Give Canon a chance...

Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
I lost a lot of faith in Canon with the 30D, I still can't believe
people fork over $1,300 to get this "upgrade". I just find it sad

Most aren't upgrading from the 20D. They are upgrading from the
300D, 350D, 10D, or PnS, etc.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
that a company that once was innovative and pushed the pricing
envelope has become decided to sit back and watch others push new
an innovative features. There is nothing earth shattering or all

They still push the pricing envelop. Their innovations are still inplace.
New innovations have been immplemented, although maybe not exactly
what you want, but you aren't the entire market) and new innovations
are coming. The 30D still has the best IQ of any camera anywhere near
its price... I'll take that over less than critical features.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
that innovative except the price, but many of the features have
been requested from Canon for several years.

Personally I will give Canon until PMA to see what they do, I am
pretty sure we will not see anything new from Canon in the sub $2K

Based on what? What crystal ball do you have?

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
market from Canon until PMA. If Canon was going to release another
lower model DSLR they would have announced it a few weeks ago.

I find it funny that people talk about a companies strategy with such
confidence. I'd love to read your forecast for the coming year so we
validate your pronouncements.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
Just hope we start seeing something innovative soon. The only thing
I have seen really new from Canon in the DSLR world in the past 18
months is learning how to put a bigger LCD on the back of their
camera.

I personally don't care about a dust reduction system, but as far as I
can tell Canon's dust reduction is the best and most innovative all of
the systems that have been announced so far. It would be interesting
to see how they compare under a controlled test.

The Canon 5D was announced 13 months ago. Getting a FF sensor into
a body that is now selling for under $3K is a remarkable achievement.
You may not call it innovation, but it certainly is a market leader. The
1DM2N is a great camera. Nothing in the market compares to it, especially
for sports.

What are you calling innovation?

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
Ed

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Ben_Egbert · Sep 14, 2006

10MP and DigicIII, got to believe that Canon has some new DSLR that exceeds this.

I was ready to fork over $7k US for a new 1DS-mk2 replacement, but all I really need is 20D pixel density and 1-series AF for wildlife, along with 12MP for landscapes. I am not hung up on FF, or weather sealing, a 1.3 crop is just fine. But they need to release it before I am too old to care.

But how could I resist 22MP?

Also is the new 400 whatever the new pixel density target?

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kurth · Sep 14, 2006

For me , the pentax is a great camera for one reason - weather-sealing. But I wouldn't trade systems just for that if all things are considered equal, i.e. image quality. Also , and most c&n owners shun the option , the new sigma sd14 being released might up the ante for IQ. For the moment I'll put my faith in canon , believing they've had just a slight hiccup , and will recover the crown. However when the day comes that the con - side of the list tilts , then I'll have no problem switching. And for those that scream troll at the slightest question of canonfaith - get a life !

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EosSteveMD · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
While I am not planning on selling my Canon gear I am looking at
possible adding the Pentax as my second body since my 10D is dying.
I am really tired of Canon sitting around and delivering second
rate features just because they have market share. This is what IBM
did in the PC world and we see where they are today.

I lost a lot of faith in Canon with the 30D, I still can't believe
people fork over $1,300 to get this "upgrade". I just find it sad
that a company that once was innovative and pushed the pricing
envelope has become decided to sit back and watch others push new
an innovative features. There is nothing earth shattering or all
that innovative except the price, but many of the features have
been requested from Canon for several years.

Personally I will give Canon until PMA to see what they do, I am
pretty sure we will not see anything new from Canon in the sub $2K
market from Canon until PMA. If Canon was going to release another
lower model DSLR they would have announced it a few weeks ago.

Just hope we start seeing something innovative soon. The only thing
I have seen really new from Canon in the DSLR world in the past 18
months is learning how to put a bigger LCD on the back of their
camera.

Ed

peronaly Ed I find this statement to be ridiculous as a 10D owner and now a 30D owner the differences in the 2 cameras are night and day the 30D is a much much better camera what are you looking for?

EosSteveMD · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
Leon,

I keep hearing everywhere that Canon has the best image quality,
and I am happy with the quality I get, but many others are equally
happy with what their DSLRs produce. Other than low light - and
looking at the first 400D samples Canon seems to be losing this
advantage - I see great images from all DSLRs. I don't believe
Canon has an exclusive on image quality, I don't see any DSLR that
is currently on the market that takes images that I would not be
happy with the results. As stated I would probably keep my Canon
just for low light needs.

