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Good point, DougK.

But my question would then be: Are we talking older LCD technology? Do newer LCD screens allow for wider latitude, with better response for color, contrast, and saturation?
DougK said:
IMHO monitor calibration is a farce with a LCD display since the
contrast and saturation changes dramatically just by tilting the
screen differently. LCD displays are fine for text and graphics,
but not for photo work where precise color and contract are vital.
Long live the CRT.-- Ulysses
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Good grief, David! ROTFLMAO!
Just watch Meg Ryan and enjoy!

Homer
David Pichevin said:
Ulysses said:
David Pichevin said:
You should have seen me converge my home-theater CRT projector
(when I had one) to the death. And I would get up in the middle of
the movie to put my eye on the screen where I thought I saw
something weird :)
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Heheheh... you sound like exactly my kind of propeller-head. :))
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:)
The worst thing of all is the LCD projector (yeah, I had several of
them) with a dead pixel somewhere! Man, that drives you crazy. On 2
hours of movie I would just look at that dead pixel for 2 hours! :)
(Wife="what dead pixel???")

--
My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
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SFishy said:
I'll be keeping my eye on Apple very closely, and saving my
pennies... but I can say, I would not RELY on an LCD for my
business right now. I'd hold onto my CRTs until I was sure that
color and sharpness are being represented accurately.
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As we have talked about in this thread, LCDs have come a long way. The new ones, especially the ones Apple sells, have much better characteristics. Wider angles, faster response, better contrast and brightness (they are bright ) and colors are extremely accurate. I also see a lot more details (in dark areas for example) on my pictures on this LCD than on the other CRTs that I have, even after fiddleing with the settings for while).

I know you have to be careful when it's what puts money on the table, but frankly, you have to go and look at them.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
 
Ulysses said:
Great points, all of them, fg.
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Ok, now I will be invalidated.
Member said:
Lemme ask you a question(s):

What printer are you currently using? Is it a photo printer?
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Epson 600 (before there were photo printers!) I use my inkjet like once a year. I show most of my pix on the web! I mainly "print" with oFoto.
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What monitor model are you on?
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An 3 year old decent Viewsonic, various Powerbook LCDs...
Member said:
How would you compare your printer output with that of your LCD?
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I float between a powerbook and desktop mac with a CRT (large, hot and noisy), and as I mentioned rarely print, but do notice the differnce between the CRT and the LCD. But it only took me a week or two to learn the ins and out of the LCD gamma. Desktop LCDs seem a lot better than laptop LCDs anyway.

The other thing Uly, is on the Mac there's ColorSync which you calibrate your monitors with which I find gives me pretty consistant results accross machines and printers...

But this is coming from the guy who barely prints...
---fg
 
fg said:
Ok, now I will be invalidated.
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No, no, not at all. I trust you... really!! :)
fg said:
Epson 600 (before there were photo printers!) I use my inkjet like
once a year. I show most of my pix on the web! I mainly "print"
with oFoto.
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Oh GAWWD!!! I will never read another word you post in the forum!!

Bahahahahahahahahahahah!!©
fg said:
The other thing Uly, is on the Mac there's ColorSync which you
calibrate your monitors with which I find gives me pretty
consistant results accross machines and printers...
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So this ColorSync is hot stuff, then. Brought to you by Apple. Right? I'm going to have to read more about this. -- Ulysses
 
Ulysses said:
Question: Please help me with "Colorsync".

Is this color profiling built into OS X?
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Correct Sir!

Aside from deciding what you want for your monitor (Gamma, temperature) you select (or build) profiles that you want to use for data that you are going to display, print, data input etc...

