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Confirmed D60 to replace D30 at PMA
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Michael Martin
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Powder2glass
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It doesn't hurt that the D1 was a much easier compare but I do agree with your conclusions. They will use what they learned from the D30 to make some reasoned tradeoffs. They have the advantage of a much stronger base to start from which equates to less time fix things and more time to intergate new things well and improve other things.
Canon hasn't done a siginificant amount of spec hype to date so I expect their specs will be honest other than things that are within rounding i.e. 5.6mp vs 6mp.
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Canon hasn't done a siginificant amount of spec hype to date so I expect their specs will be honest other than things that are within rounding i.e. 5.6mp vs 6mp.
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Mark B.
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It could be USB 2.0, which apparently is faster. From what I've been reading, the next generation USB is 480mbps while firewire is 400mbps.
Mark
Jan Brittenson
Leading Member
Canon already uses two sensors in the 1D. It looks like they've already mastered binning on a production scale.
Trenton
Forum Enthusiast
for all the info guys.
So... a bigger sized sensor (physical dimensions) is not necessarily better, right? It's the pixel size that has to be bigger as well?
And... the smaller the pixel size, the more noise? But smaller pixels let companies claim a higer resolution?
So... a bigger sized sensor (physical dimensions) is not necessarily better, right? It's the pixel size that has to be bigger as well?
And... the smaller the pixel size, the more noise? But smaller pixels let companies claim a higer resolution?
Brian Hansen
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Unfortunately I can't afford to keep a $2000 camera as a backup.
What I will do is keep the D30 for a year - I love the camera - wait
for the price to come down on the D60, then upgrade. I'm sure I
will take a big hit on the D30 at that time but it will keep the anxiety
level low and I still have the use of a wonderful, although not perfect
camera in the mean time.
That's it - I'm done reading posts about this subject - only adds
to the ulcer factor (^:
Brian
What I will do is keep the D30 for a year - I love the camera - wait
for the price to come down on the D60, then upgrade. I'm sure I
will take a big hit on the D30 at that time but it will keep the anxiety
level low and I still have the use of a wonderful, although not perfect
camera in the mean time.
That's it - I'm done reading posts about this subject - only adds
to the ulcer factor (^:
Brian
jcwphoto
Leading Member
I'd guess that there's a large percentage of D30 users who have never touched film (myself included, unless you count the family P&S camera I used in 6th grade). And going to film now would require climbing up another learning curve, much the same way many film users had to when going digital.
But boy, selling your D30 now - that's quite a move.
--jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net Michael Hanson
Active member
Canoga Camera has sold out of D30's and the following message is posted on the D30 ordering page:
Sold Out! New models and promotions are expected to be announced Late February.
http://www.canogacameras.com/e/env/0001-929901-1642502092-28217507-7681-2G2i7/index.html?link=%2e%2e/info_pages/cam_info.html&item=invnew:52492
I just bought my D30 from Canoga yesterday so this must have been posted today. My order must have been one of the last fulfilled, because my order shipped today... I feel very lucky that I got one of the last D30's from Canoga...
I know the D60 is about to be announced, but the D30 is a fine camera and I look forward to having it in my hands real soon. It is time to start saving for some more lenses!
Sold Out! New models and promotions are expected to be announced Late February.
http://www.canogacameras.com/e/env/0001-929901-1642502092-28217507-7681-2G2i7/index.html?link=%2e%2e/info_pages/cam_info.html&item=invnew:52492
I just bought my D30 from Canoga yesterday so this must have been posted today. My order must have been one of the last fulfilled, because my order shipped today... I feel very lucky that I got one of the last D30's from Canoga...
I know the D60 is about to be announced, but the D30 is a fine camera and I look forward to having it in my hands real soon. It is time to start saving for some more lenses!
Al Goldis
Senior Member
No, it's just one sensor. The readout is done by two different controllers to improve speed.
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Matt Kim
Guest
Actually, if I ONLY used the D30 for viewing on the screen, I
would hold on to it, but I print 13X19 prints from my Epson 1280
and at that size it is only OK. It's no match from a good medium
format print or even a print from a 6MP Kodak 760. Interpolation
with a D30 print is fine for macro work, but for any landscapes
with grass or small bushes, or worse yet, a portrait with lots
of hair, it falls on it's face. This is my reason for wanting an
upgrade. I've printed 90 meg scans of large format transparencies
on my 1280, so I know it's not the printer that is not up to the
task.