But I do want a more pro level body, better viewfinder, weather
resistance, bigger buffer, better AF, a true spot meter, maybe
even a dust system although this is not a critical. These features
and more are found on several competing cameras. I have seen posts
on this forum for over 4 years asking for all of these features but
Canon does not seem to feel any of these features are needed on sub
$2K bodies. Since Canon seems to be telling me they don't think
these are important, then like any good consumer I will find a
supplier who will deliver on what I want.

Then buy a 1DsmkII or 1DmkIIn why do people feel they should be getting pro-level performance and features ina mid-range camera body? I guess some people are never happy that quite obvious from reading these forums

Kokopelli_Rocks · Sep 14, 2006

I really don't get all of the Canon apologists on this forum. As stated in the post I said sub $2K and even if I was willing to pay $4k I would not buy a 1D MKII as it is too big and heavy to shoot my style of shooting.

As stated if a company that has the limited resources of Pentax can deliver a camera like the K10 then a company flush with cash like Canon could do a lot better. Instead 18 months after the 20D, Canon's big advancement was a larger LCD.

I think Phil summed up Canon in his comments on the new G7 "Disappointingly what it doesn't have is a raw mode, which appears to have been completely dropped by Canon for its compact models - presumably to protect the sales of entry-level digital SLRs."

Canon continues to strip features from lower end cameras to protect the sales of higher end cameras. You are welcome to fall into their model, but I will probably use the free market to go to a company that does not play these games.

Ed

Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Nathan Yan said:
It's a bit frustrating with the camera market. As someone who's
just jumping in (have a little bit of Canon gear, but I'm oh so

In one way it may be frustrating, but remember this is due to the rapid
improvements in digital photography. I'd prefer a rapidly improving
technology than a stagnant, infererior one.

Nathan Yan said:
tempted by the D80 and possibly K10D - although the Pentax doesn't
exactly "look" like a full-manual SLR (where are all the
controls?)). On one hand, there are a ton of competitors who seem
innovative - I think the list goes Pentax, Sony, Nikon, and Canon
at the moment, with Canon being WAY behind everyone else.

Canon offers some excellent choices as do its competitors. How many
of those innovations from other companies are must haves over IQ?
Do we even know what the IQ of the K10D is going to be like yet?

Nathan Yan said:
But like others have said, you're investing more into the system
than any individual body. I'd find it very hard to go outside of
either Canon or Nikon, simply because the lens selection and
availability isn't there. The other question besides lens is the

And some of the lenses can be very expensive ala Konica-Minolta.

Nathan Yan said:
long term - personally, I don't know how invested Sony will get
into the camera business - it takes good R&D to produce lenses and
bodies, and perhaps they'll just keep building off of
Konica-Minolta stuff? Pentax just doesn't seem to have nearly the
capital that Nikon and Canon has. Something tells me that someday
(in a few years maybe), someone's going to come up with something
that's going to revolutionize sensor technology, much more than

Maybe. The most likely places for improvement I think are in dynamic
range and bit depth. Lower noise at current or higher pixel densities is
going to be hard to achieve.

Nathan Yan said:
improved pixel density here or SnR there - and at the present time
I'd have to bet that it'll be Canon - they've got the biggest
muscle from leading in sales, and they're actually manufacturing

It depends on margins, sales, how they allocate profits internally to
R&D to different divisions, and of course engineering success. I'd half
to agree with you that they are the most likely to come up with a
major innovation, but this could also come from some other source
too, like a university lab or small company that doesn't even make
consumer products.

Nathan Yan said:
their own chips, unlike Nikon (and others?) who are focusing on
their bodies and lenses and leaving the sensor for Sony to handle.

It will be fun to see what happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if we
are surprised...

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Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
I really don't get all of the Canon apologists on this forum. As
stated in the post I said sub $2K and even if I was willing to pay
$4k I would not buy a 1D MKII as it is too big and heavy to shoot
my style of shooting.

