G7 Thoughts

thecameraguy · Nov 3, 2006

what part of f2.0 do you need?.. you cannot say the G7 has a "slower" lens if the IS gives 4 fstops of additional usage...

oh wait...that would make the G7 3 stops faster than its predecessors

oh..and the G7 has more usable high ISO.. 2 stops?... 3 stops?

so, in conclusion the slower G7 is 5 EV stops faster than its predecessors...damn Canon!
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Jim · Nov 3, 2006

bwbrock said:
I still like poking fun at how the G7 is getting picked on because
it doesn't have all that a DSLR has and isn't as tiny as other
cameras while people miss how rich the G7s feature set is.

No, the G7 gets picked on because it's not a real G SERIES....not that it isn't a DSLR. If you want to poke a little fun, fine...but at least know what the issue is.

Jim
XT, REAL G2, S410, F30

Jim · Nov 3, 2006

milehog said:
Its a G7 therefore it must be a G camera no matter what it's
feature set is. I don't see a label on the camera calling it a A7,
B7, D7, E7, and so on. It's a G7.

Do you see a swivel LCD? Do you see a 2.0 lens? Do you see RAW support? What? No to all of these? Then the only thing that's a G on the G7 is the label. It's an A series with a hot shoe...and a big price tag, of course.

Jim

Jim · Nov 3, 2006

4-8-4-Northern said:
How 'bout calling the "G" 7 "differently-abled?"

Not bad. Actually, "less-abled" is a good descriptor. Hey, I wonder how the people who forked out $600 like the fact that the price of the G7 is now dropping like a rock less than a week after it's introduction? Oh well.

Jim

Jim · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
what part of f2.0 do you need?.. you cannot say the G7 has a
"slower" lens if the IS gives 4 fstops of additional usage...

oh wait...that would make the G7 3 stops faster than its
predecessors

oh..and the G7 has more usable high ISO.. 2 stops?... 3 stops?

so, in conclusion the slower G7 is 5 EV stops faster than its
predecessors...damn Canon!

You must have been one of those who spent the $600 early on and now the camera is $500 and falling...with cause. LOL

Jim

thecameraguy · Nov 3, 2006

get over it..

the camera is what it is.. is anyone sticking a gun to your head to buy it?

swivel LCD????..... 10's of millions of photographers over a hundred years have been able to position their head behind the camera.. who cares?

RAW?... learn how to expose your photographs correctly, set the default in camera processing to minimal and there is NO difference... who cares?

as far as the f2.0 lens??.. see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=20727739

canon are in business to make money...the G7 will outsell its predecessors.
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~ Being over-exposed can get you arrested ~

richarddd · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
what part of f2.0 do you need?.. you cannot say the G7 has a
"slower" lens if the IS gives 4 fstops of additional usage...

No

IS ameliorates camera shake. It does nothing for subject movement. A faster lens would allow a faster shutter speed at the same aperature, allowing you better to photograph a moving subject

Virvatulet · Nov 3, 2006

bwbrock said:
What? F2.8 isn't f2.8 because the two camera designs are different?

bwbrock said:
that means a flim SLR, a DSLR and a P&S. You might be referring to
the effects of how much DOF one gets at f2.8 in a P&S vs a DSLR or
a MF back?

Yes, and to the fact that due to DSLRs’ higher light sensitivity one can achieve the same deep DOF as with P&S cameras by using smaller apertures (higher f-stop numbers). And for the same reason f2.8 lens on a DSLR yields much better low light capabilities than f2.8 lens on a P&S camera. Thus not equal in meaning.

-Virvatulet

Jim · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
get over it..

Nothing to get over. You're stuck with this $600 turkey, not me.

