Go understanding
We do not understand nor choose to understand why they did what
they did. It goes beyond understanding. More inline with senseless.
Go tolerance
We will not tolerate this evil. We should not tolerate the Talibans
actions against our country and there own people.

Certain acts such as the attack on Sept 11 do not deserve
compassion, understanding or tolerance.
---- Pertti
 
Driving around in an armored personnel carrier with loaded rifles doesn't look to innocent to me. What were they looking for, American soldiers to shoot? Or were they out looking for some big rabbits for supper?

The only American among the Talibans fighting on their side that I know of was that Walker guy and he's going to be tried for possibly Treason!!!

If you have a loaded gun fighting against America your not an innocent civilian.
How many of those HUMAN BEINGS in that exploding vehicle ever knew
of WTC-towers? Propably they have done nothing against USA.

I will never defend the evildoers. Those men in he vehicle were
innocent until proven guilty. There were also american young men
among the talibans. According to your logic, all americans should
be killed. My opininion is, dont hurt the innocent, some of the US
citizen might be innocent, too.

Pertti
-- http://www.angelfire.com/ar/thecameranutjwb/MSGT Jimmie Burton USAF (RETIRED)Oly 2100UZ B300, C-180, C-210 & +1+2+4 Closup lensEpson 750Z & Tiffen 2X with adapters for above lensKodak 215 (Wifes)
 
There were NO american's fighting alongside the taliban. There is no such thing as an "american" taliban. Walker and his attorny should be deported or hung in my opinion.
I will never defend the evildoers. Those men in he vehicle were
innocent until proven guilty. There were also american young men
among the talibans. According to your logic, all americans should
be killed. My opininion is, dont hurt the innocent, some of the US
citizen might be innocent, too.

Pertti
Go understanding
We do not understand nor choose to understand why they did what
they did. It goes beyond understanding. More inline with senseless.
Go tolerance
We will not tolerate this evil. We should not tolerate the Talibans
actions against our country and there own people.

Certain acts such as the attack on Sept 11 do not deserve
compassion, understanding or tolerance.
--
-- Pertti
--c700 uz, c2100 uz, fuji mx500 http://www.pbase.com/rflowers/my_favorites
 
I'm sorry Timbo... You've completely lost me. Are we talking about
the death penalty now?

Here, let me keep it simple for you:

Fighting for one's country, cheering one's troops, defending one's
freedom - GOOD.

Cheering enemy soldiers dying like it's a football game - BAD.

I honestly don't know where all that murder/victim/gang stuff you
mentioned came from, but for the record, I am very much opposed to
the death penalty - Just nt (I'm quite certain) for the reasons you
probably think I am.

Fled
Was that your best shot? Try responding to the post directly, and if you genuinely find yourself incapable of answering, try for ONCE, just for ONCE to admit that you have come up short instead of resorting to half-clever insults ("I'll keep it simple for you", "I hope someone else will be teaching your kids writing skills", etc.).

I know you are just running and ducking in your posts because you have little to say, your little quiver long spent. You probably had intended to show how bright and superior you were when you posted in this thread, but the result has been to show how bankrupt and shallow your "ideas" are and what an insincere coward you are. Congratulations.
 
LOL... what the hell are you talking about???

I'll spell it out slowly for you...

F-i-g-h-t-i-n-g f-o-r o-n-e-'s c-o-u-n-t-r-y, c-h-e-e-r-i-n-g o-n-e-'s t-r-o-o-p-s, d-e-f-e-n-d-i-n-g o-n-e-'s f-r-e-e-d-o-m - G-O-O-D.

C-h-e-e-r-i-n-g e-n-e-m-y s-o-l-d-i-e-r-s d-y-i-n-g l-i-k-e i-t-'s a f-o-o-t-b-a-l-l g-a-m-e - B-A-D.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject in the simplest terms I can think of. What specific part of the above comments do you not understand?

Fled

P.S. - I admit I'm ducking the death penalty issues you seemed to have raised, as I honestly have no idea where those comments came from, and I don't really want to get into that debate.
I'm sorry Timbo... You've completely lost me. Are we talking about
the death penalty now?

Here, let me keep it simple for you:

Fighting for one's country, cheering one's troops, defending one's
freedom - GOOD.

Cheering enemy soldiers dying like it's a football game - BAD.

I honestly don't know where all that murder/victim/gang stuff you
mentioned came from, but for the record, I am very much opposed to
the death penalty - Just nt (I'm quite certain) for the reasons you
probably think I am.

Fled
Was that your best shot? Try responding to the post directly, and
if you genuinely find yourself incapable of answering, try for
ONCE, just for ONCE to admit that you have come up short instead of
resorting to half-clever insults ("I'll keep it simple for you", "I
hope someone else will be teaching your kids writing skills", etc.).

I know you are just running and ducking in your posts because you
have little to say, your little quiver long spent. You probably had
intended to show how bright and superior you were when you posted
in this thread, but the result has been to show how bankrupt and
shallow your "ideas" are and what an insincere coward you are.
Congratulations.
 
LOL Your logic kills me! They're defending their country.

If our our government did something horrible to another country... something you didn't agree with, and that other country attacked the U.S., would you fight to defend our country?

Yes or No?

That is exactly what's happening over in Afganastan.

For the record (again) - I support the war effort and our troops 100%, but I also understand the feelings the Talibans have toward defending their country - regardless of how they came to be in power there.

Fled
The only American among the Talibans fighting on their side that I
know of was that Walker guy and he's going to be tried for possibly
Treason!!!

If you have a loaded gun fighting against America your not an
innocent civilian.
How many of those HUMAN BEINGS in that exploding vehicle ever knew
of WTC-towers? Propably they have done nothing against USA.

I will never defend the evildoers. Those men in he vehicle were
innocent until proven guilty. There were also american young men
among the talibans. According to your logic, all americans should
be killed. My opininion is, dont hurt the innocent, some of the US
citizen might be innocent, too.

Pertti
--
http://www.angelfire.com/ar/thecameranutjwb/

MSGT Jimmie Burton USAF (RETIRED)
Oly 2100UZ B300, C-180, C-210 & +1+2+4 Closup lens
Epson 750Z & Tiffen 2X with adapters for above lens
Kodak 215 (Wifes)
 

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