As stated if a company that has the limited resources of Pentax can
deliver a camera like the K10 then a company flush with cash like

We don't even know the image quality of the K10 yet, so when you say
camera like the K10 you seem to be ignoriing its image quality.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
Canon could do a lot better. Instead 18 months after the 20D,
Canon's big advancement was a larger LCD.

The 30D LCD is not only larger, it is brighter and has a wider viewing angle.
The 30D has a spot meter (there were those clamoring for it).
The continuous shooting speed was selectable between 3 and 5 fps.
They added an RGB histogram.
They increased the buffer size to shoot 30 to 80% more JPEG or RAW shots,
respectively.
They added ISO in the viewfinder when changing it.
They added picture styles.

Maybe you don't want these features or think they are a big deal, but how
many 30D owners do you think would trade their cameras in for a new 20D
and $200USD?

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
I think Phil summed up Canon in his comments on the new G7
"Disappointingly what it doesn't have is a raw mode, which appears
to have been completely dropped by Canon for its compact models -
presumably to protect the sales of entry-level digital SLRs."

I think the depth of your analysis is a bit lacking. These cameras arean't
even in the same category or class and how many G6 users as a percentage
know what RAW is, ever use it, or own the software to use it? I doubt it
is higher than 1-2 percent. Its probably about the same for the 350D owner.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
Canon continues to strip features from lower end cameras to protect
the sales of higher end cameras. You are welcome to fall into their
model, but I will probably use the free market to go to a company
that does not play these games.

They play the "we'll give them features to make up for an inferior sensor
game". Obviously everyone chooses what they buy and then has to
live with their purchase. Happy shooting...

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
Ed

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EosSteveMD · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
I really don't get all of the Canon apologists on this forum. As
stated in the post I said sub $2K and even if I was willing to pay
$4k I would not buy a 1D MKII as it is too big and heavy to shoot
my style of shooting.

As stated if a company that has the limited resources of Pentax can
deliver a camera like the K10 then a company flush with cash like
Canon could do a lot better. Instead 18 months after the 20D,
Canon's big advancement was a larger LCD.

I think Phil summed up Canon in his comments on the new G7
"Disappointingly what it doesn't have is a raw mode, which appears
to have been completely dropped by Canon for its compact models -
presumably to protect the sales of entry-level digital SLRs."

Canon continues to strip features from lower end cameras to protect
the sales of higher end cameras. You are welcome to fall into their
model, but I will probably use the free market to go to a company
that does not play these games.

Ed

happy trails tell us when you put your lenses up on ebay ok?

Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Greenville said:
But I do want a more pro level body, better viewfinder, weather
resistance, bigger buffer, better AF, a true spot meter, maybe
even a dust system although this is not a critical. These features
and more are found on several competing cameras. I have seen posts
on this forum for over 4 years asking for all of these features but
Canon does not seem to feel any of these features are needed on sub
$2K bodies. Since Canon seems to be telling me they don't think

No. Dust reduction is on the 400D. It is sub $1000K.
The 30D buffer was increased over the 20D.
A true spot meter is on the 30D (what is your definition of true and why
is it the correct definition?).
The AF on the 30D was improved over the 20D.

Sounds like you are making incorrect assertions just to justify your
bias.

Kokopelli_Rocks said:
these are important, then like any good consumer I will find a
supplier who will deliver on what I want.

Ed

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frodaddi · Sep 14, 2006

I often wonder if it would be possible / useful to provide an ISO lower than 100. 50? 25? 12? We all realize the benefits of high ISO for low light, but low ISO would be great for situations like daylight fill flash, panning, long exposures in bright light, etc.

Seems like providing lower ISO would be easy to do and not come with the noise problems that high ISO does. Or am I missing something? Is there some reason this would not work?

Kevin.

endus · Sep 14, 2006

I think it's ridiculous to complain about the noise. I recently shot some film for the first time in a long time and realized just how smooth digital really is.

In any case, there are four things I want in my next camera, even though I'm not going to get them all. It's al been crystalizing in my mind lately. Here they are in order...

1 - Better viewfinder. I've been shooting some film on my Elan lately and have come to realize why it's so hard to get bang-on compositon on the 20D....the view finder sucks. It's too small.

2 - Full Frame sensor. Crop factor is a joke.

3 - More dynamic range. Seems to be impossible but this would be huge.

4 - 12MP+

Thats it....

