3+ meg Uzi... Can someone do the math?

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The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That (as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
 
What would be nice here Bob is if Olympus adopts that chip that it would allow us all to send in our cameras if we were willing to pay for the upgraded CCD!

Jason
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
What would be nice here Bob is if Olympus adopts that chip that it
would allow us all to send in our cameras if we were willing to pay
for the upgraded CCD!

Jason
...thanks for presenting many succinct questions to the Oly Chat last night that a lot of us couldn't participate in...
...appreciatively yours...
newby
 
don't get too excited:

(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--Yote
 
Hmm... that's not far from the Pro90. Guess we'll have to wait impatientally again.

Maxven

P.S.: Wonder about the math but I think you or someone else explained it before. Is it because the chip is square?
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
 
Sorry, incorrect if a diagonal measurement:

now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--Yote
 
Sure think newby, I just reposted from the other site so anyone can read it if they desire.
Jason
What would be nice here Bob is if Olympus adopts that chip that it
would allow us all to send in our cameras if we were willing to pay
for the upgraded CCD!

Jason
...thanks for presenting many succinct questions to the Oly Chat
last night that a lot of us couldn't participate in...
...appreciatively yours...
newby
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
oops that was supposed to read Sure thing. I guess I am tired!
What would be nice here Bob is if Olympus adopts that chip that it
would allow us all to send in our cameras if we were willing to pay
for the upgraded CCD!

Jason
...thanks for presenting many succinct questions to the Oly Chat
last night that a lot of us couldn't participate in...
...appreciatively yours...
newby
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
4MP cameras becoming commonplace and Minolta, Sony and Nikon are all offering 5 MP cameras under $1000.

Olympus needs to be planning a big zoom on a 5MP camera. If they can't do it, the digital SLR prices dropped from over $20,000 to under $5000 in the last 2-3 years.

I think advances in technology will drop them to around $2000 in the next 2 years.

If Olympus offers a 4 or 5 MP UZI for under $1200, I'll probably buy one. If they offer a 3MP UZI, I'll probably save my money for something better.
--Charles Booher http://phototown.tripod.com
 
Hi Yote.

Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M = 3.73M

Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
 
Lets assume square for now:

The .5 inch diag CCD is .125 sq inches area (pythag, each side is sqrt(.125))
The .67 inch diag CCD is .222 sq inches area

5M x .125/.222 = 2.81

I stand by my calculation :)

Don't forget these .5 and .67 measurements are the diag. Use pythag to get the sides, then the areas, then take a ratio of areas.

Now I'll work on a 4:3 shape.
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
--Yote
 
4:3 ratio is fractionally smaller, 2.809 so same thing.
The .5 inch diag CCD is .125 sq inches area (pythag, each side is
sqrt(.125))
The .67 inch diag CCD is .222 sq inches area

5M x .125/.222 = 2.81

I stand by my calculation :)

Don't forget these .5 and .67 measurements are the diag. Use pythag
to get the sides, then the areas, then take a ratio of areas.

Now I'll work on a 4:3 shape.
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
--
Yote
--Yote
 
Bob,
I figured this way: .5/.67=.746X5=3.73MP

The .5 CCD is 74.6% of the size of the .67 and is a diagonal measurement and not square. So if you actually use only 1/2" of the 2/3 CCD you should get the 3.73 megapixels. Don't know where Yote got to using the square root, maybe he's a better mathmetician than me?
The Smokester--www.pbase.com/smoke24/galleries
 
Ok, let's see here.... Pythagorus wrote:
a^2 + b^2 = C^2 (ref: http://www.cut-the-knot.com/pythagoras/ )

With a square CCD, a=b so that reduces to (2 * a^2) = c^2
Now the 5MP number is a representation of the area of the CCD
in units of pixels (calculating the dimensions of a single pixel is left
as an exercise for the reader). We want to compare the relative area
of a 0.5" CCD with a 0.67" one. Area is length times width, or a*b,
but in this case since it's a square, a*a, or a^2.
Solving for a^2 we get a^2 = c^2 / 2 by simply dividing both sides by 2.

Given also:

(area of 0.5" CCD) / (area of 0.67" CCD) * (MP of 0.67" CCD) = MP of 0.5" CCD

we get (0.5^2 / 2) / (0.67^2 2) * 5MP = 2.78458454
(Yote's formula was slightly wrong, but the "1/2" factors cancel each
other out so the answer was still correct).


However, after all that, dare I mention that the UZI doesn't have a square CCD? Or if it does, then why don't we get 1600x1600 images instead of 1600x1200? Does it even matter? That is, do all rectangles with the same length diagonal have the same area regardless of their width and height?

