E-330 review...L-MOS does not deliver!

Each to their own, speak as you find, opinions make the world go
round..
Agreed, but day in day out same subject, hammering a camera that
has not even been in the hands of any reviewer yet. A camera that
made #1 in Phil's top ten products (for whatever reasons).
Phil/Simon are professional reviewers and I will wait to hear what
they have to say before i judge the camera. Naysayers and even
worse, those who try to undermine DPR's credibility, impartiality
and professionalism with cheap comments seem to be increasing in
number. The latter certainly does not apply to this forum but i
have read some unbelievable stuff in the Oly and Pentax forums.

I am hoping to become an active member of the Pannie forum when the
L1 comes out, I would hate for it to have become a flamers lair!
It dont consider it a hammering, more a concern, and for the only reason....it uses the same sensor....nothing more...

With regard cheap comments...I think we are all able to express ourselves in a way that doesnt mince words...but retains some element of respect...
 
It dont consider it a hammering, more a concern, and for the only
reason....it uses the same sensor....nothing more...
You have hammered it on price and looks from the minute it was announced! You keep at it until somebody bites. Its your style!

Here is your comments hammering the L1, within the first 24hrs of its announcement alone.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17364938
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17365063
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=17365111
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=17365142
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=17370221
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17370291
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=17370964
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=17371280
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17371716
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1035&message=17373140
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17374357
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=17374433
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17381405
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=17386355

You rattle on about price continually and your estimates vary considerably.
You have hammered this camera and the noise issue to death.

My point is a simple one, wait and see. Meanwhile, no more dogfight stuff please.

Andy
 
Which can be improved by Panasonic. I wouldn't panic before you did not even try it.

However, Phil's review clearly points out that the concept of live view on a DSLR does not work (yet) and it will take quite some time to actually deliver satisfying results. Thus, I am wondering who will really buy such a camera? Just out of fun to have a mediocre feature? I believe there are better 4/3 cameras out there (if you have already compatible lenses) or other systems (if you start with DSLR from zero).

Bottom line: If you want live preview -- go with a Sony R1 or something similar.

Just my 2 cent.

Mo.
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When i tried the Sony R1 out int he store the live preview was seriously choppy... like what you'd expect for a cheak $100 camera... its refresh rate in moderate to low light seemed as bad a 10fps or maybe even worse... lets just say although i was resonably impressed with the rest of the camera the choppyness of the refresh rate made me a little sick.
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Mike from Canada



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Because it's got a smal sensor and doesn't have absolutely horrible image quality (though considerably poorer than the other crop DSLRs) it's better than a larger sensor camera with less noise and better image quality??

Oh, BTW looking at noise ratios alone is a waste of time because you can reduce the noise at the cost of sharpness and IQ. This is exactly what the 330 does. Thus in reality it's got considerably more noise than the ratios suggest.
 
I wasn't satisfied with the EVF of my old Oly C-8080, thus, I sold it and switched back to Nikon (I had an old 35mm SLR and now have a DSLR). The clear, yet small and dark, compared to the 35mm SLR, viewfinder is waaay better than any EVF I've seen up to now. I am not sure why so many people want EVF or live preview. But it definitively does not support (me) to make better pictures.

Mo.

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http://flickr.com/photos/mo
 
we combine wavelengths for
sound how hard could it be to do it for light. as long as the
visible light can reach the antenna the antennas should be able to
give its frequency and amplitude.
Just a technical note, and not a comment for the original argument, but when you combine sounds you create complex waveforms, not an alteration of the fundamental frequencies.

You get a sound that with a fundamental frequency based on the lower of the two frequencies being combined and a series of overtones...
(sound is my day job) :)

Dustin.

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Dustin aka Cooperii

EffZEDThirty TeeConSeventeen
 
i work with old canon 1d and it has less noise than 330 at 400, 800 and 1600 but that is not that big problem for me. grain is ok if it's sharp. if you want grainfree images buy a canon. my biggest problem with oly is no bright primes
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no sky - no sun
no water - no fishes
no story - no photo
 
The Olympus E-330 review has persuaded me that I would do better
going for the Canon 5D - even the 30D seems more attractive now.
Why were you expecting the L1 to have better image quality than the 30D? In what other ways could the L1 match the 5D or 30D?

Both of these Canon models will deliver excellent quality even at high ISOs, good ergonomics and technology that ripples down from cameras that professionals rely on. The choice of Canon, Sigma and Tamron lenses is endless. If live preview is important, there are 3rd party solutions for Canon cameras.

Sorry, I just can't see how you can go wrong.

Ilias
 
... the new Epson Rangefinder D1s.

It's worth considering if metal body, traditional camera controls, big sensor and Leica mount are important to you.
 
i'm a pro working with canon 1d BUT I like my c5050 (legend) too. and i cann't find a replacement for it!!!! So, live view is not so bad.
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no sky - no sun
no water - no fishes
no story - no photo
 
And what is the complex light wave pattern (assuming it works the
smae way) of a given R, G and B value when combined
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I don't think it's productive to think about the problem in this way.
When light is collected by the sensor, it excites an electron; when
the sensor is read, the signal corresponds to the number of electrons
that have been excited, which correlates to the amount of illumination
of that pixel. Each electron being excited time-averages over many, many
oscillations of the light wave, because its response time is much longer
than the oscillation period of visible light; this is completely the opposite
of the way things work for audio or radio frequency waveforms, where the
detection device conducts many samplings of the wave over one period
of oscillation (for instance a CD samples the signal at 44KHz, even if
you are listening to a 500Hz tone). These frequency ranges are much
slower than the response time of an electron.

Another point: Even if we can make structures the size of a wavelength
of visible light, doesn't mean that its characteristic response frequency
will be the same. In fact typically it will not be so. The nanotubes
Mike mentioned have the right width, but their natural vibrational
frequency will be many orders of magnitude slower than
the corresponding light wave, and so they will be a poor transducer
for light detection (it's similar to the way a tuning fork will only
sympathetically vibrate with sounds near its natural frequency of
vibration).

Just dreaming here, I wonder though if one could make use of
the fact that photons carry energy that is in direct proportion
to their frequency. That energy is transferred to the electron
when it is excited in a photodetector. If a sensor could detect
the individual electrons and measure their initial
excitation energies accurately, one might be able to do away
with the Bayer filter.

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emil
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