Matt
would hold on to it, but I print 13X19 prints from my Epson 1280
and at that size it is only OK. It's no match from a good medium
format print or even a print from a 6MP Kodak 760. Interpolation
with a D30 print is fine for macro work, but for any landscapes
with grass or small bushes, or worse yet, a portrait with lots
of hair, it falls on it's face. This is my reason for wanting an
upgrade. I've printed 90 meg scans of large format transparencies
on my 1280, so I know it's not the printer that is not up to the
task.
Matt
Al Goldis
Senior Member
I was getting accustomed to Canon hosing its users but if that's the case, then they would be hosing themselves just as much.
Powder2glass
Well-known member
Maybe they hope to beat their stated goal? I'd rather they spend a little more time at the end tuning IQ either is fine with me
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Matt Kim
Guest
Jesus Christ you whine alot! Every post I've read from you since
I've joined this board this board over 1 year ago has been
the same thing, whine whine whine! Go buy Nikon.
Matt
I've joined this board this board over 1 year ago has been
the same thing, whine whine whine! Go buy Nikon.
Matt
I was getting accustomed to Canon hosing its users but if that's
the case, then they would be hosing themselves just as much.
Al Goldis
Senior Member
Lighten up, Francis.
Matt
I was getting accustomed to Canon hosing its users but if that's
the case, then they would be hosing themselves just as much.
Andrew Grant27981
Senior Member
I suspect that in a year a used D30 will not be a $2000 camera. It will probably be closer to a $1000 camera which is not much more expensive than Matt's G2 or an EOS 3.
For me, a consumer digicam or a film camera is not an acceptable backup. Consumer digicams are too expensive for thier performance and a film camera would require the purchase of a scanner ($1000-$1600) plus the film camera itself ($250-$2000).
Acutally, I plan to hold out on a new body while I complete my lens collection (16-35 on order, 100/2.8 macro and 300/4 IS planned).
Trenton
Forum Enthusiast
a good lens resolving around 100lines/mm. If a
Are you talking specifically about 35mm lenses? Or do the same figures hold true for MF lenses. Is this why you can use Contax medium format lenses on their new 35mm DSLR? More resolving power?
JCDoss
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If you're using 100lp/mm as a goal, I think the maximum pixel size to reach that goal would be around 5um square. Even if the sensor in the "D60" stays the same size, 6MP would require that pixels measure 7um square. This would be something like a 30MP full frame (24x36) sensor, if you added it all up. So, there's room to wiggle.
OTOH, I'm with you. I'd ultimately prefer a 6-10MP output assuming that was a noiseless output. Most of us are doing fine with 3MP!
JCDoss
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stripes
Guest
New Rebel's are $200ish, the ELAN 7 is $500ish. Will you make it back if you sell the D30 now before the price falls? Maybe, if you don't spend too much on film and processing in the next few months.
Will you want a D60 when it comes out? Who knows, there are as many things they could screw up as get right. (my guess is that it is better on the whole, but there may be specific things it won't do as well, maybe high ISO if they don't make the sensor larger, or if the sensor is larger you don't get a "free teleconverter", or...so depending on what you like about the D30 you might not like the D60 more...)
The safest thing is to hang onto the D30, since you know the maximum cost of that (approx the current resale value of hte D30 -- assuming the D60 makes it's resale drop to zero, likely more like half that though), and you won't be "stuck" buying back a D30 if the D60 doesn't meet your needs, nor will you be without a DSLR if the D60 takes longer to get to market then expected.
The biggest potential payoff is to sell now though.
For me, I would rather have another few months with my D30 then the extra money. In fact depending on how the D60 is I may rather have years... (but I expect the D60 would actually be better then the D30 for most D30 users, including me)
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Lin Evans
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It "might" be a nightmare, but it's been done more than once. Kodak did it in 1995 with the 6 megapixel DCS-460, etc.
Lin-- http://204.42.233.244
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