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Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
 
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
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My understanding is that the 10X zoom lens which was designed by
Canon (Olympus c2100, E100RS, and the Canon Pro90) and the
subsequent 10X zoom on the C-700 have small circles of definition
at the sensor. Therefore the sensors cannot grow in size with that
particular lens design. This is the reason the Canon only uses
part of it's 3MP sensor.

If a 10X lens is designed for a larger sensor, it will have to be larger
in size/diameter. I personally would be happy with a larger camera
than even the c2100 if it really did the job. The only way it can end up
as small as the C-700 is if the sensor is comparably small to that 2MP
sensor and then you have the possibility of bad noise problems.

I don't think it's a marketing issue -- the technology has its limitations.

Darrell
 
Bill bryant said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.
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It is impossible to make small 10x zoom lens, that is why cameras with 10x are not very compact.

You may check out Sony Cybershot 707, if I remember right it has 10x optical zoom Zeiss lens and has 5 megapixel sensor. As Phil says, it beats Oly E20 and Coolpix 5000 in resolution.

Ahto
 
Ahto Tanner said:
Member said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.
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It is impossible to make small 10x zoom lens, that is why cameras
with 10x are not very compact.

You may check out Sony Cybershot 707, if I remember right it has
10x optical zoom Zeiss lens and has 5 megapixel sensor. As Phil
says, it beats Oly E20 and Coolpix 5000 in resolution.
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That is not correct - it has a 5x optical (+2 digital) zoom.
--Misha
 
BillB2002,

Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's replacement as well.

Harry
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
--Harry
 
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
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I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
 
Actually, I'd prefer a successor to the E-100RS with probably only 2.1 mb pixels (or dare I say, 3 mb pixels?). That would be more practical to capture sports images with reasonable resolution.

Harry
Jeffrey Haber said:
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
Click to expand...
I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even
though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x
optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is
introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at
least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is
something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think
the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high
quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI
takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
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--Harry
 
I am with you there Harry but what we actually need is a combination of the E-20 and E-100rs with the Focus speed, optical veiwfinder.4 to 5 Megapixels, Image stablized lens, and a big buffer with lighting fast write speeds. If I could get that then I would stop looking because that would be everything in a digital camera I wanted.

Jason
harry said:
Harry
Jeffrey Haber said:
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
Click to expand...
I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even
though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x
optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is
introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at
least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is
something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think
the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high
quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI
takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
Click to expand...
--
Harry
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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Minolta Dimage 7 has about 7 x optical at 5,2 mp. If you crop down to 4 mp, I think you are quite close to 10 x. Maths is not my strong point. I am shure someone clever with a calculator can work this out: How many mp can you have at 10 x zoom with Dimage 7? And you can buy it now. In addition you get uniqe real wide angle at 28 mm!

Ottar
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
harry said:
Harry
Jeffrey Haber said:
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
Click to expand...
I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even
though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x
optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is
introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at
least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is
something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think
the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high
quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI
takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
Click to expand...
--
Harry
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--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
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--Ottar Johansen [email protected]:hjem.sol.no/~otjohansphone: 37038375
 
Ottar, I am not really going to get in this one but if you read my recent posts in the Minolta forum you will see I looked at the D7 and what I thought. The autofocus speed is no where near what the E-100rs, E-10, or E-20 is for that matter and that is one of my requriements. Write speed is also slow in the 7. Again I suggest you read my post and opinion in the forum itself. I am going to leave a dead horse lay here.

