So what scores Phil will give to K10D?

Now for the Hot 10MP Quartet, 3 reviews are out. Time for guessing the last one?

Phil's ratings are as follows (average and total scores are added for easy comparison):

Detail (D-SLR) A100 D80 400D
Build quality 8 9 8.5
Ergonomics & handling 8.5 9 8
Features 9 9.5 8.5
Image quality 8 8 8.5
Performance (speed) 8 9 8
Value 8.5 8.5 9

Average Score 8.33 8.83 8.42
Total Score 50 53 50.5

My take on the K10D:
Build quality should be better than D80, so it's a 9.5

Ergonomics & handling At least on a par with D80, maybe better, 9 Features Clearly on a par with D80, for sure 9.5
Image quality Should be at least 8, if the PRIME really works, 8.5
Performance (speed) Should be same as D80, 9
Value Lower price than D80, more feature than 400D, so 9,

So here is the comparison:
Detail (D-SLR) A100 D80 400D K10D
Build quality 8 9 8.5 9.5
Ergonomics & handling 8.5 9 8 9
Features 9 9.5 8.5 9.5
Image quality 8 8 8.5 8
Performance (speed) 8 9 8 9
Value 8.5 8.5 9 9

Average Score 8.33 8.83 8.42 9
Total 50 53 50.5 54

How do you think?
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Muzi

Sorry, original post lost all the spacing, so the rating table was not like the way I posted. Hope this will work better.

So here is the comparison:
Detail (D-SLR) A100 D80 400D K10D
Build quality 8 9 8.5 9.5
Ergonomics & handling 8.5 9 8 9
Features 9 9.5 8.5 9.5
Image quality 8 8 8.5 8
Performance (speed) 8 9 8 9
Value 8.5 8.5 9 9

Average Score 8.33 8.83 8.42 9
Total 50 53 50.5 54
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Muzi

Build quality: 8.5
Ergonomics & handling: 8.5
Features: 9.5
Image quality: 8.5
Performance (speed): 8.5
Value: 10 (anything less is engineered)

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

See, we don't need any review.
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wlachan said:

Build quality: 8.5
Ergonomics & handling: 8.5
Features: 9.5
Image quality: 8.5
Performance (speed): 8.5
Value: 10 (anything less is engineered)

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

See, we don't need any review.
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I think, seriously we need not any review.. as we all know, often reviews are a bit baised..... so what's important is, we do a test ourselves.. go to the shop and test the camera.. i think that makes the ultimate decision making... isn't it.. We all like our D/DS/DS2/DL and D100, but was the rating really good?? Answer is not.. but we still like our camera.. not becos we already bought them.. its the quality of the camera that keeps it..so why bother about reviews... though it help make some buying decision i must say.... just my thoughts

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645D said:

Now for the Hot 10MP Quartet, 3 reviews are out. Time for guessing
the last one?
Phil's ratings are as follows (average and total scores are added
for easy comparison):

Detail (D-SLR) A100 D80 400D
Build quality 8 9 8.5
Ergonomics & handling 8.5 9 8
Features 9 9.5 8.5
Image quality 8 8 8.5
Performance (speed) 8 9 8
Value 8.5 8.5 9

Average Score 8.33 8.83 8.42
Total Score 50 53 50.5

My take on the K10D:
Build quality should be better than D80, so it's a 9.5
Ergonomics & handling At least on a par with D80, maybe better, 9
Features Clearly on a par with D80, for sure 9.5
Image quality Should be at least 8, if the PRIME
really works, 8.5
Performance (speed) Should be same as D80, 9
Value Lower price than D80, more feature
than 400D, so 9,

So here is the comparison:
Detail (D-SLR) A100 D80 400D K10D
Build quality 8 9 8.5 9.5
Ergonomics & handling 8.5 9 8 9
Features 9 9.5 8.5 9.5
Image quality 8 8 8.5 8
Performance (speed) 8 9 8 9
Value 8.5 8.5 9 9

Average Score 8.33 8.83 8.42 9
Total 50 53 50.5 54

How do you think?
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Muzi

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I can't see him giving the K10D more than 8 for image quality. Even with the hype of the 22 bit PRIME engine, I can't see them increasing the DR or much less noise than other users of the similar Sony sensor.

It all depends on the out of camera jpeg quality. It needs to be as good as Sony and Nikon or the K10D will only get a recommended.
Douglas Film

If the K10D has it, Phil will rate it highly. If it is in any way disappointing he will give it a lower rating that we would like to see. In one sense, Pentax is playing a dangerous game in setting expectations high (PRIME, 22-bits, etc.). If they don't deliver they'll get hammered.

But I'm betting Pentax will pull it off this time. I better get my preorder in...

That might end up being the case but I have seen numerous reviews where cameras with the same sensors have had varying performance levels. This is especially true in longer exposures where the noise reduction algorithms start to play a more significant role. I could easily see PRIME making a tangible difference for low light situations at the very least.

