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Scary post on Canon SLR forum re: "E" noise.

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Jeff Morris said:
Yes, I might have hit a nerve with a few comments about an out of
date sensor or Canon glass.
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Those comments certainly qualified as a troll.
Jeff Morris said:
However, I attempted to be thoughtfull
and respectful.
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Except with the comments about Caon glass and the D30 sensor.
Jeff Morris said:
As the threads poored in the origional message got
lost in the translation and I became an evil B.O.D!
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See the other posters Harley comments.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Jeff,

It is quite apparent this fellow doesn't have any clue what he is
talking about. To complain so loudly about noise and THEN try to
compare a D7 favorably to the E-series ... is pure ignorance. The
D7 has as much, if not a tad more, noise than the E-10, and
probably compares similarly to the E-20. This is not to mention the
other areas in which it is quite inferior (ten bucks says the
person has never held one in his hands).
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The fact that the D7 now has a street price of around $700 says it all.
Dr. Gonzo said:
Oh yeah, I love how he talks about the D30 being a "pro's camera"
when it neither 1) is marketed as such nor 2) has anywhere near the
working pro market penetration as the Nikon D series.
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Actually, although it is not marketed as a pro body and does not have the build or AF system of a Canon pro body, plenty of pros use it (not sports photographers though). Now the 1D is becoming available, that will change of course.

The only photographer killed on Sept 11 was shooting with a D30 when he was killed. The film in his other bodies was all destroyed. His D30 images all survived and were published though.
Dr. Gonzo said:
It's an
advanced amateur's cam that costs about twice as much as the
Olympus, and is the next notch above it in the digicam heirarchy.
That's all there is to it.
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Well, it costs much less than twice as much unless you buy a bag full of pro lenses and it has more in common with the D1s and the 1D than is does with the E series, but yes it is "advanced amateur's cam".
 
Jeff

what do you expect from an inferior mo..n like this peter ?

Dont get all worked up on it.

Some people can produce good photographs and some cant and have to ***** about things. Especially about things that they have no clue about.

As an owner of both cameras i can promise you the D30 is not that much from the E-xx. In some respects the E actually is better than the D. Looking at the complete package the D is certainly ahead but not that far and also for a much higher price.

--Michael SalzlechnerStarZen Digital Imaging http://www.starzen.com/imagingE-10 / D30 Photo Albums http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1605723
 
Heya Doug! Where ya been keeping yourself?

We have a massive Harley shop around the corner (used to be a grocery store) I know better than to stir up anything there even though half the people are well-off professionals. There's a lot of pride of ownership involved ;-)

Take care,

-jerry
doug1tx said:
Please tell me you aren't speaking from experience ;-)

Well said, though...
Jerry Russell said:
Try wandering into the Harley shop on Saturday and enthusiastically
explaining the advantages of a Japanese bike over their Harleys.
Despite your good intentions a friendly discussion regarding the
merits of each bike will probably not be the result.

Better to wait unitl they come and ask.

Take care,

-jerry
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Best Regards...

doug1tx
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Jeff Morris said:
Dear David,
As I read posts from E-20 users that also have E-10's I get the
feeling that they love their camera. The E-20 might be a bit
noisier than the E-10. Of what I understand more tightly packed
sensor can be noisier.
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Thanks for the comments Jeff.
I'm just having a hard time making up my mind on a budget.
 
Ok, I understand you worries and anger at the post, but...

1) The post wasn't in the Oly forum (indeed, why copy it into the Oly forum?)
2) There are some valid points there

3) We (Oly forum) were much worse slagging of the D7 when it came out, so I don't think we can jump on our high-horse about this

4) If you have the money, the D30 has many advantages over the E10! But then, that's why it can demand such a high price tag

But, as an E10, E100-RS and Nikon 995 owner (and previously a 3030Z), I will say this about Oly - with the exception of the E20, the colours are great! My Nikon 995 seems "off" in the realism of colour. Jaja is still investigating the colour tints of his E20... I await the results with baited breath.

Excal
--Excal
 
Hi Jeff

At least the E20 produces blue blues rather than green ones

how silly
don't let it get to you!

kind regards
jono slack

--Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Hello Excal,

Excal wrote:
Jaja is still investigating the colour tints of his E20...
excal said:
I await the results with baited breath.
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I won't contribute to this thread ;-)))

But regarding the colour tints of the E-20, I'm writing the first conclusions right now and they will be published very soon ...

Kind regards,
jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com
 
If you are on a budget, get the E-10. It will give you more bang for the buck than anything else less than $2000.
David Younger said:
Jeff Morris said:
Dear David,
As I read posts from E-20 users that also have E-10's I get the
feeling that they love their camera. The E-20 might be a bit
noisier than the E-10. Of what I understand more tightly packed
sensor can be noisier.
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Thanks for the comments Jeff.
I'm just having a hard time making up my mind on a budget.
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That's without a lens. With a lens, its a bit more. With a good lens, its a lot more.
Andrew Grant said:
A D30 costs about $2200 now. That is hardly an unlimited amount of
money. Plenty of people in this forum spent more on their E-10s
which are now worth much less than they paid for them. Such is life
in the digital camera world.

I am not sure why Jeff has such a bug up his ..., but your advice
is good, shame you had to end it with a snide remark.