I started to work this out but it just got messy.
Maybe I should just make an 8x10 print of the formulas
and see if it simply LOOKS GOOD . ;-)
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
 
Ooops Yote, I forgot to square .5 and .67. You're right, sorry. ;-)

Maxven
The .5 inch diag CCD is .125 sq inches area (pythag, each side is
sqrt(.125))
The .67 inch diag CCD is .222 sq inches area

5M x .125/.222 = 2.81

I stand by my calculation :)

Don't forget these .5 and .67 measurements are the diag. Use pythag
to get the sides, then the areas, then take a ratio of areas.

Now I'll work on a 4:3 shape.
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
--
Yote
 
It's not. Remember going up to a 17" monitor from a 15" one?
By your formula that's only an increase of 13% on the diagonal, but the
AREA increases significantly more. That's where the square roots
come in. See my other post here.
Bob,
I figured this way: .5/.67=.746X5=3.73MP
The .5 CCD is 74.6% of the size of the .67 and is a diagonal
measurement and not square. So if you actually use only 1/2" of the
2/3 CCD you should get the 3.73 megapixels. Don't know where Yote
got to using the square root, maybe he's a better mathmetician than
me?
The Smokester
--
http://www.pbase.com/smoke24/galleries
 
And to think I have a masters degree in economics, no wonder the world's looking like it is, LOL.

Maxven
Maxven
The .5 inch diag CCD is .125 sq inches area (pythag, each side is
sqrt(.125))
The .67 inch diag CCD is .222 sq inches area

5M x .125/.222 = 2.81

I stand by my calculation :)

Don't forget these .5 and .67 measurements are the diag. Use pythag
to get the sides, then the areas, then take a ratio of areas.

Now I'll work on a 4:3 shape.
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
--
Yote
 
...now i got such a headache...

...it's bad enough that I have to wrestle with the formula for mixing my chocolate drink every morning...
...mathmatically yours,
newby Einstein
 
Inigo, the measurements are diagonal, so you can't square the .5 and .67. First, calculate the sides which is 2a^2 = .5^2 so a = sqrt(.25/2).

Thats why yours came out a little low.

I did the 4:3 ratio. Same thing but not a*a, its a*b. Ratio ends up .12/.2135 and we get a slightly smaller number.... 2.809 Mp.

The .5 inch CCD is a 3:4:5 right triangle. The .667 is of course in the same ratio w/different numbers - .4002x.5336 yada yada yada
With a square CCD, a=b so that reduces to (2 * a^2) = c^2
Now the 5MP number is a representation of the area of the CCD
in units of pixels (calculating the dimensions of a single pixel is
left
as an exercise for the reader). We want to compare the relative area
of a 0.5" CCD with a 0.67" one. Area is length times width, or a*b,
but in this case since it's a square, a*a, or a^2.
Solving for a^2 we get a^2 = c^2 / 2 by simply dividing both sides
by 2.

Given also:

(area of 0.5" CCD) / (area of 0.67" CCD) * (MP of 0.67" CCD) = MP
of 0.5" CCD

we get (0.5^2 / 2) / (0.67^2 2) * 5MP = 2.78458454
(Yote's formula was slightly wrong, but the "1/2" factors cancel each
other out so the answer was still correct).


However, after all that, dare I mention that the UZI doesn't have a
square CCD? Or if it does, then why don't we get 1600x1600 images
instead of 1600x1200? Does it even matter? That is, do all
rectangles with the same length diagonal have the same area
regardless of their width and height?

I started to work this out but it just got messy.
Maybe I should just make an 8x10 print of the formulas
and see if it simply LOOKS GOOD . ;-)
Maybe it's because I'm tired or there's something wrong with the
math. Assuming the CCD is sqare my end result comes to 3.73MP. I
think you only got the relative size of one of the .67 CCD sides
compared to that of the .5 and forgot to square them to get the CCD
size

sqrt(.5/2) squared / sqrt(.67/2) squared x5M = .5/2 .67/2 x 5M =
3.73M


Maxven
now I get 2.81 Meg, still not enough.
sqrt(.5/2) / sqrt(.67/2) x 5M = 2.81M
(.5x.5) (.67x.67) x 5 Meg = 2.78Meg
The way I read the specs, Oly gets 2 megs from a .5" chip. That
(as I understand it) is the diagonal measurement of the chip.

Nikon (in the new 5000) gets 5 megs from a .67" chip.

So, if you were to shave the Nikon chip down to .5" in order to use
the Canon 10xIS lens how many megs would you have left?

This might be the next step up that we could expect to see.
--
Yote
--
Yote
--Yote
 

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