New Nikon D2Xs

The D200 is manufactured in Thailand. The D2xs is manufactured in
Japan. Production delays are unrelated. The consumer body and pro
body design teams do have a little overlap, but that isn't an issue
since the D200 has ALREADY been designed.
Maybe they share some parts which are in shortage.
If they didn't before, they do now ;)

It sounds like D2X may have gotten the D200 LCD.

And a viewfinder GH LCD for the HSC mask, like D200 has for the gridlines.

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I've walked around with a borrowed E-500 and I found the VF to be very very smal even when compared with a Canon 350d which isn't exactly many consider big.

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I've walked around with a borrowed E-500 and I found the VF to be
very very smal even when compared with a Canon 350d which isn't
exactly many consider big.
hmmm... i dont have the e-300, E-500, or E-330, but i do remember the experience of handling the 350d, and it left me cold.

with the e1 now selling for less than the 350d, i'd really have to say - handle both, and then make your decision.
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This was a nice touch as they made some improvements. Perhaps not the shiny brand new thing that some people may have been waiting, but they can't please everyone :-)

As pointed out above, they should also make as many of the improvements as possible available to existing D2X owners.
This came out of nowhere. I think no one was expecting this but teh
upgrade is not a revolution but it has some nice touches to it.

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It is nice to know that Nikon are still working on improving the models they have. As long as it doesn't slow down the development of future models, which seem to appear at a slower rate compared to Canon, then everyone will be happy.

Sorry, everyone except for those people who've just bought a D2x. ;-)

The small improvement is good publicity, and may be a boost to sales. It may not be enough to make people switch from the D2x to the D2xs, just like the D70 - D70s improvement. No doubt some people with money to burn, and/or a need to have the latest model may make the switch.

I wish I was one of them. :-( lol
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otherwise why on earth would they offer firmware upgrade for D2X this fall??? If they want you to upgrade, they would call this camera somethig else (e.g. from 20D to 30D), rather than just adding a "s". They did the same when they rolled out D70s, they offered firmware upgrade to D70, so that D70 users didn't need to upgrade.

redhed17 wrote:
It may not be enough to make people switch from the D2x to
the D2xs, just like the D70 - D70s improvement. No doubt some
people with money to burn, and/or a need to have the latest model
may make the switch.
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If only Nikon bet on those entry dSLR maybe they could start
producing their own CCD/CMOS because only in mass production is
possible to cut costs,
The APS sensors are already priced pretty darned low by Sony. It would be difficult to produce sensors at the 1-2m unit mark at a better price.
they'll have the competition of Sony which
produces their CCD and I think when Sony start shipping their
cameras they won't sell their top range sensors to the competition,
just like in Formula 1, the official teams use the latest engine
and the others can only buy the last year version.
Then you think wrong. I don't know how many times I've had to resond to this kind of thinking, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Sony will do this, and everything to guess that the opposite is true. Nikon makes the equipment that Sony uses to make their sensors. The two have had a long relationship because of that, including a number of "custom" sensors that have Nikon IP in them. The fact that the Nikon D200 was the first camera to use the new 10mp Sony sensor also argues against your idea.
I know they have the LBCast but unless they turn into an allround
system I don't think they'll use it anymore, the use of Sony sensor
is just a proof that it isn't cost efective or has technological
limits or for sure Nikon had used it in other cameras not only in
the 4 MP D2H.
Nikon, unlike most of the other DSLR makers has done something unique: they've separated the camera design decisions from the sensor design decisions. Instead of designing (or choosing) a sensor and then designing the camera around it, they appear to design a camera and then pick the best sensor for it. For every DSLR they've made to date. That makes the internal Nikon sensor design groups no different than external ones, and without a fab in place, LBCAST has a bit of a difficult time being the low cost solution. I expect we'll see it again soon, though (hint: September).

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Sorry, everyone except for those people who've just bought a D2x. ;-)
In some ways, Nikon is more predictable and better at this than the rest. We have numerous DSLR models that appear to be on an 18-month interim update, 36-month replacement schedule. It's relatively easy to predict, just like with automobiles, when a Nikon product is due for update or replacement. If you buy at the end of the cycles, you're at risk (though Nikon has been good about doing firmware updates, where possible). If you buy at the start of a cycle, you know it won't be eclipsed by another Nikon product in the same genre in six months.

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As a D2X owner I'm not unhappy or concerned about the update but I do wonder if some of the software-only upgrades wont appear as firmware updates in the near future.
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Hi Thom,

I don't know if that teory will continue to be true when Sony aims to the same market share. I think Sony will develop their cameras by themselves and will not share any major components with the competition, remember they have the money and the skills to do it besides is a logical move since Nikon has the high ground when it comes to people affiliated with their lens system.
I would see it has a very Sony move.

Regards,
RVB
 
I think its getting used to it.

I shoot b&w film occasionally in a film SLR (minolta). After that the oly viewfinder looks tiny, but then my eyes readjust.

None of the aps or 4/3rds pentamirror viewfinders are great, but you can get used to them, as long as you don't regularly shift. I do prefer brighter to bigger. A VF the same size as a canon AE-1 on one of these dslrs would be very dim unless you are using primes.
He has good eyes, for me a VF the same size has the Canon AE-1
would be perfect.
 
Sanding off raw edges is admirable but at WHAT COST.
At absolutely no additional cost: the D2Xs is a modestly improved
product at exactly the same published price as the D2X (3,500 UK
pounds).

