Upgrade 10D to 400D?

DRP179766 · Aug 27, 2006

I would wait and get the 40D (or whatever they will call it). I think they are likely planning a truly new body design for this unit. I would guess that the basic feature set will include all of the new things like dust control, 10mp sensor, etc..., but it will be housed in the new magnesium whether sealed body. I would also guess that will have much more in depth manual control options, and it will also likely shoot at 5fps.

My gues is also that this will be available in February.

mfurman · Aug 27, 2006

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DavidMaven · Aug 27, 2006

I own a 10D and 20D. Both take pics as fine as when they where new.

I'll wait for the dust-busting replacement of the 30D before I get a new camera.

Other issues: I use RSP for raw conversion (DPP color is great, but workflow stinks), and a 400D won't be supported by (dead) RSP; I'll have to wait for Adobe Lightroom to support 400D.

Also, I want to carry only one type of battery/charger permutation. I can exchange all my batteries and chargers between 10D, 20D, 30D, and presumably the follow-on to the 30D.

Duane Bong said:
What do you guys think of moving from a 10D to a 400D? My 10D is
rather old now, and it's a few generations behind. The differences:

Both are 3fps
10D has better ergonomics
400D has a better AF
400D has faster CF write speed
400D has extra 4 megapixels
400D has the dust buster
400D can take ef-s lenses
400D has bigger LCD
400D has better ISO performance
400D has faster startup time
400D has picture styles

Seems to me that moving from the 20D/30D to a 400D can be a
downgrade in some ways. But for those still hanging on to the 10D,
there's almost no downside apart from the lack of a top LCD and 1
of the control wheels.

Anyone else still with a 10D looking to make this move?

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Victor Engel · Aug 27, 2006

The 10D may be a few generations behind, but unless the 400D made a remarkable improvement, it still has the cleanest images at low ISO. All the hoopla of the great noise performance of the 20D and 30D refer to high ISO. The 10D outperforms them at low ISO, in terms of noise.

Of the rest of the items you mentioned, faster write speed and better AF would attract me, but the rest are ho-hum items for me.

Duane Bong said:
What do you guys think of moving from a 10D to a 400D? My 10D is
rather old now, and it's a few generations behind. The differences:

Both are 3fps
10D has better ergonomics
400D has a better AF
400D has faster CF write speed
400D has extra 4 megapixels
400D has the dust buster
400D can take ef-s lenses
400D has bigger LCD
400D has better ISO performance
400D has faster startup time
400D has picture styles

Seems to me that moving from the 20D/30D to a 400D can be a
downgrade in some ways. But for those still hanging on to the 10D,
there's almost no downside apart from the lack of a top LCD and 1
of the control wheels.

Anyone else still with a 10D looking to make this move?

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T3 · Aug 27, 2006

Victor Engel said:
The 10D may be a few generations behind, but unless the 400D made a
remarkable improvement, it still has the cleanest images at low
ISO. All the hoopla of the great noise performance of the 20D and
30D refer to high ISO. The 10D outperforms them at low ISO, in
terms of noise.

I don't think anyone is complaining about noise levels at low ISO from any of the cameras. I had a 10D and 20D (eventually sold the 10D), and I didn't see the 10D 'outperforming' the 20D "at low ISO, in terms of noise". At low ISO, there's hardly any noise from either camera.

Torque124 · Aug 28, 2006

You going to have to prove that statement ; I had a 300D before my 20D , and I can tell you that the 20D is better.. ( AFAIK the 300D was identical in sensor / processor to 10D ) . How much better ? Not much , but better none the less.

It is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade from 10D to 400D. If you don't like the dustbuster , turn it off ; you can.

I know I would if I bought it .

Victor Engel said:
Of the rest of the items you mentioned, faster write speed and
better AF would attract me, but the rest are ho-hum items for me.

Duane Bong said:

What do you guys think of moving from a 10D to a 400D? My 10D is
rather old now, and it's a few generations behind. The differences:

Both are 3fps
10D has better ergonomics
400D has a better AF
400D has faster CF write speed
400D has extra 4 megapixels
400D has the dust buster
400D can take ef-s lenses
400D has bigger LCD
400D has better ISO performance
400D has faster startup time
400D has picture styles

Seems to me that moving from the 20D/30D to a 400D can be a
downgrade in some ways. But for those still hanging on to the 10D,
there's almost no downside apart from the lack of a top LCD and 1
of the control wheels.

Anyone else still with a 10D looking to make this move?

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cheekymonkeyboi · Aug 28, 2006

haha, or if you're asian!

btw...i can say that becuase i am asian. and yes, the grip on the xt is pretty much perfect for me.
i just got a handstrap, and that's helped a lot too.

Martin Eldridge · Aug 28, 2006

I have just logged onto DPF and was amused by the Title of this thread, Upgrade 10D to 400D, are you having a laugh, just because the 400D has more pixels it doesn't make it an upgrade, yesterday I bought a 30D now thats what I call an upgrade... If you get the 400D I hope you've got very small hands and don't own any Lenses over 100mm long... I couldn't believe how small it was.
Martin,

fusionphoto · Aug 28, 2006

I'm sticking with my 10D, it does all I ask it to do with the type of pic I take and I don't find the 6MP a limitation at all as I tend to crop in the camera anyways. It will be replaced when I can afford a 1Ds...

Duane Bong · Aug 28, 2006

Apart from the pixels, there are many things in which the 400D is more advanced than the 10D - even something as critical as the 9 point AF for example. In fact, I had a list of about 10 things in my original post.