I am mainly concerned with the display part since I don't print. I have an Inkjet but I found out that it demanded a considerable amount of energy to manage to get a good printing result (PC, MAc, CRT or LCD, doesn't matter) out of an inkjet printer and that I was much better off (and my wallet too) ordering prints on the web (OFoto).--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
 
for what it's worth, i've been doing all my photo editing on a Titanium Powerbook since i got my 707 middle of october. for the first week or so i viewed what i had just done on an iMac (CRT screen) just to make sure i wasn't being fooled by the powerbooks' screen which took a little getting used to since i had never worked on a laptop or an LCD screen before). 99% of the time i made no changes (the other 1% were very minor contrast changes on the B&W photos). now i don't know if you've seen any of my photos ulysses; i myself haven't seen any of them on a PC but i think i would have heard some comments from the forum if they were consistently too dark, too light, too flat etc. that's why my powerbook has become my photo editing computer. i've got a PC card adaptor which permanently resides in the PC card slot and i just pop the memory stick in and presto! my pictures are ready to go.

i'm a bit of a machead (been using apples since 1987 at work), would never consider switching (guess i'm loyal to apple; just like other people are loyal to honda, sony etc.), don't need access to thousands of so-so software titles (a dozen or so great ones is all i need), don't play video games & don't need to be compatible with PC's at work. but i don't preach the gospel according to apple. and i don't try to convert people. i just like to use them.

to tell you the truth, i don't even know if the screen in my powerbook is the same as an LCD screen so i can't comment on the pros and cons of LCD.

but i do know that the next computer i get will either be the new iMac or the new iBook. and i got a funny feeling that eventhough i really like the new iMac, i think the iBook will win out because of size considerations since when i move into my new condo i'll be losing almost 700 sq. ft. of living space.
after all this i have no idea what i was really trying to say.
Ulysses said:
Seriously, I like reading from someone who's a bit passionate about
what they use. For instance, one might say that I'm probably a Mac
user trapped in a PC body. :))
--

Ulysses
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--cUrVe http://homepage.mac.com/curve
 
Ya I would agree there. I don't play many games (ok almost none (ok none) ) But I have seen the refresh is not where a CRT is. So if you are into games then an LCD would probably not please you much.--ShayMy F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
 
cUrVe said:
after all this i have no idea what i was really trying to say.
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Ummm... Let's see... You were trying to convert me over to the Way of Mac? :))

Seriously, nothing wrong with a little bit of preaching here or there, as long as the person can lead by example. For example, I've seen your pitchas, cUrVe. You're a wonderfully creative guy. The quality of your work shows.

While I'm sure you work hard for what you do, it must also be nice to know that you've got equipment that makes it easier and more enjoyable to do. -- Ulysses
 
Ulysses said:
Ummm... Let's see... You were trying to convert me over to the Way
of Mac? :))
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i would never try to influence a man of your character and reputation, but just remember "he who lives by windows, shall also die by windows". for it is written that whomever among us walks in the shadow of the "gates" shall never get "jobs" once inside the translucent white pearly gates.
Member said:
Seriously, nothing wrong with a little bit of preaching here or
there, as long as the person can lead by example. For example, I've
seen your pitchas, cUrVe. You're a wonderfully creative guy. The
quality of your work shows.

While I'm sure you work hard for what you do, it must also be nice
to know that you've got equipment that makes it easier and more
enjoyable to do.
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no argument there. i love working on macs. it doesn't seem like work. even while at work it doesn't seem like i'm working as long as i designing on a mac.--cUrVe http://homepage.mac.com/curve
 
cUrVe said:
i would never try to influence a man of your character and reputation
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Heheh... It's not a problem. Really. Thanks for the compliment, though. But look at my information on the LCD issue. I've been so enthralled by the camera end of digital imaging for the past couple of years that I haven't really looked at LCD technology for the last YEAR. Sometimes people's circumstances change or their knowledge simply isn't what it ought to be. Seeing that to be the case with my own in this area, I'm openminded about it and happy to listen to ACCURATE and enthusiastically presented information.
cUrVe said:
but just remember "he who lives by windows, shall also
die by windows". for it is written that whomever among us walks in
the shadow of the "gates" shall never get "jobs" once inside the
translucent white pearly gates.
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Bahah...!!© I like that one. Good one. :))
cUrVe said:
i love working on macs. it doesn't seem like work.
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Now, truth be told: That's the best recommendation I've read all day.

Good for you, cUrVe. -- Ulysses
 
Ulysses:

I must apologize: as I was reading the thread, I guess I accumulated a rapid simmering boil over the various Apple-bashing comments I read. I generally don't reply to any forum post that makes me mad (since I figure that people are entitled to their opinions, however bone-headed... )

I think the new iMac is going to sell as much as, or more, than the iMac. It will be the new dorm computer of choice for those who thought the iMac was too eggy-feminine-60s.

