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You've got to be kidding me, this is 2006.
  • No pop up flash - don't tell me pros don't what this, I read these forums, I know!
  • no vertical grip.
  • less than 2 fps - would this still work for a sports camera?
  • 1.8" screen is too small.
  • ISO 400 max? Even P&S go up to 1600 these days and for and for 100th the price.
  • it's too big. I want it to fit in my pocket so I can take it to parties.
  • it's too heavy - how can I go back packing with this? every once counts you know.
  • it's too expensive (whatever it costs)
  • I have to buy all new lens.
They are ripping me off! ;-D

I am just waiting for the 1D series whinners to start boo-hooing about this camera too.

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Once the Jones' died, there was no longer a compulsion to keep up with them.
 
"No pop up flash"
" it's too big. I want it to fit in my pocket so I can take it to parties."

I like this.
 
I do wonder what kind of downward pressure this will put on the price of the 1DsMkII and/or its successor. For the studio photographer, it looks like basically the same price neighborhood, but you get more camera with the Mamiya.
 
None, in my opinion. These cameras represent the {current} pinnacle of two inter-related but completely different market segments.

And the ONLY thing more you get with the Mamiya is price and Megapixels (so far)
Jan Morales said:
I do wonder what kind of downward pressure this will put on the
price of the 1DsMkII and/or its successor. For the studio
photographer, it looks like basically the same price neighborhood,
but you get more camera with the Mamiya.
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http://www.meucciphotographic.com
 
Jan Morales said:
I do wonder what kind of downward pressure this will put on the
price of the 1DsMkII and/or its successor. For the studio
photographer, it looks like basically the same price neighborhood,
but you get more camera with the Mamiya.
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except those that have tried it don't seem overly impressed with it---yet. I've been reading on other forums (esp. MF forum on RG) pros seem to use both and one of the regular posters seems to feel that the new 1DsMkIII (?) will push photographers to go with it instead of MF which evidently gives them fits in the studio.

Diane
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Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
 
All joking aside, what the hell does this mean:

Low-pass filter Optional (rechargeable)

Uh? Does the LP filter have its own battery???

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Alan, Newbury, UK
 
Any of you folks handle the ZD at the Focus show, it fits great in the hand and doesn't feel heavy, didn't to me anyways and you get a sensor that is twice the size of the 35mm full frame so bigger photosites should mean less noise. In theory.

Less than £8000.00 too, I'll take two please. :o)

Seriously, would like to see what it can produce but don't think I'll ever be able to afford one. Nicely built though.
 
What I am really annoyed about is the absence of a print button. And of course what about mirror lock up? IS there a custom function or a dedicated button? And has anyone tested the depth of field for this big sensor against smaller ones? Oh, and lets not forget how chintzy it is not to include a card. I also heard that these big sensors attract lots and lots of dust and none of the twisty-twirly brushes are big enough, and you need a whole bottle of Eclipse to clean it.
 
Jan Morales said:
I do wonder what kind of downward pressure this will put on the
price of the 1DsMkII and/or its successor. For the studio
photographer, it looks like basically the same price neighborhood,
but you get more camera with the Mamiya.
Click to expand...
Canon is dropping the price of the 1DS MKII on its own already. And then there is the 5D. The 1DS should put downward price pressure on the Mamiya.
 
I agree and disagree. On the surface, the two cameras do indeed serve different purposes. I'd give the Mamaya the edge on studio and wedding work.

However, there is significant overlap. There are may 1Ds cameras being used for studio work, high end magazines, weddings, etc.

I love competition as this will fosters innovation and price competition. While few Canon users will be jumping ship since they don't own compatible lenses, new photographers will consider the Mamiya if it meets their needs. I also know of several Mamiya film shooters (primarily wedding) that were thinking of switching to Canon 1DsII but were waiting to see the results of the Mamiya digital.
 
Specs refer to 1.16x crop factor!!
mike_DSLR said:
You've got to be kidding me, this is 2006.
  • No pop up flash - don't tell me pros don't what this, I read
these forums, I know!
  • no vertical grip.
  • less than 2 fps - would this still work for a sports camera?
  • 1.8" screen is too small.
  • ISO 400 max? Even P&S go up to 1600 these days and for and for
100th the price.
  • it's too big. I want it to fit in my pocket so I can take it to
parties.
  • it's too heavy - how can I go back packing with this? every once
counts you know.
  • it's too expensive (whatever it costs)
  • I have to buy all new lens.
They are ripping me off! ;-D

I am just waiting for the 1D series whinners to start boo-hooing
about this camera too.

--
Once the Jones' died, there was no longer a compulsion to keep up
with them.
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--
Sir Fallot

There are those that read the small print and learn through knowledge, while others ignore the small print and learn through experience.
 
weinschela said:
What I am really annoyed about is the absence of a print button.
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Right!!! What a rip off.

Now that's just down right inexcusable IMO. Even Canon knows we all want direct print buttons on our cameras, and I'd never buy another camera without this feature!

A direct print button, for those of you that don't know, means that you no longer need to do post processing because the camera does everything for you. So when you turn your camera on and you're using it on the little green square - this is where all REAL photographers use their cameras BTW - you only have to shoot the picture (proper framing and composition are optional) and immediately go to your $39.00 printer to get fabulous output.

Bad Mamiya. Bad, bad, bad. No biscuit for you.
 
After all, this camera cost MUCH more than the 5D - SURELY they could have put in a pop flash for those emergency "fills" when I just grabbed my MF for a quick shot - or didn't feel like lunging around a flash set up. :-D
mike_DSLR said:
You've got to be kidding me, this is 2006.
  • No pop up flash - don't tell me pros don't what this, I read
these forums, I know!
  • no vertical grip.
  • less than 2 fps - would this still work for a sports camera?
  • 1.8" screen is too small.
  • ISO 400 max? Even P&S go up to 1600 these days and for and for
100th the price.
  • it's too big. I want it to fit in my pocket so I can take it to
parties.
  • it's too heavy - how can I go back packing with this? every once
counts you know.
  • it's too expensive (whatever it costs)
  • I have to buy all new lens.
They are ripping me off! ;-D

I am just waiting for the 1D series whinners to start boo-hooing
about this camera too.

--
Once the Jones' died, there was no longer a compulsion to keep up
with them.
Click to expand...
--
Once the Jones' died, there was no longer a compulsion to keep up with them.
 
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