The 10D now only has ergonomics as an advantage, which I admit is important, and why I didn't bite with the previous generation 350D. But the 400D has continued to build on the feature set, and it's getting hard to ignore all the small updates when they've snowballed over several generations.

As for the long lenses, I have the 70-200L and the 100-400L. When using these lenses on the 10D, I hold the combined set by the barrel of the lens. In either case, I can't hold it from the camera body any more - the size and weight of a large lens just requires that you hold it differently.

Martin Eldridge said:
I have just logged onto DPF and was amused by the Title of this
thread, Upgrade 10D to 400D, are you having a laugh, just because
the 400D has more pixels it doesn't make it an upgrade, yesterday I
bought a 30D now thats what I call an upgrade... If you get the
400D I hope you've got very small hands and don't own any Lenses
over 100mm long... I couldn't believe how small it was.
Martin,

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Duane Bong · Aug 28, 2006

Dust cleaning has been around with no problems for years on the Oly kit. Given that Canon has had a few extra years to come up with their version, I doubt there'll be too many problems with it.

But then again, we often find ourselves to be part of the "unofficial canon beta test program" whenever they release a new camera.

alexmih1 said:
This Dust Cleaning stuff is way too new to jump in right away with
a new camera

Wait a model and see if this new feature is really worth it and
really works, or maybe it wil cause more problems than people
suspect.

If it works, it will be improved most likely in the next model, or
at least tweaked

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Duane Bong · Aug 28, 2006

Good point about the RAW. I shoot in RAW too, and forgot that all of my current software won't work with the new 400D - at least until they are updated.

Would love a dust busting 30D replacement... only wondering how long more I will have to wait, and how much I'm missing out on the advantages of the 400D in the mean time.

DavidMaven said:
I own a 10D and 20D. Both take pics as fine as when they where new.

I'll wait for the dust-busting replacement of the 30D before I get
a new camera.

Other issues: I use RSP for raw conversion (DPP color is great, but
workflow stinks), and a 400D won't be supported by (dead) RSP; I'll
have to wait for Adobe Lightroom to support 400D.

Also, I want to carry only one type of battery/charger permutation.
I can exchange all my batteries and chargers between 10D, 20D, 30D,
and presumably the follow-on to the 30D.

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mfurman · Aug 28, 2006

I am not sure how you use long lenses but I "put camera on the tele lens". The size of the camear does not matter because you are not holding your camera.
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'People are crazy and times are strange, I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range, I used to care, but things have changed' - Bob Dylan

Duane Bong · Aug 28, 2006

Same as you Michael! When the long lenses the situation is completely reversed. You mount the camera on the lens, not the lens on the camera

mfurman said:
I am not sure how you use long lenses but I "put camera on the tele
lens". The size of the camear does not matter because you are not
holding your camera.

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Torque124 · Aug 28, 2006

Sell it while you can ! I can see 10D's fetching about 400 US on ebay...

If it is one think I would like to own ; it is the 17-55 f/2.8 IS EF-S

fusionphoto said:
I'm sticking with my 10D, it does all I ask it to do with the type
of pic I take and I don't find the 6MP a limitation at all as I
tend to crop in the camera anyways. It will be replaced when I can
afford a 1Ds...

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mfurman · Aug 28, 2006

If 400D has comparable noise level to 30D, I will buy it. If not, I will eat my humble pie and buy 30D again (I will pay no more than what I sold it for). I do care about 10 Mpixels (long telephoto) and dust removal. I do not care about body design.
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Michael

'People are crazy and times are strange, I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range, I used to care, but things have changed' - Bob Dylan

Martin Eldridge · Aug 28, 2006

10D to 400D is NO upgrade, just because it got more pixels...!

Hi, The 10D is a really good camera and built to last I got mine in 2003, yesterday I finally decided to upgrade and got the 30D, I took the flower picture last week in my garden with the 10D.

It would be interesting to take a similar picture with the 30D and see how they compares.
Martin

Blaize · Aug 28, 2006

Battery:
One Battery Pack NB-2LH

Number of Shots:

Approx. 500 (73°F/23°C, flash off), approx. 370 (32°F/0°C, flash off)

Not very impressive at all.

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Alessandro Di Sciascio · Aug 28, 2006

sureshmysore said:
It may have been important in the PRE- raw and photoshop days but
today the vast majority of the images can be fixed for proper
exposure which is satisfactory for the ordinary shooter.

I'll wait for the next upgrade and see what I think, but I too lust after the 30D's spotmeter.

And yes I do process my photos in Raw... but frankly your statement doesn't hold much water for me... I'd much rather have the control of a spotmeter and then RAW's headroom AROUND the point I'm going for, rather than having to hope that RAW's headroom gets me out of a bind.

Alessandro

P.S. Hoping Canon puts 4+ stops of exposure compensation indicators in the next camera. That's another creative feature I'm missing.

Blaize · Aug 28, 2006

You are not alone in hoping for a replacement/upgrade to the 30D to be announced in Feb 07 but it seems more likely the 1 series successor will be announced sometime early in 07 and the 40D? only later in the year. Given the ages of each camera body it also makes sense. As always and with all things - time will tell. If patience is a virtue - we will have plenty of this desirable quality by the time we have the new body in hand.

Luckily taking photos with existing models helps to pass the time. (as does the PP involved if using the RAW workflow)

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