G7 Raw

Franklin · Oct 3, 2006

Unlike Minolta or Olympus, Canon simply doesn't add new features in firmware upgrades. I can't remember once Canon added any major feature in a firmage upgrade.

However, we may see RAW back in G8 if the out-cry is loud enough. But I think what killed G7 for me is that loosy 10mp sensor and no swivel LCD.

linuxworks · Oct 3, 2006

there won't be a g8.

there wasn't a g7!

even if they call it a G, we all know better than that. once burned...

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Richard van der Meij · Oct 3, 2006

tomjar said:
Some people are surprised that G7 was met with quite a disdain here
on dpreview. Comments such as "if you don't like it, don't buy it",
"RAW in P&S is useless", "tilt-and-twist LCD is just a gimmick",
"buy a DSLR if you want this and that" etc. come to mind.

The remarks you quoted here are fairly black-white as are quite a few of the opinions people express on this and other cameras which I think is a bit too simplistically put.

You're argumentation is very reasonable and I understand why you're dissappointed.

Of the nice features I like of the current A-series line up are:

image stabilisation
swivel LCD
up to 6x zoom

No camera combining all (I know the s3 does, it's just an example), I could say I don't get that strategy but I suppose canon doesn't want to create the "perfect camera" canibalising on their higher end DSLRs.

Hope you enjoy your camera until something will be introduced that worth upgrading to for you

Simon Joinson · Oct 3, 2006

Hi all - the offical response in a nutshell is "PowerShot G7 doesn't have RAW image support, and that there is no plan to implement it for this model."

dpreview's Canon Europe contact added 'From Canon's point of view the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent - as many of the the visitors at photokina who evaluated the pre-production PowerShot G7's on the booth did comment.'

At least we have a fairly definitive answer on that one, even if it's not the one you'd like.
S

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kellert · Oct 3, 2006

canon knows there demographics...even if some here don't want to admit it.

Simon Joinson said:
Hi all - the offical response in a nutshell is "PowerShot G7
doesn't have RAW image support, and that there is no plan to
implement it for this model."

dpreview's Canon Europe contact added 'From Canon's point of view
the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent - as
many of the the visitors at photokina who evaluated the
pre-production PowerShot G7's on the booth did comment.'

At least we have a fairly definitive answer on that one, even if
it's not the one you'd like.
S

--
Simon Joinson, dpreview.com

Peter Stelman · Oct 3, 2006

Oh well... It's still a pretty cool looking camera. I'm lookng forward to seeing it in stores.

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Virvatulet · Oct 3, 2006

Simon Joinson said:
the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent - as

Everything is as expected, they are exceedingly confident that they have chosen the right strategy…

And yes, the image quality was quite disappointing too! The answer is marketing BS in progress.

-Virvatulet

Koosla · Oct 3, 2006

... so thanks.

I wasn't expecting much more than that, anyway. Certainly not acknowledging the wide disappointment generated by the G7, and I guess that the only way to address your question was by not really answering it, which is what they've done.

Still I expected that they would sneak a RAW re-enabling firmware update with as little fuss as possible (thus contenting a few users, but avoiding a sense of mistake acknowledgment), but... oh well, G line down the sink it is.

kellert · Oct 3, 2006

you are right. it does look good. good looks and sturdy build are important to me and i'm looking forward to buying it. IQ should be just fine.

i know it will impress most people and many lashing out against here will end up buying themselves.

Peter Stelman said:
Oh well... It's still a pretty cool looking camera. I'm lookng
forward to seeing it in stores.

--
Peter

kellert · Oct 3, 2006

"wide disappointment"?

kind of a melodramatic, embellishment, don't you think?

Koosla said:
Certainly not
acknowledging the wide disappointment generated by the G7,

Virvatulet · Oct 3, 2006

kellert said:
i know it will impress most people and many lashing out against
here will end up buying themselves.

Who are you trying to convince with such comments?

If you think the camera is worth the price or you are so well provided that it doesn’t matter, then buy it. But please don’t claim that you know what other people are going to do, makes you look like one of the Canon’s “luminaries”.

-Virvatulet

linuxworks · Oct 3, 2006

Simon Joinson said:
Hi all - the offical response in a nutshell is "PowerShot G7
doesn't have RAW image support, and that there is no plan to
implement it for this model."

sounds like its an architectural issue, then. the jpg engine might be hardwired to the data path and there's no software way to get at the bits, in the middle. I would have assumed so, else they would have included raw as a menu option!

Simon Joinson said:
dpreview's Canon Europe contact added 'From Canon's point of view
the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent - as
many of the the visitors at photokina who evaluated the
pre-production PowerShot G7's on the booth did comment.'

such a cop out. but look at the "beautiful plumage!"

thanks for the follow-up. at least we now know what canon thinks of this market segment. buy accordingly, I say.

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linuxworks · Oct 3, 2006

kellert said:
i know it will impress most people and many lashing out against
here will end up buying themselves.

$600 for an a-series.

LOL

PT Barnum was right.

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Virvatulet · Oct 3, 2006

Well, I think that you are with your “genuine adore” in the minority here.

-Virvatulet

whatnotnow · Oct 3, 2006

No I didnt see a wide disapointment, everyone here was just peechy with the decision to disrespect and disable a feature that gives artists control over their "brush". Its better to have the "paint by numbers" watercolour wash JPGS are really.

kellert · Oct 3, 2006

glad to know that you're not over-reacting.

whatnotnow said:
No I didnt see a wide disapointment, everyone here was just peechy
with the decision to disrespect and disable a feature that gives
artists control over their "brush". Its better to have the "paint
by numbers" watercolour wash JPGS are really.

tomjar · Oct 3, 2006

Richard van der Meij said:
No camera combining all (I know the s3 does, it's just an example),
I could say I don't get that strategy but I suppose canon doesn't
want to create the "perfect camera" canibalising on their higher
end DSLRs.

Yes, I am thinking along the same lines.

Richard van der Meij said:
Hope you enjoy your camera until something will be introduced that
worth upgrading to for you

Thanks, I do. You too in case you are also looking for a new camera.

Regards,
Tomaz

whatnotnow · Oct 3, 2006

thank-you

regards

Jm

Jan Morales · Oct 3, 2006

Virvatulet said:
Everything is as expected, they are exceedingly confident that they
have chosen the right strategy…

The troll is right that Canon is following market demographics primarily--although that wouldn't explain why full manual exposure remains while RAW is out. He is arrogantly confused that we are arguing demographics--which we are not--but that's certainly what Canon is eyeing. A camera line that used to cater a little more to a smaller segment of enthusiasts (and the occasional pro) does no longer in the name of broader demographics and the bottom line. While Canon owes us no more, it's certainly reasonable for some to be disappointed considering it would have cost them nothing to keep RAW.

jonrobertp · Oct 3, 2006

I'm starting to have happy thoughts !! If most of the posters here are correct, and the G7 doesn't sell, and we get an early price drop, I'l be Very happy to save a few bucks. Just don't know if I can wait that long, since it so closely fills the bill for me.

Don't buy it now. I'm counting on a good deal !! In time for my next winter trip south, OK? cheers !

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