See above post--I'm not a 'candid' photographer, but point well taken.
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Patrick Martin
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I understood that from your post... but of course the mall wouldn't.
Let us know what happens if you ask the management for permission. They may not have a problem with it as long as you ask first. I remember my parents always claimed to be like that... it's ok as long as you ask first... lol
--Patrick
Let us know what happens if you ask the management for permission. They may not have a problem with it as long as you ask first. I remember my parents always claimed to be like that... it's ok as long as you ask first... lol
--Patrick
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Thomas, if left unguarded window display espionage just might bring down whole nations. I think we are talking some pretty serious concerns here. I think you really should as you suggest assume a cover name and a good disguise, lest the mall police find you out, and subject you to unknown horrors and tortures. 
This is just a little fun and not intended to berate the subject at hand which I do feel strongly about.
This is just a little fun and not intended to berate the subject at hand which I do feel strongly about.
Patrick, to be truthful, I doubt that I ever would. I'm not a mall type person, so this has made it not very interesting to me at all. Those who do candids may be more forthcoming about their experiences in similar situations--I'm usually outdoors, on the trail or on the road or on the street. I wish I hadn't started the thread, but I was a bit miffed when I got home---but in rethinking it, it should have occurred to me. I wouldn't ask for permission--I just wouldn't take a camera into such a place.
Diane--Diane B http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleriesB/W lover, but color is seducing me
C. R. Bell
Senior Member
Just to add my two cents worth to this most interesting thread. I went to Four Season's Mall in Greensboro NC about 10 days ago and spent about 40 minutes walking around taking pictures of plants, people, the workmen setting up the Christmas decorations, the decorations themselves, some of the individuals who work in the mall in their work environment, store fronts etc. Was using a D30 with battery grip handheld. Didn't even think there might be a problem. No one ever said a thing to me, only got one curious look from a shop owner of a shoe repair facility then he struck up a nice pose for me. Guess it all depends on location and general attitude of personel involved.--Rick
Rick, coincidence. I'm in Hickory (Valley Hills Mall) and was at Hanes in Winston today---and think they may be owned by same folks. I was round and about doing similar until a guard spotted me/no one else complained or looked even threatened about me shooting 'inanimate' objects--maybe no one saw you--or perhaps Four Seasons is more flexible.
Diane--Diane B http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleriesB/W lover, but color is seducing me
Temple
Well-known member
I guess I'm fortunate .. I had a model that wanted part of the shoot done in Abercrombies .. We headed out, and I went in the store first. I talked to the manager, threw her a couple of cards and told her what we were doing and promised to be quick and unobtrusive. She was more than happy to let us use the store. We were gone in 15 min, with no toes stepped on. You'd be amazed at what you get just by first asking, and not assuming or just trying - "daring" someone to tell you that you can't photograph.
Regarding historical areas. I'm in Austin, TX and the state capitol is here. I go there at least twice a week to do bridals and children's portraiture. The Cap Police are MORE than friendly. I've seen them hold people off the main rotunda floor so that I could finish my shots. I even had one officer run to get towels for a bride to dry the stems of her boquet so that it would not drip on her dress !!!! People here just don't even seem to care about cameras... other than recognizing what may be a "professional" rig .. and asking for cards, information, "what kind of camera is that" etc .. Maybe Texas is just a friendly place .. I"ll consider myself lucky and enjoy it. ! .. TNT --Temple http://www.austinphoto.com
Regarding historical areas. I'm in Austin, TX and the state capitol is here. I go there at least twice a week to do bridals and children's portraiture. The Cap Police are MORE than friendly. I've seen them hold people off the main rotunda floor so that I could finish my shots. I even had one officer run to get towels for a bride to dry the stems of her boquet so that it would not drip on her dress !!!! People here just don't even seem to care about cameras... other than recognizing what may be a "professional" rig .. and asking for cards, information, "what kind of camera is that" etc .. Maybe Texas is just a friendly place .. I"ll consider myself lucky and enjoy it. ! .. TNT --Temple http://www.austinphoto.com
nitecrlwr
Senior Member
The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass,
it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in
itself.