BTW FWIW, I think Peter Gregg's post was over the top. He is
equally scathing about Canon's flash system though.
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About right - but I'm not sure its really an improvement in all areas. Focusing is pretty slow (if you read on the Canon forum), and body construction is inferior to the E-10/20. I don't about the utility of the controls.
Dr. Gonzo said:
Jeff,

It is quite apparent this fellow doesn't have any clue what he is
talking about. To complain so loudly about noise and THEN try to
compare a D7 favorably to the E-series ... is pure ignorance. The
D7 has as much, if not a tad more, noise than the E-10, and
probably compares similarly to the E-20. This is not to mention the
other areas in which it is quite inferior (ten bucks says the
person has never held one in his hands).

Oh yeah, I love how he talks about the D30 being a "pro's camera"
when it neither 1) is marketed as such nor 2) has anywhere near the
working pro market penetration as the Nikon D series. It's an
advanced amateur's cam that costs about twice as much as the
Olympus, and is the next notch above it in the digicam heirarchy.
That's all there is to it.
--
  • Dr. G.
E-10 FAQ: http://www.tokenasians.com/articles/e10faq.html
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Yes! Yes! Yes! The D-30 is superior to the E10/20. But I'm still going to be purchasing the E-20, it just makes more sense. By the way, the only qualification that makes a camera "professional", is for it to generate revenue.

BillyL--Billly Lee
 
Jeff,

You know, more you poke & prod a dungpile like this Peter's diatribe against E-xx's the more it smells and you know what it smells? horsemanure ...

Jaja put it great in words - have confidence on your own ability to judge your own decisions, have confidence on your decisions, have confidence on E-xx's ... learn to use your camera in every situation that comes forth ... use it for your best capabilities.

Caravans come and go regardles how much dogs bark.

Let's take some excellent pictures and let results speak for themselves.

Jukka

-- http://www.sirucats.comhttp://sivut.koti.soon.fi/jjg47/jukka/index.htm
 
Andrew Grant said:
Brian Cox said:
Use your camera and enjoy it. stay out of shark infested waters.
you will always find someone who thinks they are better than you.
btw you need a self portrait for the forum. work on that instead of
listening to people who have unlimited amounts of money to spend on
cameras that will be out dated in a year.
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A D30 costs about $2200 now. That is hardly an unlimited amount of
money. Plenty of people in this forum spent more on their E-10s
which are now worth much less than they paid for them. Such is life
in the digital camera world.
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Price a 2.0 35-140mm lens.
Andrew Grant27981 said:
I am not sure why Jeff has such a bug up his ..., but your advice
is good, shame you had to end it with a snide remark.

BTW FWIW, I think Peter Gregg's post was over the top. He is
equally scathing about Canon's flash system though.
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--Brian
 
Brian Cox said:
Andrew Grant said:
Brian Cox said:
Use your camera and enjoy it. stay out of shark infested waters.
you will always find someone who thinks they are better than you.
btw you need a self portrait for the forum. work on that instead of
listening to people who have unlimited amounts of money to spend on
cameras that will be out dated in a year.
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A D30 costs about $2200 now. That is hardly an unlimited amount of
money. Plenty of people in this forum spent more on their E-10s
which are now worth much less than they paid for them. Such is life
in the digital camera world.
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Price a 2.0 35-140mm lens.
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No such thing as you know. However, given that the D30 sensor is more than 2 stops faster, the 24-85 USM is an acceptable substitute.

That is beside the point though. Your comment was about "people who have unlimited amounts of money to spend on cameras that will be out dated in a year" The only part of a D30 users system that could possibly be outdated in a year or even two years is the D30 itself which costs around $2,200.

My D30 lenses would still cost what I paid for them. My D30 has lost about 10% of its value (replacement cost) though. There are many people who bought the E-10 when it was new and have now bought the E-20. When you add up the accessories they have spent more than many D30 owners.
 
Brian Cox said:
Price a 2.0 35-140mm lens.
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I can't price a 2.0 35-140 Lens, any better than you could price a 50mm 1.0/1.4/1.8 Lens (The latter of which can be had for only $80), a 22mm wide angle lens (14mmx1.6), TSE Lenses, 400-1600 ISO.

As it's been said before, these are two completely different cameras. You have to pay for more flexibility.

Both cameras take wonderful pictures, and obviously have a VERY LOYAL following. Different strokes for different folks, what works for me, may not work for you.

Eventually, the OlyDak partnership will bring something new to the table, and so will Canon, and we'll start this whole thing all over again, mind you I'll still be using a D30, as it will still take wonderful pictures.

It's not so much about the camera, as it is about the pictures. (a process I am still learning.)--The Vilnius Schoolmaster
 
When you posted your message over the Canon SLR forum,
what did you expect, some love in? You did nothing wrong
purchasing an E-whatever#. What you did wrong is go to another
forum to start trouble. Then you come back here to cry about it.

Now others will give you a shoulder to cry on. Not me, I will
smack you up side your head for being a JERK!.

I say JERK because I read this from someone you know
Jeff Morris said:
You know, the more I go through these forums I realize that many of
the people who post are thoughtless jerks.
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That is your word not mind!

My two cents

Bill
 
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