K10 hands on review PART 1

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Hi all, I picked the K10, a K100 and all the pancakes up from Richard on Monday and had around a day and a half to play with them all. Shot around 400 frames on the K10 under a lot of quite difficult situations (high DR, into the sun, low light etc). I am not allowed to post any shots, but I can tell you about my impressions.
OVERALL

Firmware was 0.3, which I was assured was close to production but still being tweaked. There were some minor issues, such as a warmish tint in AWB/Sunny WB outdoors, but indoors and under tungsten it was pretty accurate. It is still being tuned so I expect the production version to be even better.
BATTERIES

Battery life seemed OK. I shot over 300 pics with lots of chimping and the batery indicator still read full. Spares are very cheap and available, so having one or two spares charged up seems like a reasonable compromise. I have no reason to doubt the estimates from Pentax of 500+ per charge and of course you can double this with the grip.
CONTROLS

Its a great camera to use. The controls all work well and have a solid, well engineered feel to them. The VF is excellent as expected, but the new LCD is great, much more accurate and much easier to see. Its atually quite useful for checking exposure, though I used blinkies for shadows/highlights rather than the histograms. Another WAY cool feature is being able to review the affect of image settings such as WB on the review screen. Now is that cool or what? Its a great way of adjusting WB for the conditions. Raw files can be converted quickly into JPEGs to save space if needed.

The only slight niggles included a rather stiff battery door. You have to give quite a tug on the catch since there is nowhere to insert a fingernail to pull the door open. This wasa test mule so it may have had some hard use over time. Also, the EV lock button was a tad awkward to locate with your thumb - I'm sure this is something you could get used to.
MODES

I tried out the Sv and TAv modes, and they work well - there is something quite groovy about watching the ISO go up and down as you expose! The ISO setting takes the place of the remaining shots counter in the LCD and VF. However I never really got on with them - what I did find FAR more useful was to assign EV comp to the front dial in Av mode - this puts up a permanent display of the EV setting and you can adjust it simply by twirling the front dial - excellent!!!! I also set auto ISO to 100 - 320 and shot away though you dont know what ISO it selected until you review the shot. I do wish the ISO display was permanent.
AF

There were still some odd focus stutters in very low light at very wide angles (12mm on the 12-24) but I never got any OOF shots and it didnt give up either. In half decent light its snappy and accurate. Its a great deal faster than anything Pentax have produced before as indeed is the whole camera.
RAW

I was restricted to shooting DNG because I didnt have any other RAW tools that would read the PEFs. I had to compress the DNGs using adobe DNG converter before Picasa could read them. However they worked fine uncompressed in adobe bridge and photoshop. The size of the uncompressed DNGs was 16.3 - 16.7 MB. They converted in camera to Jpegs which were about 3MB to 9MB depending on the detail and noise in the image.
IMAGE QUALITY


Wow. In terms of detail, the 25% increase in linear resolution is there, but to get it in context, you would still have to peep hard at an A3 print to see the difference. However what is VERY much improved is the sheer vibrancy and colour depth of the shots. What looks like a fairly flat single colour on the K100 seems to almost glow on the K10 showing far more liveliness and a range of shades. And yes, both were using natural image tone. In terms of DR at the ends of the range, I would say the K10 has a far more gradual tail off towards clipping at both the highlight and shadow end. There is textural detail in white surfaces and shadows that isnt visible on the K100. Its slight but its noticeable. Subjectively I would say there was about a stop more DR in the shadows as well. The K10 exposes about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop lower than the K100, but still retains more shadow detail.

More in part 2
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Steve
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Awesome! Thanks for this.
Now enter Sigma 18-50 F2.8 Macro or Pentax 16-45 F4?
I wish THAT decision was as easy as ordering a K10D :)
thank you :)
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Great review! I'm excited for the image quality on this camera. It sounds like it will do an excellent job. I do not remeber the answer to this, but were they planning on having the raw pictures compressed (both PEF and DNG) in the final firmware?
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Thanks very much for this, Steve. I am particularly encouraged by your assessment of image quality.

Everyone who handles the camera seems to like it.

Looking forward to your next installment.