-Henry Miller, novelist (1891-1980)
regards
it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in
itself.
-Henry Miller, novelist (1891-1980)
regards
nitecrlwr
Senior Member
This didn't get any responses the first time I posted but I really like this one. I really felt for this guy cause I feel the same way when I am waiting for my girlfriend.
nite
nite
I think the guard was suspicious not because you looked suspicious but because he's trained to be suspicious of everyone. I've heard that on the subway, the best pickpockets are not the people who look grungy or young and punky - the pro pickpockets know how to camouflage; they're clean-cut and dress like business executives so you won't have your guard up around them. In a world where the way people look is no sure indication of what they might do, a bit of paranoia becomes integral to security.
Shar66441
Active member
Your mall has nice waiting areas. I've only ever seen wooden benches.
--Shar http://members.home.net/mackey135/sharon.htmThis didn't get any responses the first time I posted but I really
like this one. I really felt for this guy cause I feel the same
way when I am waiting for my girlfriend.
nite
Paul42626
Member
This business about mall photography not being allowed amazes me. I seldom take pictures in a mall, except for Santa photos of the grandkids. I have found in a few malls that they have those areas set up so it's almost impossible to get a picture of a kid on Santas lap.
I was recently in Washington DC (this Oct.) to be exact, and drove by the Pentagon. I wanted a picture of the damage but was leary of takng photos of the building or gettng to close, until I noticed people all over the place on a hill nearby. I drove down, parked in the Pentagon parking lot, walked up to the fence and proceded to take several photos. There were armed guards around and not one said a word. I think they were there more to keep people out of the construction area than to prevent picture taking. If you can take pictures of that, I don't understand not being allowed to take pictures in a mall.
If I am in a museum I always ask if pictures are allowed. Sometimes they are, sometimes not, and sometimes only without flash, and I try to follow their rules. I have never been kicked out of a place for taking photos.
Paul
I was recently in Washington DC (this Oct.) to be exact, and drove by the Pentagon. I wanted a picture of the damage but was leary of takng photos of the building or gettng to close, until I noticed people all over the place on a hill nearby. I drove down, parked in the Pentagon parking lot, walked up to the fence and proceded to take several photos. There were armed guards around and not one said a word. I think they were there more to keep people out of the construction area than to prevent picture taking. If you can take pictures of that, I don't understand not being allowed to take pictures in a mall.
If I am in a museum I always ask if pictures are allowed. Sometimes they are, sometimes not, and sometimes only without flash, and I try to follow their rules. I have never been kicked out of a place for taking photos.
Paul
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Rob Patterson
Guest
Being an older person, I can remember the 1950's and the freedoms we enjoyed. Freedoms that were excepted by our peers and law enforcement agencies.
I feel that life in our society (here in the U.S.) is suffering from group neurosis. Paranoia specifically. It's running rampant. People are scared of their own shadow and work to question everything that everyone is doing as though what other people are doing is subversive.
Another aspect of this group mental illness is a need for people to become authoritarian figures whether they have a right to do so or not.
As an example. I have fished a local harbor close to where I live for the last 40 years. Suddenly, security guards are telling me that I can't fish there anymore. I demanded to see the head man. The Port Authority himself. With the guards and the Port Authority in the same room, I pushed the issue. I knew my rights. They had no right to refuse me access to the waterfront. This is a Federal Law. Everything below the maximum high tide mark is Public Domain. These jokers (I call them that because their actions was a joke, a sick one) are not untypical in our present world. People make things up as they go along. And, because too many people accept this type of false authority, it is growning in leaps and bounds.
Question authority. Demand to see the person at the top. Register your complaint with local news agencies. Write your local representitives.
