Visible Dust for Sensor Cleaning? I DON'T THINK SO! Look1 Picture!

Bjorne · Sep 12, 2006

I am so sorry, this was really stupid of me

Does this make your day better?

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Bjorne

Peter Berressem · Sep 12, 2006

You likely remember Petteri Sulonen's findings?
http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/How_to/a_Brush_Your_Sensor/a_Brush_Your_Sensor.html

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cheers, Peter

Germany

superrune · Sep 12, 2006

Bjørn, if you watch this thread in "threaded" view, you will see that the comment was directed at the original poster and not to you.

Cheers, Rune

Bjorne · Sep 12, 2006

Thanks, I'll see it now.
Was a bit suprised of twagenknecht's komment on my posting...

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Bjorne

Savas Kyprianides · Sep 12, 2006

I somehow knew enough to get Chamber Clean from the start. I am no genius and somehow I got the message regarding lubricants in the chamber. And I am not even using VD brushes. I got Copperhill stuff for the rest.

Jim F. · Sep 12, 2006

twagenknecht said:
Number 1) When posting a rant...SPELLCHECK. This makes you look
less stupid.

Assuming you're responding to the OP....

What crawled up your behind before you wrote this? Should we go back through your posts and look for spelling errors, and then when found, point out how stupid you were? Chill out.....

twagenknecht said:
Number 2) The Visible Dust product is only as good as the user.
Apparently you have not yet reached the level that the product
requires. I have it, and it works fine...AND I shoot in some really
bad conditions, changing the lenses and found that the brushes,
when used CORRECTLY work just fine...AS ADVERTISED.

Are you ovely defensive or what? Disappointed that you spent $100 on a $2.00 item and need to find a way to justify your foolish purchase?

twagenknecht said:
Number 3) If you don't have something positive to contribute, then
shut up.

I agree, why don't you take your own advice......

Diane B · Sep 12, 2006

DerekHill said:
As per their instructions you must degrease the chamber of the 5D
and all 1 series cameras. If you don't the brusch may pick up
lubricant and smear it on your sensor. Looks like that's what
happended. They do instruct this clearly on their web site.
Derek Hill

I'm curious who else degreases their 5D/1D chambers? There are many here using the Copperhill method---both with that brush and the Eclipse method. Are any of them degreasing the chamber---and, if so, how?

Diane
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Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries

narayana · Sep 12, 2006

Same with ANY camera, so your experience, wrath, disappointment and comments apply to ANY machine with interchangeable lenses. Anti-staic treatments and dust traps dont work/last forever. The videos demonstrating the gently falling shaken flakes onto sticky pads etc also leave out the fact that, of course, it all depends on whether the camera is vertical when you do it, and whether or not any particles float and dont fall.

A huge vibrating piece of machinery certainly creates quite a breeze in there, so........
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narayana

Diane B · Sep 12, 2006

Diane B said:
any of them degreasing the chamber---and,
if so, how?

Reread the site http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/methods.html and found that Eclipse works as well as Chamber Clean--and since I have lots of Eclipse, that's what I'll use. I haven't cleaned my chamber but it seems to me to be good preventive maintenance---helping keep goo off the sensor in the future when I only want to brush the sensor.

Diane
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Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries

alex164079 · Sep 12, 2006

BOB,

Thank you! Do you have an idea how much will it cost for canon to do it for me?

I am a little reluctant to attempt now that my self esteem is shaken in cleaning the sensor?
Thank you agan for your post on your site.

Alex

fstop said:
I actually had the same exact problem the first time I cleaned my
5D with a brush except I had about twice as much lubricant as you
are showing. It took about 15 pecpads on a wand to get it all off.
It was quite a challange and a little scarry to do, but in the end
my sensor was clean of the stuff.

I think the next time I use the brush on my 5D I will try not to
let the brissels go off of the sensor side and pick up grease that
may be below. I never had a problem using the same brush with my
10D.

Please check out http://www.bobestrin.com/cleansensor for an article I
wrote on not only cleaning your sensors but helpful hints on how to
keep it cleaner in-between cleanings.

--
Bob

http://www.bobestrin.com

alex164079 · Sep 12, 2006

Exactly, twagenknecht. But I think te one who is stupid is YOU, having the nerve to write
a post like this on a thread in which everyone is trying to be helpful.

I think you should try some anger management therapy, but do it ASAP, these things can get out of control, you know.....

twagenknecht said:
Number 1) When posting a rant...SPELLCHECK. This makes you look
less stupid.

Number 2) The Visible Dust product is only as good as the user.
Apparently you have not yet reached the level that the product
requires. I have it, and it works fine...AND I shoot in some really
bad conditions, changing the lenses and found that the brushes,
when used CORRECTLY work just fine...AS ADVERTISED.