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Paul Guy · Sep 14, 2006

Charles Musgrave said:
The 30D LCD is not only larger, it is brighter and has a wider
viewing angle.

big deal... it's unreadable in sunlight. The 400D probably IS "bright" but not the 30D. I have one and a 10D, and the 10D is like day and night. Have you seen one in action? Have you tried to assess framing or even RGB histogram in sunlight with a 30D? Confirming pics with the client on site is a real pain in the behind with the 30D. Yes sometimes even a touchy subject likes to see what I just did and if it's OK to use that image.

Charles Musgrave said:
They added picture styles.

whoaaa that's innovative

Charles Musgrave said:
but how
many 30D owners do you think would trade their cameras in for a new
20D
and $200USD?

compared to the 20D (that I didn't own but test drove for a day), the bigger screen is a nice plus. Both are crâp in sunlight, but at least on the 30D in moderate light you see what you're doing and the viewing angle is neat. I'd still take a super bright small LCD over a huge dim one, though.

Charles Musgrave said:
They play the "we'll give them features to make up for an inferior
sensor game".

The feature which Canon truly lacks in regard to the competition, is the AF. Come on, that lowly Pentax has 9 cross-type sensors!! Even 1D series only have 7... I know, I know, the 1D must have better cross-types than the Pentax but compared to a 30D I'm sure "lousy" Pentax cross-type sensors are still better than normal Canon sensors at grabbing horizontal contrast in difficult situations. There's a reason why I only use the center point on my 5D and 30D and that is the cross-type sensivity. Or maybe the outer sensors just suck.
See, I'd love to stop focusing and recomposing but I can't...

The good thing is that Canon will have to answer VERY fast to these Sony and Pentax and Nikon... You don't brag about marginally better IQ forever when you're selling a warmed-up 8MP design with limited AF and without anti-dust. I can live without the anto-dust like I always did for 4 years. But it'd be nice to be able to clean a sensor in the middle of a wedding, for example. Especially on the 5D.

"Lock them in the system with the glass they bought"
...that's where I am.

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

brianric · Sep 14, 2006

Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you go to Nikon/Pentax.

Greenville said:
Lets see - I have owned Canon cameras for over 25 years and now I
am a troll for posting a negative message about Canon's boring and
poor upgrades. I guess if the honest truth about Canon's serious
lack of innovation is that hard for you to hear about then maybe
you should stay off line.

I would love to See Canon be innovative and push the market like
the use to just 18 months ago. I too have a serious investment in
Canon and it will be sad to have to move on from Canon. But I find
some of the features of the new Pentax and Nikon DSLRs very nice.
They don't deliberately hold back features from their lower end
cameras to protect their higher end sales. Sadly this seems to be
the main driving force in Canon product design.

Call me a troll if you like, but it is just but many others here
feel the same way I do and are seriously questioning their future
with Canon. If a company with the small resources of Pentax can
release a camera with the feature set of the K10 for under a $1K it
makes you wonder what Canon could do if they really put their
efforts into the market.

Like I said I will give Canon until PMA, winter is fast approaching
so I don't see any reason to buy new equipment right now. I will
see what Canon can come up with, but it they don't put out more
than just an Elan based body in their sub $2K market then I will
will probably start looking elsewhere.

I guess you can keep going around and calling all of us long time
Canon users who are very disappointed in Canon, trolls, but this
won't keep me from being honest in how I feel. My responses are
honest responses to the OPs original message. Nothing would please
me more than to see Canon come out with a world class, category
leading sub $2K body. Canon has the resources and technology to
create the best camera on the market, but why they don't just seems
a mystery to me.

Ed

Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

The 30D LCD is not only larger, it is brighter and has a wider
viewing angle.

Click to expand...

big deal... it's unreadable in sunlight. The 400D probably IS
"bright" but not the 30D. I have one and a 10D, and the 10D is like

I said "brighter".

Paul Guy said:
day and night. Have you seen one in action? Have you tried to
assess framing or even RGB histogram in sunlight with a 30D?

Yes. It's worse with the 20D.

Paul Guy said:
Confirming pics with the client on site is a real pain in the
behind with the 30D. Yes sometimes even a touchy subject likes to
see what I just did and if it's OK to use that image.