I feel that life in our society (here in the U.S.) is suffering from group neurosis. Paranoia specifically. It's running rampant. People are scared of their own shadow and work to question everything that everyone is doing as though what other people are doing is subversive.
Another aspect of this group mental illness is a need for people to become authoritarian figures whether they have a right to do so or not.
As an example. I have fished a local harbor close to where I live for the last 40 years. Suddenly, security guards are telling me that I can't fish there anymore. I demanded to see the head man. The Port Authority himself. With the guards and the Port Authority in the same room, I pushed the issue. I knew my rights. They had no right to refuse me access to the waterfront. This is a Federal Law. Everything below the maximum high tide mark is Public Domain. These jokers (I call them that because their actions was a joke, a sick one) are not untypical in our present world. People make things up as they go along. And, because too many people accept this type of false authority, it is growning in leaps and bounds.
Question authority. Demand to see the person at the top. Register your complaint with local news agencies. Write your local representitives.
This is why I take pictures of only ducks and flowers.
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Well said Rob. Unfortunately since Sept 11 people seem to be accepting the fact that it is now okay for the government or any official looking entity to push them around at will. Our current administration has just opened the door to legal phone tapping and internet monitoring. Our most basic freedoms and rights are quickly dissappearing. Many innocent people are going to be questioned, harrassed and wrongfully prosecuted because of these law changes. They have just given anyone with any authority the right to pry into and question our private lives. We now have to be careful what we say in public and private for fear of being reported, suspected, detained, questioned and possibly prosecuted for suspision of possibly being involved in anything subversive. Big brother is watching and now no one has complete freedom of speech or is any longer protected by that constitutional right. This may seem a somewhat extreme view, but this is the reality if you take all that has happened since Sept 11 into account. Anyone who would deny this view should stop and think about how their responses to certain issues has changed since then. I for one know that I now am cautious about what I say and to whom I say it to. I have nothing to hide. But now there is that fear in the back of my head that someone may misunderstand or not comprehend the intent of a statement or verbal thought and take that out of context, possibly submitting me to arrest or detainment for questioning just for voicing an opinion or private view. It is a shame that our government instead of accepting responsibility and working on correcting thier inter agency deficiencies have elected to instead oppress its constituents. And unfortunately in light of all this it seems as though most other security and law enforcement agencies have jumped on the band wagon and are using it as an excuse to overly exert their authority on the rest of us. Please don't misunderstand me. I am not a radical or extremist. I am only worried that this whole issue may snowball into an avalanche of unnecesary restraints and controls. Censorship is not good. It violates one of our most basic rights. The freedom of speech!
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Rob Patterson
Guest
Unfortunately the lean towards a totalitarian state began well before Sept. 11. Constitutional rights are being blatantly tromped on. ALL law enforcement agencies need probable cause according to the constitution to arrest or detain a suspect.
What is that probable cause? Is it walking down the street in broad daylight. I would think not. However, I've been stopped by local police and frisked without any probable cause whatsoever. Many others have also.
Two older German immigrants I used to fish with before they locked up the park we fished in, both came from Germany in the 1930s. They witnessed the rise of **** Germany. According to them, their former freedoms were taken away gradually. By the time the citizens of that era in Germany were aware of what was happening it was too late! Those two former German citizens tell me that EXACTLY the same thing has been occuring in the U.S. I agree. I've watched it occur. Like you, I'm mildly afraid to walk down the street anymore.
I feel that the gradual elimination of freedoms is about to peak. Most people are too young to remember what a free country is like. As us older citizens die out, the younger citizens taking our place won't have the necessary experience of living in a free country. They've grown up within a restrictive society and as a consequence don't bother to question further elimination of freedoms.
I'm appaled by the views of our representitives regarding the current military tribunals that are to be used against those who may be linked to terrorism. I hope those jokers don't figure me as a possibility. I do have a beard! Shouldn't need to think that way but conditions are making that sort of thinking a necessity. It's time to cover your butt and keep your thoughts primarily to ones self. Sad state of affairs. Glad I'm old and don't have much time left. I shudder at the thought of what conditions will be like 20 years hence!