Joe
 
ANTI SHAKE

It works. I got shots at the wide end of the 12-24 as low as 0.8 seconds and routinely at 1/4 and 1/2 second. At 24mm I have a few shots at 1/5 and 1/6 seconds which are nice and sharp and some 90mm shots at 1/10 and 1/15. The fact that I could do this routinely was what was so impressive.
NOISE

Ah yes, noise. Well, its there. Sympathetic NR is being applied to the output JPEGs in camera. Comparing JPEGs, I would say the ISO equivalence is about 1/3 lower on the K10 for the same noise, ie. 200 400 800 and 1600 are roughly the same as 160, 320, 640 and 1250 on the K10 - far from a disaster. There is very little to choose between them at low ISO, its only really visible in shadow areas and from ISO400 upwards.

With RAW files, there is no in camera noise reduction and above ISO 320 the gap becomes more pronounced - I would say about 2/3 of a stop difference at 1600. You can recover it using good NR but 1600 on the K100 is noticeably cleaner.

At a guess, I would say there is much less NR than on the D80, but more than the A100. Up to ISO800 the shots clean up nicely in Neat Image and lose very little detail. There is more chroma noise than the Nikon (though I noticed that PhotoLab was quite good at removing this from K100 shots) but no detail smearing whcih is quite obvious on both the D200 and even more so on the D80. The grain pattern is also very tight which means you can use mainly the high frequency settings in Neat Image and lose less detail.

I think Pentax have generally adopted the right approach. Using the right RAW converter can claw a lot of the difference back but much more sympathtically. Remember also this was only firmware 0.3!!
MOIRE

I only noticed it in one or two shots. The K100 showed more especially with prime lenses.
AND FINALLY

Pentax were very receptive to feedback and I'm sure the final versions will have some improvements. Pentax are planning some firmware upgrades but I dont know for certain what they will contain. However it seems clear they are happy to entertain the idea of upgrading the camera throughout its life with firmware improvements rather than just bug fixes.

I was very impressed with the camera as a shooting tool. As a value alternative to the D200, you are giving up very little and saving a lot of money. It deserves to sell like hotcakes!

Sure it wont compete with the Canon 5D at high ISO, but it will compete with the rest of the 10MP bunch. At the same time, at low to medium ISO, the shots from this camera are awesome. They almost glow. Its hard to explain but Richard and I both felt the same. They manage to look far more vibrant and rich without looking oversaturated or over contrasty. Really superb. That PRIME engine seems to deliver the goods.
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Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
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Again, nice and the SR figures are respectful! And being only 1/3 noisier than the K100D is a great thing IMO, Most here argues that 6MP was one stop less noisy than 10MP and in RAW you state it is about 2/3 (1/3 in JPEG) so this is great performance IMO.

Also im rather excited about the low ISO images based on your observations - seems the 22bit AD and Prime engine are the business!
ANTI SHAKE
It works. I got shots at the wide end of the 12-24 as low as 0.8
seconds and routinely at 1/4 and 1/2 second. At 24mm I have a few
shots at 1/5 and 1/6 seconds which are nice and sharp and some 90mm
shots at 1/10 and 1/15. The fact that I could do this routinely was
what was so impressive.
NOISE
Ah yes, noise. Well, its there. Sympathetic NR is being applied to
the output JPEGs in camera. Comparing JPEGs, I would say the ISO
equivalence is about 1/3 lower on the K10 for the same noise, ie.
200 400 800 and 1600 are roughly the same as 160, 320, 640 and 1250
on the K10 - far from a disaster. There is very little to choose
between them at low ISO, its only really visible in shadow areas
and from ISO400 upwards.
With RAW files, there is no in camera noise reduction and above ISO
320 the gap becomes more pronounced - I would say about 2/3 of a
stop difference at 1600. You can recover it using good NR but 1600
on the K100 is noticeably cleaner.
At a guess, I would say there is much less NR than on the D80, but
more than the A100. Up to ISO800 the shots clean up nicely in Neat
Image and lose very little detail. There is more chroma noise than
the Nikon (though I noticed that PhotoLab was quite good at
removing this from K100 shots) but no detail smearing whcih is
quite obvious on both the D200 and even more so on the D80. The
grain pattern is also very tight which means you can use mainly the
high frequency settings in Neat Image and lose less detail.
I think Pentax have generally adopted the right approach. Using the
right RAW converter can claw a lot of the difference back but much
more sympathtically. Remember also this was only firmware 0.3!!
MOIRE
I only noticed it in one or two shots. The K100 showed more
especially with prime lenses.
AND FINALLY
Pentax were very receptive to feedback and I'm sure the final
versions will have some improvements. Pentax are planning some
firmware upgrades but I dont know for certain what they will
contain. However it seems clear they are happy to entertain the
idea of upgrading the camera throughout its life with firmware
improvements rather than just bug fixes.
I was very impressed with the camera as a shooting tool. As a value
alternative to the D200, you are giving up very little and saving a
lot of money. It deserves to sell like hotcakes!
Sure it wont compete with the Canon 5D at high ISO, but it will
compete with the rest of the 10MP bunch. At the same time, at low
to medium ISO, the shots from this camera are awesome. They almost
glow. Its hard to explain but Richard and I both felt the same.
They manage to look far more vibrant and rich without looking
oversaturated or over contrasty. Really superb. That PRIME engine
seems to deliver the goods.
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Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob
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usteve - wondering if your should actually post a seprate thread with your Part 2. I would hate for someone to miss this info If they ready your part one and just breeze through. There is great info that I am sure all will want to read.