Number 3) If you don't have something positive to contribute, then
shut up.

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It is all about the moment…
once passed…never retrieved…
once captured…never forgotten.

This IS the essence of photography

alex164079 · Sep 12, 2006

Exactly, twagenknecht. But I think te one who is stupid is YOU, having the nerve to write
a post like this on a thread in which everyone is trying to be helpful.

I think you should try some anger management therapy, but do it ASAP, these things can get out of control, you know.....

twagenknecht said:
Number 1) When posting a rant...SPELLCHECK. This makes you look
less stupid.

Number 2) The Visible Dust product is only as good as the user.
Apparently you have not yet reached the level that the product
requires. I have it, and it works fine...AND I shoot in some really
bad conditions, changing the lenses and found that the brushes,
when used CORRECTLY work just fine...AS ADVERTISED.

Number 3) If you don't have something positive to contribute, then
shut up.

--
It is all about the moment…
once passed…never retrieved…
once captured…never forgotten.

This IS the essence of photography

bladerunner168 · Sep 13, 2006

get the sensor cleaned professionally! I took my 1DMK2 to Fixation, London, UK yesterday, they are an Authorised Canon Service company. Paid GBP 29.38, not cheap.......but not exactly extortionate!

Now I have peace of mind that if was done properly by trained individuals.

alex164079 · Sep 13, 2006

EXACTLY, bladerunner168,

I wouldn't mind paying twice that just to have a piece of mind. Can you imagine my frustration
when I checked the sensor after cleaning?

I got the brush when I bought my 1DS mark2, to have just in case I needed urgent cleaning
but never had to clean it for 18 months I owned it.

Thank you for your post.

alex

bladerunner168 said:
get the sensor cleaned professionally! I took my 1DMK2 to Fixation,
London, UK yesterday, they are an Authorised Canon Service company.
Paid GBP 29.38, not cheap.......but not exactly extortionate!

Now I have peace of mind that if was done properly by trained
individuals.

Chris Epler · Sep 13, 2006

Ken Phillips said:
If that mess is mirror mechanism lube (which it is!!), you are
bad-mouthing Visible Dust for nothing!!

Hmmm...so if it's mirror mechanism lube you get a $95 discount on a Visible Dust brush? Interesting!

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Chris A. Epler - K4UNX

Tim Wright · Sep 13, 2006

If you had read the specific warnings about the 5D (posted in large red letters) you wouldn't have had the problems.

http://www.visibledust.com/technology.php?TCID=4

I have used their products on my d60, 10d, 1dmkII and my 5D and never had a problem.

But I did read all the info on their site about cleaning the different cameras.

PicOne · Sep 13, 2006

LOL.. this large red-lettered warning appears on a page that's the 4th dropdown page of the 5th category (Technology) from the home page.. so the OP is to blame for not having read the entire website?

I agree with prior posts by others that this "warning" should appear in the instruction page for using the VD brush. Just so everyone knows what this warning is buried in the "Technology" section:

"Important: if you own the Canon 1D Mark II, Canon 1Ds, 1Ds Mark II or the NEW 5D, read this first to PREVENT SMEARING your sensor!!!"

Funny that you should "read this first" given where they've placed this info you must read.

Heck.. I bet VD would even sell a lot more Chamber Clear if they put this warning in their brush instructions.

Tim Wright said:
If you had read the specific warnings about the 5D (posted in large
red letters) you wouldn't have had the problems.

http://www.visibledust.com/technology.php?TCID=4

I have used their products on my d60, 10d, 1dmkII and my 5D and
never had a problem.

But I did read all the info on their site about cleaning the
different cameras.

Jack Lin · Sep 13, 2006

I actually own a Lenspen and really like it, but I didn't know they make a SensorKlear until I read about it here.

Question, is the cleaning tip of the SensorKlear square shaped? I am wondering because if it's a circle shaped tip, wouldn't it be really difficult to clean the corners of the sensors? I tried to find the info on the lenspen website but couldn't find any. What are your experiences?

Thanks.
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Jack

Tim Wright · Sep 13, 2006

Actually I thought it was in their instruction sheet that came with the product but I would have to check that. My point was, there is more to cleaning the sensor and inside of the camera than just a simple blow it off with a rocket and wipe it down with a pec pad. Before I did it the first time I researched what needed to be done to protect my expensive cameras from damage.

chadderuski · Sep 13, 2006

Thanks Peter,

That was exactly the link I was talking about! Very well done site, and show a person how to test the brush first to see if in fact it is save to use. A MUST read for anyone planning on going this route. And a good way to test your Visible Dust Sensor Brush first before using....

My only rebuttal is:

How many hours will you spend driving around looking for a brush, testing them to see if they work, etc? Is it REALLY worth the effort?

-CJ

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