What is that probable cause? Is it walking down the street in broad daylight. I would think not. However, I've been stopped by local police and frisked without any probable cause whatsoever. Many others have also.
Two older German immigrants I used to fish with before they locked up the park we fished in, both came from Germany in the 1930s. They witnessed the rise of **** Germany. According to them, their former freedoms were taken away gradually. By the time the citizens of that era in Germany were aware of what was happening it was too late! Those two former German citizens tell me that EXACTLY the same thing has been occuring in the U.S. I agree. I've watched it occur. Like you, I'm mildly afraid to walk down the street anymore.
I feel that the gradual elimination of freedoms is about to peak. Most people are too young to remember what a free country is like. As us older citizens die out, the younger citizens taking our place won't have the necessary experience of living in a free country. They've grown up within a restrictive society and as a consequence don't bother to question further elimination of freedoms.
I'm appaled by the views of our representitives regarding the current military tribunals that are to be used against those who may be linked to terrorism. I hope those jokers don't figure me as a possibility. I do have a beard! Shouldn't need to think that way but conditions are making that sort of thinking a necessity. It's time to cover your butt and keep your thoughts primarily to ones self. Sad state of affairs. Glad I'm old and don't have much time left. I shudder at the thought of what conditions will be like 20 years hence!
Doug Mac65597
Forum Enthusiast
Patrick,
Unfortunately, my momma taught me "it's easier to get forgiveness than permission" ;-)
Unfortunately, my momma taught me "it's easier to get forgiveness than permission" ;-)
Indeed Rob it is the lack of concern regarding this issue that is scary. And what is even more frightening is allowing our government to practice censorship terrorism on its constituents.
Unfortunately the lean towards a totalitarian state began well
before Sept. 11. Constitutional rights are being blatantly tromped
on. ALL law enforcement agencies need probable cause according to
the constitution to arrest or detain a suspect.
What is that probable cause? Is it walking down the street in broad
daylight. I would think not. However, I've been stopped by local
police and frisked without any probable cause whatsoever. Many
others have also.
Two older German immigrants I used to fish with before they locked
up the park we fished in, both came from Germany in the 1930s. They
witnessed the rise of **** Germany. According to them, their former
freedoms were taken away gradually. By the time the citizens of
that era in Germany were aware of what was happening it was too
late! Those two former German citizens tell me that EXACTLY the
same thing has been occuring in the U.S. I agree. I've watched it
occur. Like you, I'm mildly afraid to walk down the street anymore.
I feel that the gradual elimination of freedoms is about to peak.
Most people are too young to remember what a free country is like.
As us older citizens die out, the younger citizens taking our place
won't have the necessary experience of living in a free country.
They've grown up within a restrictive society and as a consequence
don't bother to question further elimination of freedoms.
I'm appaled by the views of our representitives regarding the
current military tribunals that are to be used against those who
may be linked to terrorism. I hope those jokers don't figure me as
a possibility. I do have a beard! Shouldn't need to think that way
but conditions are making that sort of thinking a necessity. It's
time to cover your butt and keep your thoughts primarily to ones
self. Sad state of affairs. Glad I'm old and don't have much time
left. I shudder at the thought of what conditions will be like 20
years hence!
lectraglide
Leading Member
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johndoug
Member
I was able to get quite a few shots of this plane and the Joint Strike Fighter, although when I went behind the plane to get a photo of the rear I was told “SIR, DO NOT TAKE THAT PHOTO” It came from a strong sounding serious voice that meant what it was saying. I was then informed that my camera WOULD be taken I would be arrested if I tried to “sneak” a photo. Well when a man with a M-16 tells you something or for that matter 8 men and a 1 woman with M-16s tell you something they might just mean it. This was back when “OUR” P-3 was still in China.
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