Thanks also for the info.
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Pat from Western Mass. USA
 
Thanks, Steve. Based on your comments, sounds like a K10D will fit my needs very well. I rarely shoot above ISO 800 with my DS2 and - with SR in play - my excursions into the upper ISO range will become vanishingly small.

I gather you feel the camera feels precise. Yesterday, I shot a few frames with my colleague's new Canon 30D. It's a big honker, but looked, felt and operated with an elegance that reminded me of my LX's when I used them years ago. Any idea of how a K10D would feel in comparison to a 30D?

Thanks again for your efforts.

Jerry
 
Again, nice and the SR figures are respectful! And being only 1/3
noisier than the K100D is a great thing IMO, Most here argues that
6MP was one stop less noisy than 10MP and in RAW you state it is
about 2/3 (1/3 in JPEG) so this is great performance IMO.
Yes, ISO 1600 RAW is not great but its not quite as bad as the K100 3200 RAW.
Also im rather excited about the low ISO images based on your
observations - seems the 22bit AD and Prime engine are the business!
Well, Phil will be getting his soon and he will probably disagree with all my conclusions, but overall I really was impressed with this camera.

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Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob
 
I gather you feel the camera feels precise. Yesterday, I shot a
few frames with my colleague's new Canon 30D. It's a big honker,
but looked, felt and operated with an elegance that reminded me of
my LX's when I used them years ago. Any idea of how a K10D would
feel in comparison to a 30D?
Its slightly heavier but has a nicer grip and the buttons are better located. Its feels extemely solid and professional - similar to the D200.
Thanks again for your efforts.

Jerry
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Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob
 
Thanks for the report Steve. From what I have seen in some K10D pictures Im not very surprised :))
IMAGE QUALITY
Wow. In terms of detail, the 25% increase in linear resolution is
there, but to get it in context, you would still have to peep hard
at an A3 print to see the difference. However what is VERY much
improved is the sheer vibrancy and colour depth of the shots. What
looks like a fairly flat single colour on the K100 seems to almost
glow on the K10 showing far more liveliness and a range of shades.
And yes, both were using natural image tone. In terms of DR at the
ends of the range, I would say the K10 has a far more gradual tail
off towards clipping at both the highlight and shadow end. There is
textural detail in white surfaces and shadows that isnt visible on
the K100. Its slight but its noticeable. Subjectively I would say
there was about a stop more DR in the shadows as well. The K10
exposes about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop lower than the K100, but still
retains more shadow detail.

More in part 2
--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob
 
Hi, Steve,

Really helpful, thanks so much for posting.

For a 'serious amateur' mainly doing wildflower macro work at the moment,

http://picasaweb.google.com/ferrymanau/Upload

could you very kindly summarise what advantage there would be to me upgrading to a K10D from a *ist D?

Regards
 

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