What possible downside is there to this? It reminds me of the
complaints about the D70s, which went on to sell very well.
"The downside" is that I already own a D2x... :)
Well, it won't get you the new LCD or the new viewfinder mask, but the rest of the D2Xs features (AF performance improvements!!!! as well as B&W modes, new high ISO modes, menu improvements, improved buffer capacity, etc) will be coming out soon in a D2X firmware upgrade.

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I don't know if that teory will continue to be true when Sony aims
to the same market share. I think Sony will develop their cameras
by themselves and will not share any major components with the
competition,
Well, no one knows for sure (perhaps not even Sony ; ), but we have the past actions of the two divisions involved to use as precedent, and those would indicate that Sony wants to continue to be a sensor supplier to others. Other than the Emerald-Pattern sensor, which totally fizzled on them, I know of no case where they've withheld any sensor technology from others (and I'm not even sure that the Emerald-Pattern sensor wasn't offered to others). On the flip side, we have Sony adopting Nikon-IP in their sensors. At present, all evidence points the opposite direction that you suggest. But it'll take another year or two before it will be obvious which direction Sony is going.

Let's put it another way: if Sony were even to suggest that they won't continue to license the APS sensor line, Kodak, Dalsa, Fujifilm, Foveon, and quite a few others would be more than happy to step in and pick up the market share. Sony's APS sensors have two possibilities: sell in the

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Success in selling DSLR sensors requires offering an attractive selection of lenses, along with good AF and AE systems etc., and clearly Nikon has a lot more to offer than what Sony has so far, and there are many more Nikon lens owners than Konica-Minolta lens owners out there. Look at how Nikon sells far more of the D70s and D50 that either Pentax or Konica-Minota manage despite all using the same sensors.

So matching Sony sensors with Nikon lenses components and produces a great additional realm of sales possibilities for Sony's sensor beyond what the Sony/Konica-Minolta lens mount system has to offer.

Sony can not afford to act like a monopoly because they are far from having a monopoly on the ability to make good DSLR sensors. In addition to Thom Hogan's list, I would add Panasonic, and in a different way, Canon.

No, not that Canon would sell sensors to Nikon, but it could sell lots of sensors and cameras and lenses to the customers that Nikon would lose if it could not find a suitable replacement for the Sony sensors. Sony would risk losing far more in sensor sales to Canon than it gains in sales of the Alpha system.
 
Let's put it another way: if Sony were even to suggest that they
won't continue to license the APS sensor line, Kodak, Dalsa,
Fujifilm, Foveon, and quite a few others would be more than happy
to step in and pick up the market share. Sony's APS sensors have
two possibilities: sell in the
range (using this year's numbers). The former provides no return
for the semiconductor division.
I agree mostly with your point, but I think there is a good question about whose sensors are made by Sony. Thre is no company more propriatary than Fuji, but Fujifilm cameras with so called Fuji sensors were recalled with the same symptoms of sensor failure as other makers who are open about using Sony sensors. It is possible I suppose that Fuji created sensors with the same flaw as Sony, but probably not likely since other sensor makers had no problem and no recall. I think there is a real question as to whether Fuji makes any sensors at all and are probably in a similar providing engineering input role to Sony as Nikon. In addition it seems to me that other sensor makers would have the same profitablity problem at low volume. It seems unlikely that one company would snag all of Sony's sensor customers. So the list of companies willing and able that might jump in may be a little smaller than we think.
 
I think there is a real question as to
whether Fuji makes any sensors at all
Well, you have to define the word "make." I don't believe Fujifilm has their own fabs. The issue you refer to was a contamination issue, so if Fujifilm purchased materials from the same source or time on the Sony fabs you could explain what happened perfectly well.
and are probably in a similar
providing engineering input role to Sony as Nikon.
The interactions between Japanese companies is insidious and almost impossible to pull apart. Moreover, many Japanese companies feel it is better to share low-level technology so they know and can control what their competitor is doing. They do very poorly when something like a Foveon comes along with a technology they don't have and don't understand; indeed, they'll often attempt to make such disruptive technologies go away.
In addition it
seems to me that other sensor makers would have the same
profitablity problem at low volume.
APS sensors are already low volume. Last year less than 5 million were created. And a Nikon buy of an alternative sensor would essentially drop Sony's volume by more than half and increase a competitors' to larger than Sony's. I think there are plenty of firms that would be interested in such an arrangement, if it could be pulled off.
It seems unlikely that one
company would snag all of Sony's sensor customers.
But that's the thing, they only need to snag Nikon right now. That would give them about a third of the APS sensor market overnight. Canon's portion can't be touched, so that means the remaining players other than Sony have a choice of Sony, who Nikon chose, or some REALLY low volume sensor.

Of course, two years from now, if Sony really establishes themselves as a viable third option and Nikon and Pentax are still using the same sensors as Sony, the game is up, I think.

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Ohhh! Tasty.

Define soon?

Just kidding.

Dave
Sanding off raw edges is admirable but at WHAT COST.
At absolutely no additional cost: the D2Xs is a modestly improved
product at exactly the same published price as the D2X (3,500 UK
pounds).

What possible downside is there to this? It reminds me of the
complaints about the D70s, which went on to sell very well.
"The downside" is that I already own a D2x... :)
Well, it won't get you the new LCD or the new viewfinder mask, but
the rest of the D2Xs features (AF performance improvements!!!! as
well as B&W modes, new high ISO modes, menu improvements, improved
buffer capacity, etc) will be coming out soon in a D2X firmware
upgrade.

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Detroit Tigers, leading the league (go figure)!

Detroit Pistons take the division, four out of seven over Cleveland!
Miami heat is cold, the conference will be ours...
You know we're gonna stomp some Texan!

Ciao!

Joe

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