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Fuji S5 vs. Nikon D200

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... that the Nikon camp is belated on many things, but it still do fine (seeing how D200 or even D50 is out of stock)? The royalty of Nikon users (or our "trapping" with lens collections) is something amazing. I know how it is as I contribute to some of it (would've chosen Canon had I started all over again).

So, even with late arrival of S5, it likely will do ok- unless Nikon comes up with a S5 killer then. We're less worried about what's coming from Canon. Aren't we! (roll eyes)
Qwntm said:
Fred Phillips said:
And a reported 6 months probably really means 8, 9 or 10 months
before the average Joe can actually get his hands on one...if Fuji
history on such things is any guideline
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What if Canon releases a 16MP high dynamic range sensor in the next
8 months? There are lots of rumors.

Me thinks the S5 would have been a GREAT camera - 2 years ago...

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Isn't it amazing...

That Nikon dslr marketing is (still) so good, do not forget, a (good) product is part of good marketing (^^) Nikon eats already some time from 2 worlds, Nikon and Fuji. Just a matter of time that it runs out, and Fuji will become part of Nikon or it will be a joint venture. After all the battle for the dslr market just started a couple of years ago.

I really learnt to photograph with my used Nikon F100 (sold that damn thing to my nephew) Since then it's a kind of trust what I have in Nikon.

Besides I'm still so naieve to believe that good photographing with digital camera's has no relation with the technique inside the camera, so even if the S5 is better, no use for me to buy one (^^)

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How does anyone know the S5 will operate at smoothly and efficiently as the d200 just because it has the same body.

The S2 was never as smooth as even the D100.
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Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand.

Is the D200 body only exclusive to Nikon or can any manufacturer purchase it and resell it with a different sensor and name? If no, then why would Nikon in their right mind let another company buy the body, perfect it, then sell it?
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Mikep99 said:
Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand.
If no,
then why would Nikon in their right mind let another company buy
the body, perfect it, then sell it?
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Sales of Fuji DSLRs are less than 1% of what Nikon sells. The S5 (im sure it will be good and I might even buy one) is no threat to Nikon. Nikon knows this and will gladly profit from each sale.

Remember that the Camera is 6-8 months from being in the hands of the public anyway. Nikons new cameras might be ready by then. Fuji is slow.
 
The S5 will be a niche camera just like all the other Fuji DSLRs. The D200 body will be a much better camera than Fuji has ever used, not because Nikon has a problem with Fuji using any body Fuji chooses, but because Fuji has chosen to keep the pricepoint as low as it can for relatively low production product.

Nikon wins no matter what body Fuji uses. Having high DR cabability in an F-mount body means more sales of Nikon lenses, flashes and accessories. It even means a few more D200 body sales.

The Fuji's high DR sensor works. For folks who need the high DR (wedding and landscape photographers in particular), the S5 will be an attractive camera.

The S5 will be expensive. Fuji won't be able to produce sensors, retrofit bodies, create camera control softwarea and firmware, and update their image handling and raw conversion software without charging signficantly more than a D200 body's price. I'd guess $2700. Folks who don't understand why someone with specific needs would pay that kind of money should move along to other topics. This isn't a camera for the masses. Fuji doesn't compete with Nikon, they extend the depth and value of the F-mount to professionals.

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Qwntm said:
Just stating at what price I might give a 6mp D200 a chance to see
what the who-ha is about... Actually if the S5 were to come out at
$700, it would still be a TOUGH decision between it and the D80!
JMHO, YMMV...

I'm sure there are others that will love it, the rest of us will
all just be pointing and laughing. :)
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The S5 pro is not there to compete with a D80. As Fujifilm stated, it's a camera intended for the pros who shoot wedding, portraits, and in studio. So, it's not really a camera intended for amateurs who are buying their first entry level DSLR.

Not sure if you've used a Fujifilm DSLR. I switched from Nikon to Fuji, and the S3 is a major reason why I'm still sticking with my Nikon gears instead of jumping over to Canon.

The image quality of my S3 Pro is just stunning. I was a RAW shooter with my Nikon because of the poor and inconsistent JPEGs, and the poor JPEG dynamic range. Also, I had to spend time to post process every single RAW image. Since I got the S3, I've been a pure JPEG shooter because there's no need to post process. The S3 gives stunning JPEGs right out of the box. The JPEG workflow with the S3 makes things much more efficient and much more enjoyable. I mean, I can spend more time shooting pictures instead of spending time to post process RAW images in front of a monitor.