Jason
Ottar Johansen said:
Ottar
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
harry said:
Harry
Jeffrey Haber said:
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
Click to expand...
I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even
though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x
optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is
introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at
least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is
something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think
the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high
quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI
takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
Click to expand...
--
Harry
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--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
Click to expand...
--
Ottar Johansen
[email protected]
http:hjem.sol.no/ otjohans
phone: 37038375
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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
7x???? The Olympuses are 38-380mm. The Minolta is 28-200. Ya gotta compare apples to apples here. The max zoom on the Dimage is about the same as the F707 (190mm), but the Sony has much better glass. The Minolta does have the 28mm wide angle which is nice, but I tend to shoot zoomed shots over wide angle 10-1.
Ottar Johansen said:
Ottar
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
harry said:
Harry
Jeffrey Haber said:
harry said:
Hold on to your wallet, if you have not purchased the C-700. Over
the weekend, there's a universal drop in price of C-700. Used to
be $599, but now at $499, with a free 64 mb Smartmedia mail-in
freebie. With the 2100UZ fading away, now C-700, the stage is set
for either successor to come to the market soon. If Minolta could
make a 7x for a 5 mb sensor, no doubt Olympus would be able to do
it for a 4 mb at 10x. Look out for possible Canon Pro90's
replacement as well.
Click to expand...
I don't feel badly that I spent $500 to buy the Olympus 2100 even
though it may soon be superceded. When a 3, 4, or 5 megapixel 10x
optical zoom camera with mechanical image stabilization is
introduced onto the market (if ever), it will probably cost at
least $1000-$1200.

The fact that any successor will be much more expensive is
something to consider--is it worth the wait and expense? I think
the 10x optical zoom with mechanical image stabilization and a high
quality Canon lens is a good deal for $500, especially when the UZI
takes nice, sharp photos, even if they are only 2 megapixels.
Click to expand...
--
Harry
Click to expand...
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
Click to expand...
--
Ottar Johansen
[email protected]
http:hjem.sol.no/ otjohans
phone: 37038375
Click to expand...
 
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Personally, I'd would like to see a camera on the E-20 body with Canon's CMOS sensor in 4 to 4.25 MP size and fitted with a weather proofed fixed Canon IS Lens of 28-200 along with great AF and the D30 electronics.
 
Whats interesting is the E-100rs, 2100uzi, and Canon pro 90 Is all share the same lens.

Jason
Pops said:
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Personally, I'd would like to see a camera on the E-20 body with
Canon's CMOS sensor in 4 to 4.25 MP size and fitted with a weather
proofed fixed Canon IS Lens of 28-200 along with great AF and the
D30 electronics.
Click to expand...
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Hi Jason,
I read way back that you were going to put your 300Tcon on the E-100
to test anything further on this? I read somewhere maybe at the Belgium
Digital site that the B300 works with 300Tcon as well, is this correct?
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
Pops said:
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Personally, I'd would like to see a camera on the E-20 body with
Canon's CMOS sensor in 4 to 4.25 MP size and fitted with a weather
proofed fixed Canon IS Lens of 28-200 along with great AF and the
D30 electronics.
Click to expand...
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
Click to expand...
 
Yes this is correct. I got to get off my butt and make a support for the T-con 300s. I did already get the step up ring from 49 to 62mm so that part works. I think it might have been my post about the B-300 Tcon-300working together but it could have been Jaja's He really would have no reason to own the B-300 but I do because I own the E-100 as well as the E-20. Again I will try to get off my butt the next couple of days and design something and make it and then post.
Pops said:
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
Pops said:
BillB2002 said:
Has anyone heard any reports of a 4mp semicompact on the horizon
that has a 10x optical lense? I would buy the Olympus C-700 today
except it is only 2mp, but I love the size and the 10x optical.

Is the fact that all of the 3-5mp seem to be limited to a 3x
optical just marketing 101? i.e save the bells and whistles for
later models? Or is there some techincal limitation that may
result in a long wait for these.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Personally, I'd would like to see a camera on the E-20 body with
Canon's CMOS sensor in 4 to 4.25 MP size and fitted with a weather
proofed fixed Canon IS Lens of 28-200 along with great AF and the
D30 electronics.
Click to expand...
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Right Brian, 50mm is considered 1 power in most cameras therefore the UZI has about 7.6 power and the Minolta is only 4 power at full zoom.
Brian said:
7x???? The Olympuses are 38-380mm. The Minolta is 28-200. Ya
gotta compare apples to apples here. The max zoom on the Dimage is
about the same as the F707 (190mm), but the Sony has much better
glass. The Minolta does have the 28mm wide angle which is nice,
but I tend to shoot zoomed shots over wide angle 10-1.
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-- http://www.angelfire.com/ar/thecameranutjwb/MSGT Jimmie Burton USAF (RETIRED)Oly 2100UZ B300, C-180, C-210 & +1+2+4 Closup lensEpson 750Z & Tiffen 2X with adapters for above lensKodak 215 (Wifes)
 
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