You must create real confidence in your clients!

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

They added picture styles.

Click to expand...

whoaaa that's innovative

This was in response to "advancements" in the 30D. Not innovations.

Paul Guy said:
compared to the 20D (that I didn't own but test drove for a day),
the bigger screen is a nice plus. Both are crâp in sunlight, but at

I have a 20D. The 30D bigger viewfinder makes a big difference to me.

Paul Guy said:
least on the 30D in moderate light you see what you're doing and
the viewing angle is neat. I'd still take a super bright small LCD
over a huge dim one, though.

That's why I wrote brighter, and not bright.

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

They play the "we'll give them features to make up for an inferior
sensor game".

Click to expand...

The feature which Canon truly lacks in regard to the competition,
is the AF. Come on, that lowly Pentax has 9 cross-type sensors!!
Even 1D series only have 7... I know, I know, the 1D must have
better cross-types than the Pentax but compared to a 30D I'm sure
"lousy" Pentax cross-type sensors are still better than normal
Canon sensors at grabbing horizontal contrast in difficult
situations. There's a reason why I only use the center point on my
5D and 30D and that is the cross-type sensivity. Or maybe the outer
sensors just suck.

I usually look at what the focus sensors are sensing and determine whether

there is a possibility for focusing on background horizontal contrast. Cross-type
sensors are smart, but I am smarter.

Paul Guy said:
See, I'd love to stop focusing and recomposing but I can't...

Only bothers me in very shallow DOF situations where recomposing takes the
off center subject out of focus. I don't loose more than about 5% of my shots
due to poor focus under difficult circumstances.

Paul Guy said:
The good thing is that Canon will have to answer VERY fast to these
Sony and Pentax and Nikon... You don't brag about marginally better
IQ forever when you're selling a warmed-up 8MP design with limited
AF and without anti-dust. I can live without the anto-dust like I

Is anti-dust important to you? I haven't cleaned my sensor in more than
10,000 accuations. Tested my sensor last week and had very little visible
dust which never shows up at "normal" aperatures. 5D is a different story.

Paul Guy said:
always did for 4 years. But it'd be nice to be able to clean a
sensor in the middle of a wedding, for example. Especially on the
5D.

That's what assistants are for...

Paul Guy said:
"Lock them in the system with the glass they bought"
...that's where I am.

You think Pentax is a better long term bet than Canon - that if
you weren't already invested in Canon glass Pentax provides you
with all you need? What Pentax camera would replace your 5D?

Paul Guy said:
' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

Nope.

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Paul Guy · Sep 14, 2006

endus said:
1 - Better viewfinder. I've been shooting some film on my Elan
lately and have come to realize why it's so hard to get bang-on
compositon on the 20D....the view finder sucks. It's too small.
2 - Full Frame sensor. Crop factor is a joke.
3 - More dynamic range. Seems to be impossible but this would be
huge.
4 - 12MP+

That's the 5D, shot in RAW and processed with ACR. Dynamic range can be quite nice when processed properly (colors are another thing though).

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

Paul Guy · Sep 14, 2006

Charles Musgrave said:
I said "brighter".

OK

Charles Musgrave said:
Yes. It's worse with the 20D.

probably, but not by much

Charles Musgrave said:
You must create real confidence in your clients!

you don't make a teenage-old complex vanish in 5 minutes ;-)

sometimes people just want to check. I also am sure they know their flaws better than me like "I don't like my ears under a certain angle". My last bride told me about her ears when I hadn't even noticed her ears had anything special. She didn't request a feedback check on-site but she could have...

Charles Musgrave said:
This was in response to "advancements" in the 30D. Not innovations.

OK

Charles Musgrave said:
I have a 20D. The 30D bigger viewfinder makes a big difference to me.

the 30D has a bigger VF than the 20D? (serious question)

Charles Musgrave said:
That's why I wrote brighter, and not bright.

OK

Charles Musgrave said:
I usually look at what the focus sensors are sensing and determine
whether
there is a possibility for focusing on background horizontal
contrast. Cross-type
sensors are smart, but I am smarter.

Me too but on monday I faced a situations where I had to rely on AI-Servo and multiple AF sensors to track a group of black suits with white shirts... the black featureless suits were mostly visible, and the shirt areas quite small, therefore it's important to have more sensitive sensors to grab the shirts. Yes a shirt under a suit is mostly vertical but hey, you never know how it might help.