The "luxo" (does it remind anyone else of that little Pixar lamp?) is cool: damn it, it's sexy, just like most of the Macs have always been. Whatever else you can say about Steve, he's a marketing geniuis. Insanely great, indeed.

BTW, I think coments about Apple's "death" are premature. I've acquired the habit of watching for "bi-platform" games, and mentions of Mac requirements in software reviews and ads. For a while, there were very few, but in the last few years it's reasonably prevalent (thanks in part to the iMac).

So, yeah, I'm geting in line for one (unless they release a new CD IS 10X Mavica before then...)

B

P.S. For whoever asked: yes, we have a VHS deck AND a beta deck.
 
True, their market share is awful but don't count them out for innovation and system reliability. They still have a relatively small but fanatical following. As an Internet marketing professional, I have only used PCs for years (though I started on Macs). With all of the BS and unreliability/security issues with Windows, not to mention the vulnerability to worms and viruses, I would consider Apple in the future...IF Windows-based apps could run seamlessly on a Mac system. I understand that this is either now possible or very close to that reality.

-Geoff
Frank C. said:
Member said:
Ulysses wrote:

My only disappointment is that like Frank C., I wish that they made
the iMac for the Windows OS. I'd probably snatch one up in a
second. Don't know that I'd use it as a primary PC system. But I'd
definitely get one and think about it.
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If I worked in the graphics industry, I wouldn't hestitate
getting an Apple ( they ARE the standard ). Apple did
innovate in a lot of domains ( ie: all the way back to LISA )
and we should be thankful Jobs and Wozniak decided
to "get it on" in their garage in the late seventies. Heck, my
first computer was a IIe and I learned 6502 assembler
on it, but once I hit college IBM pcs were everywhere and
that was the end of of that. There was a slight Mac surge
subsequently but it was too little too late....the standard
was set and Billy G. was well on his way....
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--Geoff [email protected] http://www.pbase.com/geoffreyrcaplan/AOL Instant Messenger:grcaplan2002
 
Just a tiny correction, ColorSync is used by Macs from (I believe) OS 8 to today (OSX)
David Pichevin said:
Ulysses said:
Question: Please help me with "Colorsync".

Is this color profiling built into OS X?
Click to expand...
Correct Sir!

Aside from deciding what you want for your monitor (Gamma,
temperature) you select (or build) profiles that you want to use
for data that you are going to display, print, data input etc...

I am mainly concerned with the display part since I don't print. I
have an Inkjet but I found out that it demanded a considerable
amount of energy to manage to get a good printing result (PC, MAc,
CRT or LCD, doesn't matter) out of an inkjet printer and that I was
much better off (and my wallet too) ordering prints on the web
(OFoto).
--
My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
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--Tom Ferguson http://www.ferguson-photo-design.comF707 Studio Info Page: http://www.pipeline.com/~tomf2468/temp1.html
 
David,

I have gone and looked at them (and yes, at apple retailers, and yes, on in other computer retailers where it is ONE monitor hooked up to ONE computer. Matter of fact, I've seen the 16x9 $2600 LCD hooked up correctly). I am a complete geek to the core, and technology is something I love. I do my research. I know LCDs have come a long way, but as I said, I would not rely on them soley even with as far as they've come. Even the 16x9 expensive LCD is not something I'd rely on quite yet. If you love yours, that's great. As I said, if I had the money I'd buy a new fangled mac, but I would NOT yet rely on it soley.

Amy
David Pichevin said:
SFishy said:
I'll be keeping my eye on Apple very closely, and saving my
pennies... but I can say, I would not RELY on an LCD for my
business right now. I'd hold onto my CRTs until I was sure that
color and sharpness are being represented accurately.
Click to expand...
As we have talked about in this thread, LCDs have come a long way.
The new ones, especially the ones Apple sells, have much better
characteristics. Wider angles, faster response, better contrast and
brightness (they are bright ) and colors are extremely accurate. I
also see a lot more details (in dark areas for example) on my
pictures on this LCD than on the other CRTs that I have, even after
fiddleing with the settings for while).

I know you have to be careful when it's what puts money on the
table, but frankly, you have to go and look at them.
--
My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
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--beauty is really in the LCD/EVF of the beholder http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
 
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