Jim
XT, REAL G2, S410, F30

mamallama · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
what part of f2.0 do you need?.. you cannot say the G7 has a
"slower" lens if the IS gives 4 fstops of additional usage...

oh wait...that would make the G7 3 stops faster than its
predecessors

oh..and the G7 has more usable high ISO.. 2 stops?... 3 stops?

so, in conclusion the slower G7 is 5 EV stops faster than its
predecessors...damn Canon!

Now that's classical rationalization at its best without being realistic. IS will never replace a fast lens. And the high ISO is at a noisy price.

damn Canon is right.

--mamallama

bwbrock · Nov 3, 2006

Virvatulet said:
bwbrock wrote:
And for the
same reason f2.8 lens on a DSLR yields much better low light
capabilities than f2.8 lens on a P&S camera. Thus not equal in
meaning.

-Virvatulet

That is absolutely incorrect. An f2.8 aperture is an f2.8 aperture and that aperture yields the same amount of light and exposure at a given shutter speed and given iso regardless of what camera/lens combo we're comparing. Your saying f2.8 on a DSLR provides more light than f2.8 on a P&S, which is completely WRONG. Please refer to Photography 101.

bwbrock · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
get over it..

the camera is what it is.. is anyone sticking a gun to your head to
buy it?

swivel LCD????..... 10's of millions of photographers over a
hundred years have been able to position their head behind the
camera.. who cares?

RAW?... learn how to expose your photographs correctly, set the
default in camera processing to minimal and there is NO
difference... who cares?

as far as the f2.0 lens??.. see
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=20727739

AMEN!

thecameraguy said:
canon are in business to make money...the G7 will outsell its
predecessors.
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~ Being over-exposed can get you arrested ~

saotupp · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
canon are in business to make money...the G7 will outsell its
predecessors.

Of course it will(doh), like the new SD-series cameras have sold better than the old ones but S400 still has one of the best image quality. I agree with you, Canon is in the business to make money, photography comes after the money but does it have to be so obvious.

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If a man empties his purse into his head, no one can take it away from him. An investment of knowledge always pays the best interest.

Virvatulet · Nov 3, 2006

bwbrock said:
That is absolutely incorrect. An f2.8 aperture is an f2.8 aperture

Which part of “due to DSLRs’ higher light sensitivity” you didn’t understand? Fix sensitivities to equal noise levels (IQ) and you’ll see what we are talking about.

-Virvatulet

thecameraguy · Nov 3, 2006

virv..
its the smaller sensor that yields higher DOF, not the sensor sensitivity..

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~ Being over-exposed can get you arrested ~

thecameraguy · Nov 3, 2006

yes it does have to be so obvious....

hurts though huh?..

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~ Being over-exposed can get you arrested ~

saotupp · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
hurts though huh?..

Yes, it hurts but maybe next year will heal my wounds.

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If a man empties his purse into his head, no one can take it away from him. An investment of knowledge always pays the best interest.

4-8-4-Northern · Nov 3, 2006

I think the statement below speaks for itself. These are the kind of people that are buying the "G" 7.

thecameraguy said:
the slower G7 is 5 EV stops faster than its
predecessors

Virvatulet · Nov 3, 2006

thecameraguy said:
virv..
its the smaller sensor that yields higher DOF, not the sensor
sensitivity..

Yes, but you can trade the higher sensitivity of a DSLR to more DOF by using smaller apertures and have somewhat equal DOF and IQ compared to P&S cameras.

-Virvatulet

bwbrock · Nov 3, 2006

Virvatulet said:
bwbrock said:

That is absolutely incorrect. An f2.8 aperture is an f2.8 aperture

Click to expand...

Which part of “due to DSLRs’ higher light
sensitivity” you didn’t understand? Fix sensitivities
to equal noise levels (IQ) and you’ll see what we are talking
about.

-Virvatulet

LOL....the sensore has nothing to do with the lens aperture rating of f2.8. Having shot digital for 10 years, and now with a pair of 1DmkII bodies and a 1DsmkII, I know plenty about sensitivity, noise and resolution from DSLRs, thank you.

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