Charles Musgrave said:
Only bothers me in very shallow DOF situations where recomposing
takes the
off center subject out of focus. I don't loose more than about 5%
of my shots
due to poor focus under difficult circumstances.

Only bothers me for the time lost recomposing. I'm not that maniac regarding DoF. Most of the time the subject is still sharp but I waste time going back and forth because I like to shoot off-center.

Charles Musgrave said:
Is anti-dust important to you?

yes on the 5D

Charles Musgrave said:
That's what assistants are for...

me or assistant it's still a human messing around with a stick inside a mirror box in a fast-moving environment. Anti-dust system means one less tool to carry all day.

Charles Musgrave said:
with all you need? What Pentax camera would replace your 5D?

true, true. That's the 5D's well-known selling point.

Charles Musgrave said:
' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

Nope.

I wasn't being rude and you know it ;-)

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

endus · Sep 14, 2006

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

1 - Better viewfinder. I've been shooting some film on my Elan
lately and have come to realize why it's so hard to get bang-on
compositon on the 20D....the view finder sucks. It's too small.
2 - Full Frame sensor. Crop factor is a joke.
3 - More dynamic range. Seems to be impossible but this would be
huge.
4 - 12MP+

Click to expand...

That's the 5D, shot in RAW and processed with ACR. Dynamic range
can be quite nice when processed properly (colors are another thing
though).

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

Don't remind me. Other than the DR, yea, pretty much that's exactly what I want. Honestly, the viewfinder thing has become so critical for me that I am thinking of getting the 5d for it. I wanted the 5d for wide shots for a while, but if the viewfinder is really that much better I'm sold!
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Charles Musgrave · Sep 14, 2006

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

You must create real confidence in your clients!

Click to expand...

you don't make a teenage-old complex vanish in 5 minutes ;-)
sometimes people just want to check. I also am sure they know their
flaws better than me like "I don't like my ears under a certain
angle". My last bride told me about her ears when I hadn't even
noticed her ears had anything special. She didn't request a
feedback check on-site but she could have...

It is good to get their input, even if it isn't logical because their biases
are going to affect what they think is a good photo. Then again, it would
be good if they realized you know your job...

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

I have a 20D. The 30D bigger viewfinder makes a big difference to me.

Click to expand...

the 30D has a bigger VF than the 20D? (serious question)

My mistake. I was thinking viewing the LCD and wrote viewfinder. Should
be LCD. Sorry I made you think you got an early prototype 30D!

Paul Guy said:
Me too but on monday I faced a situations where I had to rely on
AI-Servo and multiple AF sensors to track a group of black suits
with white shirts... the black featureless suits were mostly
visible, and the shirt areas quite small, therefore it's important
to have more sensitive sensors to grab the shirts. Yes a shirt
under a suit is mostly vertical but hey, you never know how it
might help.

Some scenes are just tough, especially if they are moving and involve
verticles with horizontals in the background.

Paul Guy said:
Only bothers me for the time lost recomposing. I'm not that maniac
regarding DoF. Most of the time the subject is still sharp but I
waste time going back and forth because I like to shoot off-center.

It is time lost, but it doesn't seem to be enough to bother me. If I didn't
have to do this with a new camera, and then went back and had to do
the focus centerpoint and recompose thing I think I would probably really
be bothered.

Paul Guy said:
me or assistant it's still a human messing around with a stick
inside a mirror box in a fast-moving environment. Anti-dust system
means one less tool to carry all day.

I'll defer to your experience here. I haven't had a dust problem on my
cropped sensor cameras so it isn't something I worry about. I am also
careful when changing lenses, etc.

Paul Guy said:
Paul Guy said:

with all you need? What Pentax camera would replace your 5D?

Click to expand...

true, true. That's the 5D's well-known selling point.

Paul Guy said:

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '

Nope.

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I wasn't being rude and you know it ;-)

I have been in Paris five times in the past four years. In January I was only in
Paris two days and spent most of my time on a PhD committee (done in French!)
in Toulouse. Not one person was rude to me. I was very disappointed for I feel I
missed out on a real French experience. You can help make up for that though

--
Chasm

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