Time = money for a Pro. The Fujifilm DSLR's ability to give stunning JPEGs right out of the box would make things a lot more efficient (therefore, more profit). This justifies the premium that they'll be paying over a D200.

About the megapixel thing, Frank E. Cricchio has been making huge gallery prints with his S3 pro. He shoots in JPEG too!! I don't see why 6+6MP is a problem. To many people, it's not the number of megapixel, but the quality of megapixels that matters.

Further on megapixel counts, most people think there's a huge difference between a 6 and a 10. But the fact is that the increase is not huge. Think of it this way, for a 6MP sensor, the resolution is 3000x2000. To double the resolution of a 6MP would mean 6000x4000.... which means you'll need a 24MP sensor to double the resolution of a 6MP sensor. So, how much are you gaining with a 10MP sensor over a 6MP sensor? Definitely not a huge gain.

Regarding Fuji's 6+6MP sensor, there're many reviews suggesting resolution of a conventional 8MP.

I'm very glad to see the S5 Pro. This indicates that Fujifilm is still in the DSLR business for the people who care about image quality. I was a bit worried that Fujifilm would drop out. Now I just have to happily wait for the release of the S5.
 
I just traded my Fuji S2 pro for a Nikon D200. I loved the Fuji and thought it was a terrific camera that did a beautiful job at capturing detail and color. Why, then did I switch? I took a gamble, not a big one, on which brand's RAW format would go on into the future. I am worried about all the generic RAW formats and should a company like Fuji go out of the digital high end SLR field, what would happen to their format? I would truly like to see a universal RAW format as is being touted by some quarters.
 
BJN said:
This isn't a camera for the masses. Fuji doesn't compete with
Nikon, they extend the depth and value of the F-mount to
professionals.
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Exactly!! As Fujifilm stated, this is a camera intended for the pros who shoot in studios, portraits, weddings. Not a camera for the masses.
 
True. But they don't make their money on dSLR sales, as you've pointed out. Fuji just make amazing P&S cams for the masses, with some excellent enthusiast (prosumer, if you must) level cameras thrown in. I came to my D200 via Fuji cams (S9500 and E900) and wish I could've bought a Fuji dSLR that did what I wanted, but the S3 just wasn't it.

The S5 will be a niche market product, just like the S3 et al. Those who want/need its particular features will love it, while the rest of us will use whatever we own. Cameras are tools, nothing more. If you want to do up a nut, do you get a saw? No, you go and get the right tool. Sometimes, my D200 is the right tool, sometimes I need the E900.

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I'm not picking on you, but I just don't understand this argument. If Fuji stop making dSLRs, does that mean that their RAW format images are suddenly unreadable? Of course not. If you're really concerned about it, convert them all to TIFF (or even, horror of horrors, JPEG) format, and be done with it.
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Then you keep using the s/w that can handle RAW from that camera. A camera likely dies before the s/w gets obsoleted. Futher, updated versions of s/w usually keep supports of old cameras.

I don't see the problem. If a person is stubborn enough to stick with old camera, he/she should have no problem sticking with old computer running old s/w.

Even universal format is not guaranteed to be not obsoleted one day.
Peter Dunner said:
I am worried about all the generic RAW formats and
should a company like Fuji go out of the digital high end SLR
field, what would happen to their format?
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1) The Fuji sensor actually does have 12 million pixels: 6 million larger "S" pixels with 6 million smaller "R" pixels that only kick in when brightness reaches a certain level in order to add the additional HR Headroom.

It has a new AA filter, I believe courtesy of the D200.

Otherwise, it's basically the same 6mp chip they've been selling for years.

2) The performance will disappoint some D200 owners. It is rated at 3FPS, but when you increase the Dynamic Range (user-settable), you drop down as low as 1.5 FPS.

3) As you increase the DR, you also drop to something like 11 frames RAW.

This is a totally niche camera for people for whom dynamic range is more important than resolution. It has disappointed many current Fuji DSLR users.

And me.

I was hoping for D200-like performance with the legendary Fuji sensor upgraded to 8+8 or 10+10.

I guess there is no free lunch. :-)

I'll stick with my D200s.

PS: What -has- Fuji been doing with sensor research over the last 3-4 years? Has the SuperCDD reached its resolution limits? Or is this their deal with Nikon? They get the body, but they have to keep it out of D200 range? IAC, they've done another niche camera (Weddings). Don't know how they expect to become successful selling into one of the most saturated markets in photography!

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