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For features and price it should get 10, as there are no other cameras that offer as much, in this price catagory.
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How about waiting until they start producing cameras, so that Phil can actually get his hands on one, so that he can test it, write a review and then publish it?

And don't forget, the site takes a month or more evan when a camera is very highly anticipated, and if they get a unit in the beginning of December you end up having Christmas and New Year's in between as well. So I wouldn't expect an actual review until mid or late January at the very earliest.

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KK1979 said:

wlachan said:

See, we don't need any review.
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I think, seriously we need not any review.. as we all know, often
reviews are a bit baised..... so what's important is, we do a test
ourselves.. go to the shop and test the camera.. i think that makes
the ultimate decision making... isn't it..

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Sure, we could be happier not reading Phil's tests and not finding out Brand A has better IQ than our beloved toy, suffering the inferior-toy syndrome...

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Muzi

I well remember reading Phil's review of the Ds just as I was buying mine. Luckily, a real live camera store (with a helpful and informed camera geek, ah, I mean expert) had one that I could take outside and play with. I was sold instantly as handled it and I looked through the fine, bright viewfinder. And that was with the kit lens, not my new 50/ 1.4! I'm not remotely qualified to critique his review, but the problem seemed to be the way he said it not what he said. Being an obvious perfectionist he was clearly offended by what he regarded as the "dumbing down" of the software. But if you read carefully he admits it was only the factory settings that he didn't like, not a fatal flaw that would have changed my mind. The RAW file isue is more serious but also not fatal. I still don't know what to do with RAW files.

My guess (and the apparently the consensus here) is that unless Phil finds a fatal flaw in the K10, we are all already sold, because unless Pentax is lying we will see our favrite camera with most if not all of the limitations of Ds removed plus dandy new features, and at a price that the big guns would charge 3X as much for, plus the big premium on their lenses.

Guys like Phil provide an invaluable service by providing very meticulous tests that most of us would never attempt, and of course hosting this site, which I have found invaluable. Lest we forget and start badmouthing Phil.
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The real problem is the review doesn't jive with our personal experience when we loodk at our pictures.
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The D80 is notably soft in JPEG form, and noisy in RAW. A100 is sharper but noisier in JPEG.

RAW output is likely to be similar to the other two (unless they have a different AA filter) but JPEGs are looking good at low ISO and may well be reasonably smooth at high ISO. So anything is possible (look at the 400D RAW shots at ISO1600 vs the JPEGs).

ngap said:

I can't see him giving the K10D more than 8 for image quality. Even
with the hype of the 22 bit PRIME engine, I can't see them
increasing the DR or much less noise than other users of the
similar Sony sensor.

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The strength of Pentax should be on the feature/handling department, while the IQ should be on par with D80/A100.
The ist D has pretty good IQ among the 6MPs, so this PRIME can't be so bad.

*isteve said:

The D80 is notably soft in JPEG form, and noisy in RAW. A100 is
sharper but noisier in JPEG.
RAW output is likely to be similar to the other two (unless they
have a different AA filter) but JPEGs are looking good at low ISO
and may well be reasonably smooth at high ISO. So anything is
possible (look at the 400D RAW shots at ISO1600 vs the JPEGs).

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Muzi

My ratings:

I think this is a STUPID thread!

Phil loved handling and viewfinder. So it must be highly rating in usability, picture quality has to be seen, additional function highly recommended.

I think it will be highly recommened or Pentax messed something or DPreview is biased
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Cideway said:

For features and price it should get 10, as there are no other
cameras that offer as much, in this price catagory.
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for features 10+ (maybe 10,5-11) !
weather sealing, SR, dust cleaning (maybe 22bits but this is not proven)

Jan Moren said:

And don't forget, the site takes a month or more evan when a camera
is very highly anticipated, and if they get a unit in the beginning
of December you end up having Christmas and New Year's in between
as well. So I wouldn't expect an actual review until mid or late
January at the very earliest.

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Yes, so we can visit this site every day to see if the review is posted. And page hits for the site will increase until that and ads income too.

dsowner said:

Phil loved handling and viewfinder. So it must be highly rating in
usability, picture quality has to be seen, additional function
highly recommended.

I think it will be highly recommened or Pentax messed something or
DPreview is biased

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According to Pentax's UK head of imaging, Phil is highly respected by them as the most professional of reviewers. I feel that whatever Phil finds will be factual and his conclusions are usually very well thought out. Certainly anyone with a small amount of common sense can draw a very precise idea of what to expect when they try the camera out for themselves.

I think we can be sure to have as unbiased an opinion as possible from any reviewer and with the most exhaustive and comprehensive examination possible.

I must say that while I cannot find fault with any of Phils' methodology. I do take issue sometimes over a lack of emphasis on some features, mainly on P&S cameras that don't have optical viewfinders, I find that such a major design ommission, every manufacturer ought to be slammed for omitting one! I regard LCD's as review screens, not compositional ones, although I can see the benefit of tilt and swivel designs.

It will be most illuminating to read Phils final review when it does appear. As I'm, very happily, not an early adopter, I'm content to wait until it does!
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